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Out of the depths of a global credit crisis that showcased an outsized role for the U.S. dollar, Chinese policy makers forged a plan to raise the profile and influence of their own currency. That hasn’t panned out so well, and the coming decade may see yet new headwinds.

A botched mid-2015 move to let the market have a greater role in setting the yuan spooked global investors, eventually pushing Beijing to adopt its current framework. That’s one that welcomes inflows of overseas capital while limiting the outflow of domestic money and promoting the yuan’s role in commerce, if not in finance.

The model has helped limit the yuan’s depreciation even in face of the trade war with the U.S., with foreign ownership of China’s bond market hitting a fresh record in September. And some observers see a potential game changer ahead if a swathe of the world’s energy and commodity trade becomes priced in yuan. But key to the currency’s role in the 2020s will be the Communist Party’s stomach for easing control.

“The false narrative is the idea that a country running current-account surpluses and strict controls over capital outflows could have a truly internationalized currency in the first place,” said George Magnus, research associate at Oxford University’s China Centre. “It wasn’t true when the internationalization debate started several years ago, and it’s no more possible now.”

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Magnus, author of “Red Flags: Why Xi’s China Is in Jeopardy,” argued that China’s financial system “would not be able to cope” with ending capital controls and allowing the currency to float, and that’s not likely to change “for some years to come.”

Read why central banks expect the dollar to reign for another 25 years

Things were quite different when China launched offshore trading in the renminbi, the official name for its currency, with the CNH ticker in August 2010. That came months after it ended a de facto peg to the dollar adopted during the global financial crisis, and amid widespread expectation for the yuan to see sustained appreciation.

Later, an offshore bond market denominated in yuan expanded in Hong Kong, known as Dim Sum securities. Yuan deposits in climbed in the city, and China signed agreements with counterparts setting up direct trading between its currency and others. Hong Kong now supplies around half of the world’s offshore yuan liquidity, the Hong Kong Monetary Authority said in an emailed response to questions.

Hong Kong serves as an ideal testing ground for yuan internationalization measures, said Darryl Chan, an executive director at the HKMA.

A half-decade of progress came to an abrupt end in 2015, when China, battling an economic slowdown and a burst bubble in its stock market, devalued the yuan and overhauled its exchange-rate calculation in a manner that unsettled international investors. An exodus of domestic money saw the nation’s foreign-exchange reserves tumble by about $650 billion, triggering a clampdown on capital outflows that continues today.

Should Beijing go further and insist on oil imports being paid in yuan, that could help lead to a “turbocharging” of the currency in the global financial system, Mansoor Mohi-uddin, a Singapore-based senior macro strategist at NatWest, wrote in a note this month. While it could eventually allow the yuan to challenge the euro as the main alternative to the dollar, the move could also bring its own problems.

“The upward pressure on the exchange rate from capital inflows will not be countered by capital outflows,” if China doesn’t allow mainland investors to buy overseas assets, he said. Over time, that may strengthen the yuan so much that export competitiveness is undermined, he said.

The People’s Bank of China said in its annual yuan internationalization report for 2019 it will continue to remove obstacles for investors to use the currency and open up its financial markets. The central bank didn’t respond to a fax seeking comment for this story.

For now, the yuan’s share in global payments and in central bank reserves remains low, at about 2% or less on both counts. Total foreign holdings of domestic bonds and stocks stood at 3.95 trillion yuan ($566 billion) at latest count -- or the equivalent of Belgium’s and Brazil’s combined holding of U.S. Treasuries.


What’s becoming less negligible is overseas holdings of China’s stocks and bonds. Again, that carries potentially some vulnerability for the country. When foreign ownership was around 2% or less, as was the case just two years back, overseas investors were marginal to price moves in China’s markets -- and thus to policy makers. But as their role grows, the potential for a withdrawal of that money could pose a risk, and influence borrowing costs.

“If foreign ownership gets to 10% or more, China will get concerned about foreign dominance of the market, they won’t want that,” Michael Spencer, chief Asia Pacific economist at Deutsche Bank AG, said in reference to the bond market. The worry would be “we lose monetary-policy autonomy,” he said.

Spencer sees China shifting to become more comfortable with offshore use of the yuan in the case of “some kind of resolution” of the trade war with the U.S. If so, it augurs a fresh set of challenges for policy makers as China’s financial integration proceeds in the 2020s.
 
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Dear Bloomberg. Do you have any idea how long does it took to make US dollar the world undisputed reserve currency ?

It wook 2 world wars to make dollar as world reserve currency and even after 2 world wars it was supposed to be back by gold. It was only in 1971 (after 7 decades) when US dollar become the world reserve currency on its own
 
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The article kind of mentions it but Yuan is more or less useless outside if China as it's not freely tradable.

If you sell something in China (or work in China) and want to send money out.... Oh boy.... You can do it but you need like a million documents and hours at the bank EACH AND EVERY TIME (obviously I'm exaggerating a bit).

Chinese people also have a limit of $50,000 a year they can send out.

The attractiveness of the UDS is that it's freely and easily tradable.

I really wish the USD losses it's place as the world's reserve currency, but I don't see how RMB can do it with such tight government control.

wanna hurt dollar?
start trading oil in yuan, dollar will collapse and western economy along with it.

True, but that is why the US maintains the world largest navy. To prevent counties from trading outside the USD.
(Did you know that the US Navy can defeat every single countries navy on Earth COMBINED)
 
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Yuan can’t be the dominant global reserve currency until it becomes fully convertible under the capital account. Making the yuan fully convertible means the Chinese economy and financial markets will be subject to the full fluctuations of the market including speculations by foreign investors.
This is a completely unacceptable scenario for the CCP. They don’t want to lose control of anything. This is why the Yuan will never be the reserve currency.
 
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Unrealistic and exaggerated claim

Go ahead, take on the US navey.
Seriously
They have 11 aircraft carriers alone.
The next biggest navy had 2-3 (depending on how you count them).
Now if your add up every countries aircraft carrier it is about or less then 11 (to lazy to look up actual numbers right now)

I take no pleasure in saying this but truth is truth. The US Navy can take on and defeat every navy on Earth combined.
 
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Go ahead, take on the US navey.
Seriously
They have 11 aircraft carriers alone.
The next biggest navy had 2-3 (depending on how you count them).
Now if your add up every countries aircraft carrier it is about or less then 11 (to lazy to look up actual numbers right now)

I take no pleasure in saying this but truth is truth. The US Navy can take on and defeat every navy on Earth combined.
Does more aircraft means they will win ? USA has more carriers as they want to perform operations far from mainland but it never means that aircraft carriers will win the war.

Aircraft carriers are one of the most vulnerable assets on earth
 
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Go ahead, take on the US navey.
Seriously
They have 11 aircraft carriers alone.
The next biggest navy had 2-3 (depending on how you count them).
Now if your add up every countries aircraft carrier it is about or less then 11 (to lazy to look up actual numbers right now)

I take no pleasure in saying this but truth is truth. The US Navy can take on and defeat every navy on Earth combined.
Not as simple as you think. Those 11 cariers may not be powerful enough to face China navy. Could be sitting ducks againts advanced assymetrical defence system.
 
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We talk about currency but some turd brings in some conspiracy
 
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Dear Bloomberg. Do you have any idea how long does it took to make US dollar the world undisputed reserve currency ?

It wook 2 world wars to make dollar as world reserve currency and even after 2 world wars it was supposed to be back by gold. It was only in 1971 (after 7 decades) when US dollar become the world reserve currency on its own

Technically, US Dollar boom after WW2, WW1 saw the demise of Gold Standard (and also the British Pound) And it also was not because of the strong US dollars as well, it's because United States is probably the least debt ridden country back then, and almost all reconstruction effort started with the US, hence the world have no choice but to accept US dollar as dominant currency, because you cannot deal with US industry without US dollars and after WW2, the only industrial standard that remain was the US.

wanna hurt dollar?
start trading oil in yuan, dollar will collapse and western economy along with it.

Actually, petrol dollars only account for 5% of US dollar trade. Even if the world trade oil with Yuan, it won't damage US dollars dominance. This is because since the first oil crisis, US government got smart up and diverse their usage.

The number 1 usage of US Dollars is used as the currency of Settlement. Basically every time you convert a currency, every time you import/export an item, every time you use American base financial institution (Visa, Master. American Express, Paypal etc), you help the USD growth.

I really wish the USD losses it's place as the world's reserve currency, but I don't see how RMB can do it with such tight government control.

Many people want that, but in reality, it's really hard to pull this off with any other currency at this point, apart from another World War happening and the world is destroyed by this war. Then and only then we may see another country took the lead.

But if we use the normal way. it would take a super currency to over take the USD, because at this point, US dollar is at around 68-70% usage. Next is Euro, only around 24%, the other currency in this table is neglectable, which by usage alone, Euro would have to expand 2-3 times to make up the difference. And that increase would have put Euro in a great deal of pressure and most likely that expansion would only lead to serious inflation.

The only way the world can replace US dollars is UN form some sort of currency consortium with US support. Which I don't see how this come by. First US won't shoot itself on the foot. Secondly, You would need to merge the world currency into 2 giant zones, US and non US zone. I just don't see how this would happen.
 
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Not as simple as you think. Those 11 cariers may not be powerful enough to face China navy. Could be sitting ducks againts advanced assymetrical defence system.


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You clearly have by idea how aircraft carrier or navies work.

You should really do dinner research on the topic, it's really interesting.

I'll just quickly say, it's not like a single aircraft carrier is floating around and you can just take pot shots at it.

They are surrounded by other ships. Frigets, destroyers, etc etc

Again, look into it, it's really interesting

Does more aircraft means they will win ? USA has more carriers as they want to perform operations far from mainland but it never means that aircraft carriers will win the war.

Aircraft carriers are one of the most vulnerable assets on earth

You really don't know how modern navies work.
1. I said "just their aircraft carrier alone"
Meaning they have so many other assets besides that

2. It's actually the submarines that will defeat other navies. And the us has the most nuclear powered subs in Earth

Watch this, really interesting

 
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You clearly have by idea how aircraft carrier or navies work.

You should really do dinner research on the topic, it's really interesting.

I'll just quickly say, it's not like a single aircraft carrier is floating around and you can just take pot shots at it.

They are surrounded by other ships. Frigets, destroyers, etc etc

Again, look into it, it's really interesting



You really don't know how modern navies work.
1. I said "just their aircraft carrier alone"
Meaning they have so many other assets besides that

2. It's actually the submarines that will defeat other navies. And the us has the most nuclear powered subs in Earth

Watch this, really interesting



How capable the carriers and other surrounding ships shoot down DF21, DF26? or even LARSM from H-6?
 
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