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A/C Sattar Alvi honoured

Doesn't matter. It still should not be paraded around as a war trophy to someone. Y'all will go insane if ever a KIA PAF pilot's coverall be awarded as a trophy to someone. A piss poor decision by PAF and I speak for numerous former PAF personnel with all due to respect to sir Alvi.
No it's not being paraded around.
For over 40 years it was in possession of A/C Sattar Alvi, and he passed it on to the Air chief to put it in the PAF museum. As for high morals, we all saw how Modi was presented and he received from Sheikh Haseena, 1971 war memorabilia.
 
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No it's not being paraded around.
For over 40 years it was in possession of A/C Sattar Alvi, and he passed it on to the Air chief to put it in the PAF museum. As for high morals, we all saw how Modi was presented and he received from Sheikh Haseena, 1971 war memorabilia.
My good man....no need to throw in comparisons with Modi and the 1971 memorabilia. If one does something stupid doesn't mean you compare to see who has been a bigger stupid. No need to drag Indians into this. Cheers !!!
 
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Good work by PAF.

Nice addition to its museum
 
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Doesn't matter. It still should not be paraded around as a war trophy to someone. Y'all will go insane if ever a KIA PAF pilot's coverall be awarded as a trophy to someone. A piss poor decision by PAF and I speak for numerous former PAF personnel with all due to respect to sir Alvi.

Hi,

Thank you---.

What if Lutz was my brother---I would want his clothing / uniform back.
 
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Well, it was presented to the PAF pilot by the Syrian Government who obviously recovered it from the Mirage wreckage.

Dear Sir, according to my knowledge, the Israeli pilot ejected very late though his parachute deployed but he injured due to splinters. Later he was recovered by Syrian troops and hospitalized. He died later in hospital. According to some private source, Mr Sattar met him in hospital upon deceased pilot wish before his death.
 
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Regardless it should be returned to the fighter pilot's family.
Israel,US,UK etc all have such gear n overalls of enemy combatants.

Hi,

Thank you---.

What if Lutz was my brother---I would want his clothing / uniform back.

Pak doesn’t recognise Israel.

Israel doesn’t recognise Capt M Lutz.

Pakistan cant hand over the overalls to unknown Israeli citizens... Specially when the overalls were presented to Cmdr Alvi by Syrian Govt.
 
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Israel,US,UK etc all have such gear n overalls of enemy combatants.



Pak doesn’t recognise Israel.

Israel doesn’t recognise Capt M Lutz.

Pakistan cant hand over the overalls to unknown Israeli citizens... Specially when the overalls were presented to Cmdr Alvi by Syrian Govt.
AFAIK they recognized some of their fallen pilots but why not capt lutz?
 
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Israel will sell arms to the Indians and even train them but they don't have any hostile intent towards Pakistan.
Besides, during Red Flag they pretty much got an idea what we are made of.
I vehemently disagree with this notion. This notion allows us to lower our guard and our histroy tells us what that means from the betrayal in Khandaq to hundreds of other instancesincluding opening of the gates for the forces of Tartars in Baghdad . The best one can say is that the State of Israel has no announced hostile intent towards the state of Pakistan. Pakistan and Turkey bave been the two frontline states in the muslim world capable of stopping the Zionist hagemony. The Turkish army is somewhat compromised because of the induction of large number of Turmish jews in the rank and file of the army. This may have had something to do in the rebellion against Erdogan. However note that by giving the Turks access to western conventional weapons they have successfully stopped the Turks from going Nuclear. This means that there is a tangible defence against the Turkish onslaught if ever it were to come.Pakistan on the other hand is Nuclear and has openly threatened Israel in case of attack against Pakistani interests. This is an Intolerable situation from the Israeli perspective. They will never come on and attack you from the front but rest assured they are involved in fomenting conspiracies against you and the muslim world to realize their dream of Greater Israel. As to the state of muslims under Israeli world dominence please refer to the state of the people of Palestine as an example.
Please understand that my post is not against the Jewish people some of whom I have great respect for and have worked side by side with. My problem is with the Zionist state of Israel which is not a representative of the jewish people and indeed not all Zionists ars Israelis either.
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Sir G, in those days Pakistan was not ruled by thieves/liars/burglars neither the leaders were holding Iqamas and dual nationalities. Indeed those were the golden days. In-Shaa-Allah those days will be back. The state is on the rise, thieves and their accomplices will not find a place in Pakistan.
No the circumstances were different. They were involved in a clandestine undeclared war which Pakistan could have denied and in many ways our defence was that this is the act of individuals. As to thieves if you think Ayub was not a liar and a thief then you need to read history again.
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Even more of a reason to return the uniform to the family of deceased.
I agree. We need to be a bit more careful in our approach.While AC Sattar Alvi needs to be celebrated as a very capable son of the soil, we need to show magnanimity in our victory and an open offer to return these overalls would have been a far more courteous gesture than parading it around. We dont need an overall to show our victory and the greatness of the man himself.
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Really shocking to see the clothes of a DEAD soldier being bandied about like it's a trophy or something!!!
the tragedy is that Israeli state refuses to acknowledge the existence of such pilot and refuse to admit if any such incident happened.
PAF is not disrespecting the Israeli pilot.so , no matter how odd or shocking it looks like, Pakistan shows it off as a proof and a pride.

Hi,

The coverall / dress should be returned to the Pilot's family.
has his family made such request yet? if anyone has done so then I think we can support them y starting a social media campaign. its all in the spirit of humanity and goodwill gesture and I agree with your sentiments
 
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Israel will sell arms to the Indians and even train them but they don't have any hostile intent towards Pakistan.
Besides, during Red Flag they pretty much got an idea what we are made of.
I vehemently disagree with this notion. This notion allows us to lower our guard and our histroy tells us what that means from the betrayal in Khandaq ....

Windy was being sarcastic...
 
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