A Bhutaness Point of view on Sino-India Donglang (Doklam) Stand-Off

[AUSTERLITZ]

All they will have from USA is super expensive weapon and lip service. How long it will take India to understand it?

How long will it take for you to understand we dont NEED USA to defend ourselves ?We are fully prepared to deal with any chinese invasion.We are dug in with veteran troops,our navy can blockade your oil,our airforce can dominate your handicapped ones on the high altitude tibet plateau.You can't use most of your tanks due to terrain and much of your airforce due to limited number of bases.China has 3-4 major road/rail links into tibet,we take those out with standoff weapons and whole chinese army in tibet will starve.We have 11 mountain divisions ,chinese have only 3 acclimatized brigades for high altitude combat.We occupy the high ground with our artillery dominating the region and sited on the reverse slope.We may not be capable of offensive action into tibet right now,but defensively it is our mountain veterans who will teach the PLA rookies a 'lesson' if they try anything. USA breathing down its neck over north korea,China better get its priorities clear.

We don't need USA to defend ourselves at all.We have 200-300k troops in the NE.An army over 1.2 million strong,another million strong territorial army and hundreds of thousands of paramilitary forces.We are fighting close to our homeland,you are waay farway from your core.We have the veteran army with mountain specialists.An army need 8-9:1 superiority against a defender in mountain conditions,and we actually outnumber you on the border.Sure you can mobilize faster,but those troops will not be acclimatized and unfit for combat and also more more troops you bring in the worse your supply situation once war begins and your main roads get blown up.

Paper strength means nothing,they don't reflect the situation on the ground.

 

[Han Patriot]

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/dipl...nd-china-can-be-resolved-diplomatically-india

Border stand-off with China can be resolved diplomatically, India says

LOL, somebody chickened out!

 

[xunzi]

How long will it take for you to understand we dont NEED USA to defend ourselves ?We are fully prepared to deal with any chinese invasion.We are dug in with veteran troops,our navy can blockade your oil,our airforce can dominate your handicapped ones on the high altitude tibet plateau.You can't use most of your tanks due to terrain and much of your airforce due to limited number of bases.China has 3-4 major road/rail links into tibet,we take those out with standoff weapons and whole chinese army in tibet will starve.We have 11 mountain divisions ,chinese have only 3 acclimatized brigades for high altitude combat.We occupy the high ground with our artillery dominating the region and sited on the reverse slope.We may not be capable of offensive action into tibet right now,but defensively it is our mountain veterans who will teach the PLA rookies a 'lesson' if they try anything.With 260% debt-gdp ratio-highest in the world and USA breathing down its neck over north korea,China better get its priorities clear.

We don't need USA to defend ourselves at all.We have 200-300k troops in the NE.An army over 1.2 million strong,another million strong territorial army and hundreds of thousands of paramilitary forces.We are fighting close to our homeland,you are waay farway from your core.We have the veteran army with mountain specialists.An army need 8-9:1 superiority against a defender in mountain conditions,and we actually outnumber you on the border.Sure you can mobilize faster,but those troops will not be acclimatized and unfit for combat and also more more troops you bring in the worse your supply situation once war begins and your main roads get blown up.

Paper strength means nothing,they don't reflect the situation on the ground.

He was right. The biggest threat you can pose to us is by licking the US boot for more weaponry and support. If the US/Russia stand by, I'm confident your 3rd rate pilot whose aircraft kept gone missing or your naval personnel who couldn't kept a submarine float at dock will be defeated by quickly.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/dipl...nd-china-can-be-resolved-diplomatically-india

Border stand-off with China can be resolved diplomatically, India says

LOL, somebody chickened out!

Lol,this is not chickening out.This is called a mature response unlike chinese fanboy rants.We are always prepared for a diplomatic solution,we welcome it.But on one point there will be no concession - there will be no road.On this condition the chinese can choose diplomacy or war.Decision is theirs.

 

[Han Patriot]

Lol,this is not chickening out.This is called a mature response unlike chinese fanboy rants.We are always prepared for a diplomatic solution,we welcome it.But on one point there will be no concession - there will be no road.On this condition the chinese can choose diplomacy or war.Decision is theirs.

Sure, sure, that's what all cowards say.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

He was right. The biggest threat you can pose to us is by licking the US boot for more weaponry and support. If the US/Russia stand by, I'm confident your 3rd rate pilot whose aircraft kept gone missing or your naval personnel who couldn't kept a submarine float at dock will be defeated by quickly.

Try and answer my points on what you can actually do rather than ranting.WE hardly use much US gear,check our army before spreading false information.Our '3rd rate' pilots fly far more hours than yours,exercise with far more quality air forces than yours.You still use the pathetic comissar like political officer system.

Sure, sure, that's what all cowards say.

We are in ' your' territory as per you,and you can't do anything to remove us.Just issuing warnings and crying like a whining baby?So who is the coward here?
Chinese paper dragon exposed.

 

[xunzi]

Lol,this is not chickening out.This is called a mature response unlike chinese fanboy rants.We are always prepared for a diplomatic solution,we welcome it.But on one point there will be no concession - there will be no road.On this condition the chinese can choose diplomacy or war.Decision is theirs.

If you start this war, we will liberate Bhutan, Nepal, and Sikkim under your coercive foreign policy against these small neighboring states.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

If you start this war, we will liberate Bhutan, Nepal, and Sikkim under your coercive foreign policy against these small neighboring states.

We will not start any war.But we will not allow you to build any road.Simple as that.After that China can choose diplomacy or war.From our end we always offer diplomatic solution,but will never allow a road targeting our vulnerable area.If u want war,you will get one.Your army is incapable of doing anything.We will smash the PLA rookies with our mountain veterans if they try any misadventure.Your handicapped airforce will fail and ur economy with enormous debt -GDP ratio will crash as we sink your tankers in the IOR.You army will starve in Tibet with your roads gone.Your government knows these facts ,thats why they only talk ,they know they are impotent.

 

[Han Patriot]

We are in ' your' territory as per you,and you can't do anything to remove us.Just issuing warnings and crying like a whining baby?So who is the coward here?
Chinese paper dragon exposed.

Someone told me they were gonna stay there and occupy it to show Chinese some balls, look who is chickening out now after some threat of war. LOL. Cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck....OO man, I know you guys so well.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

Someone call me they are gonna stay there and occupy it to show Chinese some balls, look who is chickening out now after some threat of war. LOL. Cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck....OO man, I know you guys so well.

We have not chickened out at all,we are always ready for diplomacy.But there will be no road.Simple as that.Its your government that went before the world and cried like a little bitch showing pictures of indian army with bulldozers in what you call' your' land.

 

[xunzi]

Try and answer my points on what you can actually do rather than ranting.WE hardly use much US gear,check our army before spreading false information.Our '3rd rate' pilots fly far more hours than yours,exercise with far more quality air forces than yours.You still use the pathetic comissar like political officer system.

You have a shortage of aircraft and certified pilot so you are not fooling anyone here. In fact, I forgot which article but it stated that Indian aircraft is good enough to sustain just 2 weeks of war. As far as fly per hour, US and China are the leaders in this area due to our abundant of modern aircraft induce per year.

We will not start any war.But we will not allow you to build any road.Simple as that.After that China can choose diplomacy or war.From our end we always offer diplomatic solution,but will never allow a road targeting our vulnerable area.If u want war,you will get one.Your army is incapable of doing anything.We will smash the PLA rookies with our mountain veterans if they try any misadventure.Your handicapped airforce will fail and ur economy with enormous debt -GDP ratio will crash as we sink your tankers in the IOR.You army will starve in Tibet with your roads gone.Your government knows these facts ,thats why they only talk ,they know they are impotent.

That road has nothing to do with your territorial integrity. It is between China-Bhutan. Get that fact straight.

Like we said, you provoke us again, we will spank you like in 1962.

 

[Han Patriot]

You have a shortage of aircraft and certified pilot so you are not fooling anyone here. In fact, I forgot which article but it stated that Indian aircraft is good enough to sustain just 2 weeks of war. As far as fly per hour, US and China are the leaders in this area due to our abundant of modern aircraft induce per year.


That road has nothing to do with your territorial integrity. It is between China-Bhutan. Get that fact straight.

Like we said, you provoke us again, we will spank you like in 1962.

Bro, the road will continue as always, India protest, we stop, we start, they protest, in the end it will be built. This crisis was created on the same day Modi was in US. It was meant to poke Modi. The Indians thought it will just be like usual, flag meeting, complain, stop, start, stop start. Then suddenly China started creating drama.

 

[xunzi]

Please ..don't embarass yourselves.We have shortage in squadron strength,true.But we still have over 110 upgraded mig-29s and mirage-2000s and 250 sukhoi-30MKIs..leave alone the rest.
First of all you can only employ 30-40% of your airforce at most from the bases at Tibet and chengdu ,and they will be congested.
2nd ,all your main fighters ,except perhaps the J-11D lack OBOGs and will fly handicapped with limited sortie time,endurance,payload and performance.All our main fighters Su-30MKI,mirage-2000 and Mig-29s have OBOGs and will outclass yours.
3rd,our pilots have more flight hours than yours,especially the sukhoi pilots.Train with far more top quality airforces and have actual experience of high altitude aerial warfare in Kargil.
4rth,we have access to far better aerial reconaissance capability in the form of the Israeli Reccelite SAR pod on our sukhois which is used worldwide and unmatched by any equivalent except US products like DB-110.
5th,your jets will be taking off from the flat tibet plateau with little terrain cover and thus easily visible on our frontier radar systems.Our jets can operate from the hinterland behind mountainous cover and thus use terrain masking to effectively surprise your forces.We can also flank you from our airbases in Kashmir and Uttarakhand/himachal.
6th,we can operate on our side under the cover of our best AWACS -the phalcon.Whereas your jet KJ-2000 awacs can't operate at all from tibetan airbases due to altitude limitations.That is why you have had to substitute it with propeller driven ZDK-03 in tibet.Not only is it less capable than phalcon in electronic capability,its also based on a joke 1950s design propeller plane which will be a sitting duck in a high threat conventional environment.

Our Sukhoi pilots fly 200-250 hrs a year.This was confirmed by american pilots themselves during exercises.IAF motto is 'better to lose pilots in peacetime than in war'.Our war reserves were recently replenished and brought up to strength by the new government also.Your best pilots fly 150-180 hrs .We exercise with the best -USAF,french,british etc,you are isolated..out of touch with latest developments.

I don't feel the need to boast about our airforce but rest assure we are going expose your airforce in any type of war.

 

[Han Patriot]

We have not chickened out at all,we are always ready for diplomacy.But there will be no road.Simple as that.Its your government that went before the world and cried like a little bitch showing pictures of indian army with bulldozers in what you call' your' land.

Bye bye, thanks for stopping by and making a fool out of yourselves.

 

[xunzi]

Bro, the road will continue as always, India protest, we stop, we start, they protest, in the end it will be built. This crisis was created on the same day Modi was in US. It was meant to poke Modi. The Indians thought it will just be like usual, flag meeting, complain, stop, start, stop start. Then suddenly China started creating drama.

Then we shall see if the road will be built or not. That test will show the world who got the bigger ball.