9/11 Reality Check

[Arsalan mehmud]

Sir,

That is a moot point-----.

Whole 9/11 is moot point.. and that is not raised by us but by US citizens....

 

[Ajit Kumar]

Osama never accepted that he was responsible for 9/11.

 

[MastanKhan]

Whole 9/11 is moot point.. and that is not raised by us but by US citizens....

Hi,

Welcome to the forum----after 5 million dead muslims---big deal if the americans declare it a moot point.

And what difference does it make if the americans declare it a moot point----. I don't know of any American who has declared it a moot point.

 

[haviZsultan]

On this type of thread we will always have those who are more loyal to America than Pakistan even. No surprise America's various genocides and mistreatment of Iraqis and Afghans aren't even counted.

 

[Arsalan mehmud]

Hi,

Welcome to the forum----after 5 million dead muslims---big deal if the americans declare it a moot point.

And what difference does it make if the americans declare it a moot point----. I don't know of any American who has declared it a moot point.

Sharing you some link....
World Trade Center Building 7 Demolished on 9/11? - Home

 

[MastanKhan]

Sharing you some link....
World Trade Center Building 7 Demolished on 9/11? - Home

Sir,

You Pakistani kids are totally blind-----you guys are in a shi-thole because you kids have no clue what to do in a crisis and how to take advantage of the situation---nobody teaches you anything---and you don't want to listen to anyone---.


What difference does it make if all these guys state that the U S is involved---the issue here is not the involvement of the U S----the issue here is how you are going to save your ar-se from getting into the frying pan.

If you as a nation had any brains and any common sense and understood the impact of a massive Christian army invading a muslim country----then you would have gone into Afghanistan and executed Osama Bin Laden, Mohammad Azam and the Egyptian doctor----and presented their dead bodies to the americans----.

But no---you stayed thoughtless---you acted brainless---you got caught in the battle of your own lack of intellect----resulting in a million and a half dead afghans----80000 dead Pakistanis----a 100 billion loss in trade and business----.

A swift action by the Pakistani forces would have taken the reason out of the U S invasion---even before the world joined hands to agree on it----.

That would have stopped the wheels that were being set in motion for the invasion of the muslim states---.

Now---you remember when your younger brother was stabbed in the stomach and was lying on the driveway of your house----why did you pick him up---put him in your car and rushed to the hospital. Why did you not let him bleed to death over there and started looking at those who conspired to attack him?

The example is right in front of your face---. When it comes to protecting and doing thing =s for your family---you act different---but when it comes to the national interest---you kids don't give a rat's ar-se.

 

[Point_4590]

I even heard tha bagdadi is a jew named David.

 

[Arsalan mehmud]

Sir,

You Pakistani kids are totally blind-----you guys are in a shi-thole because you kids have no clue what to do in a crisis and how to take advantage of the situation---nobody teaches you anything---and you don't want to listen to anyone---.


What difference does it make if all these guys state that the U S is involved---the issue here is not the involvement of the U S----the issue here is how you are going to save your ar-se from getting into the frying pan.

If you as a nation had any brains and any common sense and understood the impact of a massive Christian army invading a muslim country----then you would have gone into Afghanistan and executed Osama Bin Laden, Mohammad Azam and the Egyptian doctor----and presented their dead bodies to the americans----.

But no---you stayed thoughtless---you acted brainless---you got caught in the battle of your own lack of intellect----resulting in a million and a half dead afghans----80000 dead Pakistanis----a 100 billion loss in trade and business----.

A swift action by the Pakistani forces would have taken the reason out of the U S invasion---even before the world joined hands to agree on it----.

That would have stopped the wheels that were being set in motion for the invasion of the muslim states---.

Now---you remember when your younger brother was stabbed in the stomach and was lying on the driveway of your house----why did you pick him up---put him in your car and rushed to the hospital. Why did you not let him bleed to death over there and started looking at those who conspired to attack him?

The example is right in front of your face---. When it comes to protecting and doing thing =s for your family---you act different---but when it comes to the national interest---you kids don't give a rat's ar-se.

Wait I am not discussing what action to be taken after 9/11....but what happened in 9/11, how it was done, what is their motive?
At very first instant after 9/11 people guessed that it was work of OSAMA and almost whole world believe that but later it diverted from actual position...
There are thousand of evidence available openly that points that it was US govt behind such attack.
It is not wise to just go to Afghanistan kill OSAMA and handover to US. and suppose we do that to curb their intention than CIA, MOSSAD and RAW too ready to deal with that situation. In that case they will join terrorist organisation such as TTP, ISIS and wage a war against Pakistan.
We youngster not ruling Pakistan but old man like you think to solve the situation in a very old trick.
Pakistan is not ready to deal with any threat as long as our society is uneducated. People should have big brain to understand what's going around than only we can deal with it.

 

[MastanKhan]

Wait I am not discussing what action to be taken after 9/11....but what happened in 9/11, how it was done, what is their motive?
At very first instant after 9/11 people guessed that it was work of OSAMA and almost whole world believe that but later it diverted from actual position...
There are thousand of evidence available openly that points that it was US govt behind such attack.
It is not wise to just go to Afghanistan kill OSAMA and handover to US. and suppose we do that to curb their intention than CIA, MOSSAD and RAW too ready to deal with that situation. In that case they will join terrorist organisation such as TTP, ISIS and wage a war against Pakistan.
We youngster not ruling Pakistan but old man like you think to solve the situation in a very old trick.
Pakistan is not ready to deal with any threat as long as our society is uneducated. People should have big brain to understand what's going around than only we can deal with it.

Hi,

As per the reports---the intent of Osama was as much as saying yes to 20 different activities going on---. A group of men came to see him and stated that we can do this----he said yes----it was one of the many operations-----this was also thrown up in the air----if it hits it is good.re the plane hits the building and is still standing----

They did not expect the building to fall----not because of the technical knowledge---but because of the BRUCE WILLIS movie---where the plae hits the building which is still standing.

Each of the aircraft that hit the building were over a 100000 lbs each---travelling at approximately 600 mph----that is a force of 60000000 ft/lbs---is that correct.

Now you children need to learn something new----. You see helicopters landing on the top of the buildings----each of the building is rated for the WEIGT CAPACITY of a helicopter----.

The hospital building here have a flat top where a chopper can land---a light weight chopper----but the president's Marine 1 won't be able to----actually it will----but there is hardly any building in the whole of the U S rated to take on that heavy chopper.

So---what would happen to the building---it would crash under that weight---.

Mosaad had no interest in carrying out the mission---CIA dare not do it----no agency would take it upon itself to take this action.

But in the muslim world---it was very well known that planes will strike the buildings.

You young kids don't understand that how Bill Clinton and Mrs Clinton scr-ewed up the cia and fbi and other agencies when they came into power----. Cold war was done----but old dogs were saying that new wars are coming up with different agendas---. Mrs Clinton---the iron lady did not want to hear that----and so did Bill---they wanted old operators OUT and new ones brought in----those who could sing---everything is well and good----the world is beautiful---no harm shall ever come our way.

So---that is what happened with the agencies in the U S----all the old hands were gone---a new and younger generation came in---that was only interested in their paychecks and promotions---. They just simply did not want to believe that such a thing could happen---it was also a part of the power struggle---a power juxtapositioning---that what was visible to the outside world drew a blank from these young warriors of the dark worlds---.

This was a toatally a fck up of cia and fbi and nsa and everyone else----nobody wanted to believe the other---nobody wanted to give information to the other----too much inter agency rivalry----the gate was left open----and the whole of the herd escaped thru----actually came thru----.

These people---specially the white people who talk about this conspiracy theory about cia and mossad and fbi---have a hidden agenda----to keep the muslims hooked up to the conspiracy theory---let the fools be stuck with this stupid idea---let them dig their own graves----they are just giving you the shovel to keep on digging.

Off course the chatter was there----people were moving around----but no one in charge in the lead wanted to believe it----because they were incompetent nincompoops who got promoted during Clinton's regime---otherwise they did not have a pot to pi-ss in.

So---please get out of this mindset of conspiracy theories and accept it as it is------because it would be easier to fix the problems rather than pointing them in vague directions where the signal gets lost in translation.

 

[Tricktor]

It's interesting that MANY celebrities, actors, hollywood writers, rockstars and rappers also believe 9/11 is an inside job.

The reality is, if you have no dog in the fight, if you are open minded, of course you will either be suspicious or believe it was obviously an orchestrated inside job.

Norad somehow being offline for tests, and the manner of the towers falling both say this was an American act. And this is believed my physics and architecture professors all over America and Europe.

Remember, all these 9/11 evidence of an inside job is all written by Western journalists, scientists, and former government workers. It's America and Europe itself that has uncovered this, showing you how much truth there is behind it. Unfortunately, no countries were willing to challenge America, since all the Western countries politicians were all cheering when 9/11 happened.

 

[gambit]

It's interesting that MANY celebrities, actors, hollywood writers, rockstars and rappers also believe 9/11 is an inside job.

The fact that they are actors, fiction writers, and musicians should be enough to disqualify them from you believing in what they say about 9/11.

Now...If they decide to use their statuses as actors, fiction writers, and musicians to opine on Islam, would you accord them the same credibility level ?

Norad somehow being offline for tests,...

The fact that you brought up NORAD tells me you have not done proper research.

9/11 was in internal airspace, which falls under the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), which is a civilian organization. NORAD is a military organization and have no legal authority over internal US airspace. So even if NORAD was 'offline' as you ridiculously put it, it would not have mattered one bit.

 

[Arsalan mehmud]

Hi,

As per the reports---the intent of Osama was as much as saying yes to 20 different activities going on---. A group of men came to see him and stated that we can do this----he said yes----it was one of the many operations-----this was also thrown up in the air----if it hits it is good.re the plane hits the building and is still standing----

They did not expect the building to fall----not because of the technical knowledge---but because of the BRUCE WILLIS movie---where the plae hits the building which is still standing.

Each of the aircraft that hit the building were over a 100000 lbs each---travelling at approximately 600 mph----that is a force of 60000000 ft/lbs---is that correct.

Now you children need to learn something new----. You see helicopters landing on the top of the buildings----each of the building is rated for the WEIGT CAPACITY of a helicopter----.

The hospital building here have a flat top where a chopper can land---a light weight chopper----but the president's Marine 1 won't be able to----actually it will----but there is hardly any building in the whole of the U S rated to take on that heavy chopper.

So---what would happen to the building---it would crash under that weight---.

Mosaad had no interest in carrying out the mission---CIA dare not do it----no agency would take it upon itself to take this action.

But in the muslim world---it was very well known that planes will strike the buildings.

You young kids don't understand that how Bill Clinton and Mrs Clinton scr-ewed up the cia and fbi and other agencies when they came into power----. Cold war was done----but old dogs were saying that new wars are coming up with different agendas---. Mrs Clinton---the iron lady did not want to hear that----and so did Bill---they wanted old operators OUT and new ones brought in----those who could sing---everything is well and good----the world is beautiful---no harm shall ever come our way.

So---that is what happened with the agencies in the U S----all the old hands were gone---a new and younger generation came in---that was only interested in their paychecks and promotions---. They just simply did not want to believe that such a thing could happen---it was also a part of the power struggle---a power juxtapositioning---that what was visible to the outside world drew a blank from these young warriors of the dark worlds---.

This was a toatally a fck up of cia and fbi and nsa and everyone else----nobody wanted to believe the other---nobody wanted to give information to the other----too much inter agency rivalry----the gate was left open----and the whole of the herd escaped thru----actually came thru----.

These people---specially the white people who talk about this conspiracy theory about cia and mossad and fbi---have a hidden agenda----to keep the muslims hooked up to the conspiracy theory---let the fools be stuck with this stupid idea---let them dig their own graves----they are just giving you the shovel to keep on digging.

Off course the chatter was there----people were moving around----but no one in charge in the lead wanted to believe it----because they were incompetent nincompoops who got promoted during Clinton's regime---otherwise they did not have a pot to pi-ss in.

So---please get out of this mindset of conspiracy theories and accept it as it is------because it would be easier to fix the problems rather than pointing them in vague directions where the signal gets lost in translation.

Great... You mean to say just believe blindly whatever US+Israel says and obey them too.. we are just slaves..We don't have brain...or no need to use it...

 

[MastanKhan]

Great... You mean to say just believe blindly whatever US+Israel says and obey them too.. we are just slaves..We don't have brain...or no need to use it...

Sir,

What can be related to incompetence and stupidity must not be considered a conspiracy---.


But the bottom line over here is what difference does it make to you or any pakistani who did 9/11----. The question is---what pre-emptive measures did you take to lessen the effects of this action----.

All you kids are doing is blame blame and blame---media is blaming---fathers and mothers are blaming---uncles and aunts--grand fathers and grandmothers---children and adults---all are blaming the U S----.

You guys just talked and talked---but did npthing to counter it---. You guys did not go into afghaistan and kill Osama and Zawahiri and brought their dead bodies to the U S embassy in Islamabad and said---here are you murderers---now get lost---.

But all you guys were doing was bitching and moaning and crying---a grand national pastime----.

You kids still donot have the ability to think----a million and a half afghans are dead just because you are arguing about the intricacies of the act----like Khwarzam Shah----is the persona of Qura'an a male or is it a female----the famous discussion in the mosques----and then even in south india----when the british forces and Hyderabad forces are coming to fight and the battle in the mosques of the Islamic states was if the actual direction of Ka'aba was 10 degrees right or was it 10 degrees to the left of the chosen spot---.

When you muslims face your God one day---and he will ask you guys---what did you do to save the afghans from this monstrosity----what are you guys going to say----? That cia did it nsa and mossad and fbi did it and we were having discussions to the fact----.

 

[Arsalan mehmud]

Sir,

What can be related to incompetence and stupidity must not be considered a conspiracy---.


But the bottom line over here is what difference does it make to you or any pakistani who did 9/11----. The question is---what pre-emptive measures did you take to lessen the effects of this action----.

All you kids are doing is blame blame and blame---media is blaming---fathers and mothers are blaming---uncles and aunts--grand fathers and grandmothers---children and adults---all are blaming the U S----.

You guys just talked and talked---but did npthing to counter it---. You guys did not go into afghaistan and kill Osama and Zawahiri and brought their dead bodies to the U S embassy in Islamabad and said---here are you murderers---now get lost---.

But all you guys were doing was bitching and moaning and crying---a grand national pastime----.

You kids still donot have the ability to think----a million and a half afghans are dead just because you are arguing about the intricacies of the act----like Khwarzam Shah----is the persona of Qura'an a male or is it a female----the famous discussion in the mosques----and then even in south india----when the british forces and Hyderabad forces are coming to fight and the battle in the mosques of the Islamic states was if the actual direction of Ka'aba was 10 degrees right or was it 10 degrees to the left of the chosen spot---.

When you muslims face your God one day---and he will ask you guys---what did you do to save the afghans from this monstrosity----what are you guys going to say----? That cia did it nsa and mossad and fbi did it and we were having discussions to the fact----.

Now its time to have deep discussion on it...
Just let me know if US is so innocent and was so desperate to kill all al-quida than why they supplied arms to same al-quida to Libya and Syria...
We are not brainless when we see baghdadi captured by US and after 7 months he become leader of ISIS and creating havoc in Iraq and Syria thus representing just opposite what Islam teaches us.
There is enough of proof who created al-quida and ISIS.
It is "war on oil" not "war on terror"...
My way is different to tackle..I already mentioned earlier that the very first way to have knowledge what has happened..
Without that no one can tackle any misadventure...
If in any case we handed over osama from afghanistan than in that case we were fighting TTP as well as Afghanistan Taliban with afghan govt and India RAW+ Mossad + CIA.
TTP is the one who killed 80000 pakistani with the help of afghan intelligence + RAW+MOSSAD

 

[MastanKhan]

My way is different to tackle..I already mentioned earlier that the very first way to have knowledge what has happened..
Without that no one can tackle any misadventure...
If in any case we handed over osama from afghanistan than in that case we were fighting TTP as well as Afghanistan Taliban with afghan govt and India RAW+ Mossad + CIA.
TTP is the one who killed 80000 pakistani with the help of afghan intelligence + RAW+MOSSAD

Hi,

When you say you want to know----you mean to say that you are in equal strength to tackle the problem----and there lies one of the problems---.

Te problem was that you guys thought that the U S does not have the ballz to strike---you thought they would fizzle out like Bill Clinton did or before Sr Bush did or Reagan did---.

You guys thought that the U S does not give a sh-it about these things----but you forgot to look at the management cast---who the role players were and what they were thinking.

Thinking is for those who have al the time in the world----this was the tie to react----and even after 14 years---you guys are still thinking----.

See----once you get drunk and get into a car and start driving----the multiplier effect of death destruction and mayhem has gone up by an untold margin---it depends on if you come across a single pedestrian---or you get on the freeway from the wrong side or if the you hit a buss full of travelers----it is out of your control till the drunk driver comes to a full stop.

The support of al Qaeda or Baghdadi---is all after the fact---it is like crying after the herd has run out of the corral.

People forget that the u s military is the most destructive and murdering machine on the planet---death destruction mayhem rape loot plunder drugs crimes they all come with the package---.

The only way to control them is to keep them away from your soil---and not to get indulged into the education of learning the reason---.

You Pakistanis are the major cause of all the deaths that have happened in Afghanistan and middle east---. You had the opportunity to stop this menace from getting into your lands----and you guys did not give a sh-it about it---and still you guys are clueless what to do----.

There was a 1/4 million Christian army coming to invade a muslim land---hunting for an OUTCAST----and you guys wanted to indulge into the intricacies and delicacies of the occurance---.