9-11 attack was also funded from India!!!

[SarthakGanguly]

C'mon man.. I'm also a Sangh member, but I abhor some of the stupid actions of Sangh affiliates like Sri Ram Sene etc. The aim should be to mobilize and make a sensible and highly active Sangh that does not provoke but react strongly to anything against national interests and Indian public.

A lot of change in the public image and an extensive support base can be ensured by simply getting rid of fringe elements. Both you and I know this stuff. If the Sangh does clean up it's act then there is no basis for criticism.

The Sangh has always been full of idiots. Like Indian society in general. But most of the 'controversial' statements they make - make sense. Also I am realistic.

But Sri Ram Sene is not a part of the Sangh.

None of these above statements imply that jamahir is anything but a failed jihadist.

I don't mean to offend him by this term. I can equally consider him as a Green book Islamist. Or anything. But the point remains.

 

[Whazzup]

its not any issue.

Calling India as motherland or fatherland .

We personify our country as our mother "Bharat Mata" hence calling it our motherland make more sense.

The Sangh has always been full of idiots. Like Indian society in general. But most of the 'controversial' statements they make - make sense. Also I am realistic.

I personnely don't like them teaching children about the idea of Akhand Bharat , I mean who wants Pakistan to be part of India now?

 

[Hindustani78]

We personify our country as our mother "Bharat Mata" hence calling it our motherland make more sense.

I do understand what you are saying and dont even deny this.

I think for ancient Indian tribes when immigration took place beyond the Sapta Sindhu . Sapta Sindhu land till Indian ocean was always motherland but the neighbouring lands were fatherland.

Ancient India was very big and we use to have vast territory .

Puskalavati, Takshasila (Taxila) and Purushapura , Gandhara kingdom. Takshasila was founded by Raghava Rama's brother Bharata


Yavana was the name of one of the sons of Maharaja Yayati who was given the part of the world known as Turkey to rule. Therefore the Turks are Yavanas due to being descendants of Maharaja Yavana. (Srimad Bhagavatam 2.4.1

 

[SarthakGanguly]

I mean who wants Pakistan to be part of India now?

Well, they are not taught to try to be one honestly. In fact except for the old Guard, no new Sangh member will even want a single village of Pakistan.

 

[tsinga]

Yes, let us celebrate Jamahir because he is only a Partial hypocrite and at least pretends not to be a islamist. After all he is a "muslim" and we all know how hard it is for "muslims" to be free of hypocrisy.

So I guess we need to have double standards when it come to Hindus and muslims. ........ have I got it correct so far ?

No double standards required. I called him for what I think he is. An Islamist but not a jihadi.

You think they do so because they are Bigots or is there something more to it ?

A combination of a lot of factors. But its being done by Indian media very deliberately.

You are high.

1. True. He does not abuse verbally. But neither do I. But I am much more a pain in the proverbial rear. Profanities mean nothing online.

2. Logic and jamahir are poles apart. Like matter and anti matter. I have NEVER seen him argue on logic. Always on the lack of logic.

3. He does not paint Hinduism as violent as Islam. He paints Hinduism as violent and backward while projecting Islam as progressive and socialist.

4. I agree that he is unique. An unique jihadi with shades of socialism. But still an Islamist fanatic.

5. He hates dogs. That singularly should disqualify him from belonging to the human race.

Agree some, disagree some.

However, I always find your posts worth reading. Carry on the good work

 

[jamahir]

Lol

Let's list down all muslim terrorist groups according to your logic then. .

Please guess the thousands of...

Takfiri
Salafi
Wahaabi
Hanafi
Deobandi
Jamaati
Hanbali
Maliki
Ikhwani
Etc etc..groups

who have extremist, separatist, islamist views.

P. S. Please add up any more extremist islamic schools of thought to the list.

let us simplify.

there are four sunni "schools of thought" ( mazhaib ) and one shia, the sunni ones to be seen in historical context mainly... the sunni ones are hanafi, shafi, maliki, hanbali and the shia one is called jaafri/jafri... now, i, born into sunni background, never cared to learn of the schools because they are artificial and are the ideas of some people and their followers who i may not agree with... true islam doesn't have sectarianism... even years ago i used to say "i am not sunni, i am not shia, i am just a muslim" ( and this turned out to also said by muammar gaddafi, the current and unifying imam of all muslims )... but if you still want to know about sects, this ( The Five Schools of Islamic Thought | Inquiries About Shi'a Islam | Books on Islam and Muslims | Al-Islam.org ) is a shia source... like i said, these schools of thought are to be seen in historical context and also in familial context - for example, someone might say that his forefathers believed in hanbali mazhab.

"takfiri" means any reactionary person who aggressively or violently thinks he or she can declare someone a muslim or apostate... the irony is that the takfiris are themselves unaware of true islam and are there to be called fake-muslim ( munafiq ).

there are three basic mullahs streams - (a). wahabi ( sometimes called salafi ), from what is now saudia, (b). deobandi, from what is now uttar pradesh state in india, (c). ayatollai, from iran... all reactionary groups/governments among muslims derive from these three but i will concentrate on deobandi since the other two are well-known generally.

now, out of the three basic mullah streams, it is the indian stream ( deobandi ) that has spread more widely in the world than the other two... the deobandi ideology, origining in the 1700's ( but not known by that name then ), is a indian corruption of islam, bringing brahminical attitudes and native south asian traditions into muslim practices... in the 1800's, the deoband ideology was helped by the britishers through them funding the establishment of the "dar-ul-uloom deoband" mullah school in deoband town in what is now uttar pradesh state... the britishers did this because they saw these reactionaries as means to prevent any other great muslim leader like tipu sultan from ever finding support to challenge british hegemony in south asia... this is similar to how in modern times usa government and nato has created and supported various muslim reactionary movements to counter modern socialism in muslim-majority lands.

the deoband movement, though with various organizations taking its ideology in india ( and south asia ), has its official missionary branch called the tableeghi jamaat... "tabligh" means to preach, more appropriately "be a missionary"... though the tableeghi jamaat is now a transnational movement, it again was started in india ( near delhi ) in 1927... now, most "muslim" terrorist groups are direct and indirect results of this movement because the movement is the incubator directly for terrorists or its graduates become those who inspire others to go the terrorist way... from south east asia, south asia, central asia, russia, china, britain, east africa, saharan africa ( including sudan ), west africa, australia, the republic of south africa, north europe, west europe - all these places have been affected by the tableeghi jamaat... this would mean groups like jemah "islamiya", qaeda, taliban, hizb-ut-tahrir, fsa, ntc, nusra etc... must be noted that some groups like qaeda, fsa and ntc were really just names whose fighters came from both wahabi background and tableeghi background, depending on whether they came from the gulf ( the former ) or other sunni places ( the latter ), and it was predominantly the latter.

the ikhwaan movement ( ikhwaan ul "muslimoon" / "muslim" brotherhood ) is a reactionary movement that origined in egypt and then spread in other parts of africa and into west asia, including syria and palestine ( the hamas movement there )... a follower of this movement is called ikhwaani... though the founder, hasan al-banna, was a wahabi, the later leader of the movement, sayyid qutb, was much inspired by the works of a indian deobandi mullah, abu ala maududi, and qutb then on based the movement on deobandi ideology... therefore, any ikhwaani, whether born in syria or in libya or algeria or turkey, is by extension following traditional indian reactionary attitudes/culture... now, the ikhwaan is present in various countries by other names too - in palestine ( gaza ), it is present as hamas... in turkey, it is the "ak party" ( which rules turkey presently )... in turk-prevalent-countries like germany and turkic countries, it is the "teblig"... in algeria, it was the groups gia and fis... and so on... as ever with reactionary groups, the ikhwaan of egypt, during colonial times, was supported by the the coloniser, the british... later, that role was also handled by usa government and by france government ( for some of africa )... in 2007, nato assisted hamas to ascend power in gaza... nato did this to counter the dominance of the socialism-based plo movement which is now mainly based in west bank... during the cia-created "arab spring" of 2011, nato assisted morsi of the egyptian ikhwaan to become president, until he was removed from power by the egyptian people and his ikhwaan movement banned and many of its leaders executed by hanging... same will be the fate of erdogan, the current ikhwaani president of turkey.

so indian culture in effect has been responsible for lot of reactionary injustice in the world, whether through the deobandis/tableeghis or the sanghis... and then there are the western governments and nato who have created or supported all these reactionary groups for western government strategic movements against socialism.

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@haviZsultan @WAJsal @fakhre mirpur @The_Showstopper @Jf Thunder

you may or may not agree fully with what i wrote above but this matter needs clearing.

@jamahir is unique.

Despite his constant attempt to paint Hinduism as violent as Islam or trying to compare/equate the non-comparable like RSS/Sangh with Islamic terror organizations. He has his Islamist leanings but I personally won't call/label him a jihadi.

But I do have partial respect for him on 2 counts:
1. Despite verbal abuse he gets from so many (calling him jihadi, et all) he never backs down on a logical discussion.

and more importantly

2. In a discussion he remains somewhat open to learning something new contrary to his view unlike the Pakistani kind of Muslims we see on this board who keep repeating the same thing over and over and over even after being presented evidence to the contrary. Which is to say he has not closed his mind completely.

thank you.

4. I agree that he is unique. An unique jihadi with shades of socialism. But still an Islamist fanatic.

true islam for me is only historically interesting and i defend it like i would defend any good idea... however, one of my first posts on pdf included calling for a post-religion communist humanity... besides, i do keep saying that i am simply bored of all religions... so your statement about me being a "islamist" fanatic is incorrect, i am not within a hundred kilometers as zarvan, luffy 500, monitor, dr. thrax, al-zakir etc.

5. He hates dogs. That singularly should disqualify him from belonging to the human race.

the supreme court doesn't agree with you ( indian supreme court speaks against the dog menace ).

this time u r being deliberately foolish

why??

 

[jamahir]

@Mahmoud_EGY , your opinion on the above, especially about the reactionary movements??

 

[illusion8]

let us simplify.

there are four sunni "schools of thought" ( mazhaib ) and one shia, the sunni ones to be seen in historical context mainly... the sunni ones are hanafi, shafi, maliki, hanbali and the shia one is called jaafri/jafri... now, i, born into sunni background, never cared to learn of the schools because they are artificial and are the ideas of some people and their followers who i may not agree with... true islam doesn't have sectarianism... even years ago i used to say "i am not sunni, i am not shia, i am just a muslim" ( and this turned out to also said by muammar gaddafi, the current and unifying imam of all muslims )... but if you still want to know about sects, this ( The Five Schools of Islamic Thought | Inquiries About Shi'a Islam | Books on Islam and Muslims | Al-Islam.org ) is a shia source... like i said, these schools of thought are to be seen in historical context and also in familial context - for example, someone might say that his forefathers believed in hanbali mazhab.

"takfiri" means any reactionary person who aggressively or violently thinks he or she can declare someone a muslim or apostate... the irony is that the takfiris are themselves unaware of true islam and are there to be called fake-muslim ( munafiq ).

there are three basic mullahs streams - (a). wahabi ( sometimes called salafi ), from what is now saudia, (b). deobandi, from what is now uttar pradesh state in india, (c). ayatollai, from iran... all reactionary groups/governments among muslims derive from these three but i will concentrate on deobandi since the other two are well-known generally.

now, out of the three basic mullah streams, it is the indian stream ( deobandi ) that has spread more widely in the world than the other two... the deobandi ideology, origining in the 1700's ( but not known by that name then ), is a indian corruption of islam, bringing brahminical attitudes and native south asian traditions into muslim practices... in the 1800's, the deoband ideology was helped by the britishers through them funding the establishment of the "dar-ul-uloom deoband" mullah school in deoband town in what is now uttar pradesh state... the britishers did this because they saw these reactionaries as means to prevent any other great muslim leader like tipu sultan from ever finding support to challenge british hegemony in south asia... this is similar to how in modern times usa government and nato has created and supported various muslim reactionary movements to counter modern socialism in muslim-majority lands.

the deoband movement, though with various organizations taking its ideology in india ( and south asia ), has its official missionary branch called the tableeghi jamaat... "tabligh" means to preach, more appropriately "be a missionary"... though the tableeghi jamaat is now a transnational movement, it again was started in india ( near delhi ) in 1927... now, most "muslim" terrorist groups are direct and indirect results of this movement because the movement is the incubator directly for terrorists or its graduates become those who inspire others to go the terrorist way... from south east asia, south asia, central asia, russia, china, britain, east africa, saharan africa ( including sudan ), west africa, australia, the republic of south africa, north europe, west europe - all these places have been affected by the tableeghi jamaat... this would mean groups like jemah "islamiya", qaeda, taliban, hizb-ut-tahrir, fsa, ntc, nusra etc... must be noted that some groups like qaeda, fsa and ntc were really just names whose fighters came from both wahabi background and tableeghi background, depending on whether they came from the gulf ( the former ) or other sunni places ( the latter ), and it was predominantly the latter.

the ikwaan movement ( ikhwaan ul "muslimoon" / "muslim" brotherhood ) is a reactionary movement that origined in egypt and then spread in other parts of africa and into west asia, including syria and palestine ( the hamas movement there )... a follower of this movement is called ikhwaani... though the founder, hasan al-banna, was a wahabi, the later leader of the movement, sayyid qutb, was much inspired by the works of a indian deobandi mullah, abu ala maududi, and qutb then on based the movement on deobandi ideology... therefore, any ikhwaani, whether born in syria or in libya or algeria or turkey, is by extension following traditional indian reactionary attitudes/culture... now, the ikhwaan is present in various countries by other names too - in palestine ( gaza ), it is present as hamas... in turkey, it is the "ak party" ( which rules turkey presently )... in turk-prevalent-countries like germany and turkic countries, it is the "teblig"... in algeria, it was the groups gia and fis... and so on... as ever with reactionary groups, the ikhwaan of egypt, during colonial times, was supported by the the coloniser, the british... later, that role was also handled by usa government and by france government ( for some of africa )... in 2007, nato assisted hamas to ascend power in gaza... nato did this to counter the dominance of the socialism-based plo movement which is now mainly based in west bank... during the cia-created "arab spring" of 2011, nato assisted morsi of the egyptian ikhwaan to become president, until he was removed from power by the egyptian people and his ikhwaan movement banned and many of its leaders executed by hanging... same will be the fate of erdogan, the current ikhwaani president of turkey.

so indian culture in effect has been responsible for lot of reactionary injustice in the world, whether through the deobandis/tableeghis or the sanghis... and then there are the western governments and nato who have created or supported all these reactionary groups for western government strategic movements against socialism.

---
@haviZsultan @WAJsal @fakhre mirpur @The_Showstopper @Jf Thunder

you may or may not agree fully with what i wrote above but this matter needs clearing.



thank you.



true islam for me is only historically interesting and i defend it like i would defend any good idea... however, one of my first posts on pdf included calling for a post-religion communist humanity... besides, i do keep saying that i am simply bored of all religions... so your statement about me being a "islamist" fanatic is incorrect, i am not within a hundred kilometers as zarvan, luffy 500, monitor, dr. thrax, al-zakir etc.



the supreme court doesn't agree with you ( indian supreme court speaks against the dog menace ).



why??

Bookmarked for future reference. .that's a nice rundown on some of the sunni terrorist / extremist / islamist groups. ..I am sure there are hundreds more corrupted and transformed ones. Africa is a cesspool of extremist Islam at the moment and mullahs must be creeping out of every nook and cranny with their own islamist versions. ..your community surely is in a mess dude.
I am sure most jamaati have been migrated to pakistan and bangladesh..and if you are right..then it's imperative that the remaining ones in India too need to be cleaned.

 

[baajey]

let us simplify.

there are four sunni "schools of thought" ( mazhaib ) and one shia, the sunni ones to be seen in historical context mainly... the sunni ones are hanafi, shafi, maliki, hanbali and the shia one is called jaafri/jafri... now, i, born into sunni background, never cared to learn of the schools because they are artificial and are the ideas of some people and their followers who i may not agree with... true islam doesn't have sectarianism... even years ago i used to say "i am not sunni, i am not shia, i am just a muslim" ( and this turned out to also said by muammar gaddafi, the current and unifying imam of all muslims )... but if you still want to know about sects, this ( The Five Schools of Islamic Thought | Inquiries About Shi'a Islam | Books on Islam and Muslims | Al-Islam.org ) is a shia source... like i said, these schools of thought are to be seen in historical context and also in familial context - for example, someone might say that his forefathers believed in hanbali mazhab.

"takfiri" means any reactionary person who aggressively or violently thinks he or she can declare someone a muslim or apostate... the irony is that the takfiris are themselves unaware of true islam and are there to be called fake-muslim ( munafiq ).

there are three basic mullahs streams - (a). wahabi ( sometimes called salafi ), from what is now saudia, (b). deobandi, from what is now uttar pradesh state in india, (c). ayatollai, from iran... all reactionary groups/governments among muslims derive from these three but i will concentrate on deobandi since the other two are well-known generally.

now, out of the three basic mullah streams, it is the indian stream ( deobandi ) that has spread more widely in the world than the other two... the deobandi ideology, origining in the 1700's ( but not known by that name then ), is a indian corruption of islam, bringing brahminical attitudes and native south asian traditions into muslim practices... in the 1800's, the deoband ideology was helped by the britishers through them funding the establishment of the "dar-ul-uloom deoband" mullah school in deoband town in what is now uttar pradesh state... the britishers did this because they saw these reactionaries as means to prevent any other great muslim leader like tipu sultan from ever finding support to challenge british hegemony in south asia... this is similar to how in modern times usa government and nato has created and supported various muslim reactionary movements to counter modern socialism in muslim-majority lands.

the deoband movement, though with various organizations taking its ideology in india ( and south asia ), has its official missionary branch called the tableeghi jamaat... "tabligh" means to preach, more appropriately "be a missionary"... though the tableeghi jamaat is now a transnational movement, it again was started in india ( near delhi ) in 1927... now, most "muslim" terrorist groups are direct and indirect results of this movement because the movement is the incubator directly for terrorists or its graduates become those who inspire others to go the terrorist way... from south east asia, south asia, central asia, russia, china, britain, east africa, saharan africa ( including sudan ), west africa, australia, the republic of south africa, north europe, west europe - all these places have been affected by the tableeghi jamaat... this would mean groups like jemah "islamiya", qaeda, taliban, hizb-ut-tahrir, fsa, ntc, nusra etc... must be noted that some groups like qaeda, fsa and ntc were really just names whose fighters came from both wahabi background and tableeghi background, depending on whether they came from the gulf ( the former ) or other sunni places ( the latter ), and it was predominantly the latter.

the ikwaan movement ( ikhwaan ul "muslimoon" / "muslim" brotherhood ) is a reactionary movement that origined in egypt and then spread in other parts of africa and into west asia, including syria and palestine ( the hamas movement there )... a follower of this movement is called ikhwaani... though the founder, hasan al-banna, was a wahabi, the later leader of the movement, sayyid qutb, was much inspired by the works of a indian deobandi mullah, abu ala maududi, and qutb then on based the movement on deobandi ideology... therefore, any ikhwaani, whether born in syria or in libya or algeria or turkey, is by extension following traditional indian reactionary attitudes/culture... now, the ikhwaan is present in various countries by other names too - in palestine ( gaza ), it is present as hamas... in turkey, it is the "ak party" ( which rules turkey presently )... in turk-prevalent-countries like germany and turkic countries, it is the "teblig"... in algeria, it was the groups gia and fis... and so on... as ever with reactionary groups, the ikhwaan of egypt, during colonial times, was supported by the the coloniser, the british... later, that role was also handled by usa government and by france government ( for some of africa )... in 2007, nato assisted hamas to ascend power in gaza... nato did this to counter the dominance of the socialism-based plo movement which is now mainly based in west bank... during the cia-created "arab spring" of 2011, nato assisted morsi of the egyptian ikhwaan to become president, until he was removed from power by the egyptian people and his ikhwaan movement banned and many of its leaders executed by hanging... same will be the fate of erdogan, the current ikhwaani president of turkey.

so indian culture in effect has been responsible for lot of reactionary injustice in the world, whether through the deobandis/tableeghis or the sanghis... and then there are the western governments and nato who have created or supported all these reactionary groups for western government strategic movements against socialism.

---
@haviZsultan @WAJsal @fakhre mirpur @The_Showstopper @Jf Thunder

you may or may not agree fully with what i wrote above but this matter needs clearing.



thank you.



true islam for me is only historically interesting and i defend it like i would defend any good idea... however, one of my first posts on pdf included calling for a post-religion communist humanity... besides, i do keep saying that i am simply bored of all religions... so your statement about me being a "islamist" fanatic is incorrect, i am not within a hundred kilometers as zarvan, luffy 500, monitor, dr. thrax, al-zakir etc.



the supreme court doesn't agree with you ( indian supreme court speaks against the dog menace ).



why??

bcoz u were opposing for no reason at all. u are largely n unbiased poster. u should keep it that way. cheerio mate, no offence intended.

 

[ito]

People should understand the news before they post it.

 

[dadeechi]

What "act" is the Sangh supposed to "Clean up " ? ...... kindly be more specific.

1) Get rid of the policy of not allowing members to marry

2) Get rid of shirt and shorts. May be replace with Dhotis

In India we always say "Mata Pita" and not "Pita Mata". (Mother first)

Taittiriya Upanishad start by saying "Matru devo bhava, Pitra devo bhava, Acharya devo bhava, Attithi devo bhava" (Mother first)

In the Ramayana, Shri Rama says "Janani Janmabhoomischa Swargadapi Gariyasi " i.e. "Mother and Motherland is greater than Heaven"

We call it " Mathrubhoomi "..... which is Mother Land.

Nowhere do we call it "Father land"

Our western brothers do call it as Fatherland.

Identity crisis: motherland or fatherland? | OxfordWords blog

 

[Indika]

how about sanghi terrorist groups like vhp funded by sangh-supporting hindus in britain and usa??

I dont have any problem when you raise your concerns, but you end up comparing nuclear bomb with a firecracker.
You can certainly bash or be prejudiced if it is vhp vs shiv sena vs local indian fanatics. Pakistan is leagues ahead of india in producing world class fanatics and this has already been accepted world wide. You are comparing local pickpocket to state sponsored genocidal maniacs.

Most of the time better part of your message ends up getting blurred due to your prejudice. Saying ant is an elephant killer might be a fact, but preaching all ants are elephant killers makes no sense.

 

[Mahmoud_EGY]

@Mahmoud_EGY , your opinion on the above, especially about the reactionary movements??

i cant say i know a lot about the Islamic movements operating in india all i can say is there should be a close government watch to any extremests groups and ideologies you can never imagine the damage they can make if they are given the chance if i was indian i would say secular nationalism is the way to unite the people and make india ready for future challenges

 

[SanjeevaniButi]

No double standards required. I called him for what I think he is. An Islamist but not a jihadi.

A Jihadi is one who is a Islamic warrior. Jamahir uses the computer ad not a sword or a Bomb. How does that make him any less of a Jihadi ?

He is fighting for an Islamic Caliphate. He is said so in clear terms without any ambiguity. Only he puts a burqa of "socialism" and "secularism" to cover his modest dreams

He has already said he does not respect the integrity of India and does not value his Indian citizenship. That he is a "world" citizen. How much more proof is required ?

A combination of a lot of factors. But its being done by Indian media very deliberately.

Why ?

1) Get rid of the policy of not allowing members to marry

2) Get rid of shirt and shorts. May be replace with Dhotis

LOL....who said RSS members can't marry ? ............. its only Pracharaks who' can't marry.

The Shorts are to encourage people to build up their physique and not remain skinny.

Similar to why Nair warriors are not allowed to wear clothes. They wore/wear only a small loin cloth.

Our western brothers do call it as Fatherland.

Identity crisis: motherland or fatherland? | OxfordWords blog

I know, which is why I challenged him ........ I wanted to see what answer he will give. Wanted to test his integrity.

 

[Jf Thunder]

let us simplify.

there are four sunni "schools of thought" ( mazhaib ) and one shia, the sunni ones to be seen in historical context mainly... the sunni ones are hanafi, shafi, maliki, hanbali and the shia one is called jaafri/jafri... now, i, born into sunni background, never cared to learn of the schools because they are artificial and are the ideas of some people and their followers who i may not agree with... true islam doesn't have sectarianism... even years ago i used to say "i am not sunni, i am not shia, i am just a muslim" ( and this turned out to also said by muammar gaddafi, the current and unifying imam of all muslims )... but if you still want to know about sects, this ( The Five Schools of Islamic Thought | Inquiries About Shi'a Islam | Books on Islam and Muslims | Al-Islam.org ) is a shia source... like i said, these schools of thought are to be seen in historical context and also in familial context - for example, someone might say that his forefathers believed in hanbali mazhab.

"takfiri" means any reactionary person who aggressively or violently thinks he or she can declare someone a muslim or apostate... the irony is that the takfiris are themselves unaware of true islam and are there to be called fake-muslim ( munafiq ).

there are three basic mullahs streams - (a). wahabi ( sometimes called salafi ), from what is now saudia, (b). deobandi, from what is now uttar pradesh state in india, (c). ayatollai, from iran... all reactionary groups/governments among muslims derive from these three but i will concentrate on deobandi since the other two are well-known generally.

now, out of the three basic mullah streams, it is the indian stream ( deobandi ) that has spread more widely in the world than the other two... the deobandi ideology, origining in the 1700's ( but not known by that name then ), is a indian corruption of islam, bringing brahminical attitudes and native south asian traditions into muslim practices... in the 1800's, the deoband ideology was helped by the britishers through them funding the establishment of the "dar-ul-uloom deoband" mullah school in deoband town in what is now uttar pradesh state... the britishers did this because they saw these reactionaries as means to prevent any other great muslim leader like tipu sultan from ever finding support to challenge british hegemony in south asia... this is similar to how in modern times usa government and nato has created and supported various muslim reactionary movements to counter modern socialism in muslim-majority lands.

the deoband movement, though with various organizations taking its ideology in india ( and south asia ), has its official missionary branch called the tableeghi jamaat... "tabligh" means to preach, more appropriately "be a missionary"... though the tableeghi jamaat is now a transnational movement, it again was started in india ( near delhi ) in 1927... now, most "muslim" terrorist groups are direct and indirect results of this movement because the movement is the incubator directly for terrorists or its graduates become those who inspire others to go the terrorist way... from south east asia, south asia, central asia, russia, china, britain, east africa, saharan africa ( including sudan ), west africa, australia, the republic of south africa, north europe, west europe - all these places have been affected by the tableeghi jamaat... this would mean groups like jemah "islamiya", qaeda, taliban, hizb-ut-tahrir, fsa, ntc, nusra etc... must be noted that some groups like qaeda, fsa and ntc were really just names whose fighters came from both wahabi background and tableeghi background, depending on whether they came from the gulf ( the former ) or other sunni places ( the latter ), and it was predominantly the latter.

the ikwaan movement ( ikhwaan ul "muslimoon" / "muslim" brotherhood ) is a reactionary movement that origined in egypt and then spread in other parts of africa and into west asia, including syria and palestine ( the hamas movement there )... a follower of this movement is called ikhwaani... though the founder, hasan al-banna, was a wahabi, the later leader of the movement, sayyid qutb, was much inspired by the works of a indian deobandi mullah, abu ala maududi, and qutb then on based the movement on deobandi ideology... therefore, any ikhwaani, whether born in syria or in libya or algeria or turkey, is by extension following traditional indian reactionary attitudes/culture... now, the ikhwaan is present in various countries by other names too - in palestine ( gaza ), it is present as hamas... in turkey, it is the "ak party" ( which rules turkey presently )... in turk-prevalent-countries like germany and turkic countries, it is the "teblig"... in algeria, it was the groups gia and fis... and so on... as ever with reactionary groups, the ikhwaan of egypt, during colonial times, was supported by the the coloniser, the british... later, that role was also handled by usa government and by france government ( for some of africa )... in 2007, nato assisted hamas to ascend power in gaza... nato did this to counter the dominance of the socialism-based plo movement which is now mainly based in west bank... during the cia-created "arab spring" of 2011, nato assisted morsi of the egyptian ikhwaan to become president, until he was removed from power by the egyptian people and his ikhwaan movement banned and many of its leaders executed by hanging... same will be the fate of erdogan, the current ikhwaani president of turkey.

so indian culture in effect has been responsible for lot of reactionary injustice in the world, whether through the deobandis/tableeghis or the sanghis... and then there are the western governments and nato who have created or supported all these reactionary groups for western government strategic movements against socialism.

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you may or may not agree fully with what i wrote above but this matter needs clearing.



thank you.



true islam for me is only historically interesting and i defend it like i would defend any good idea... however, one of my first posts on pdf included calling for a post-religion communist humanity... besides, i do keep saying that i am simply bored of all religions... so your statement about me being a "islamist" fanatic is incorrect, i am not within a hundred kilometers as zarvan, luffy 500, monitor, dr. thrax, al-zakir etc.



the supreme court doesn't agree with you ( indian supreme court speaks against the dog menace ).



why??

agree with you my Tharki friend