9-11 attack was also funded from India!!!

[cool_not]

Islamic terrorist are everywhere, no wonder these scums fund the global attacks.

 

[jamahir]

Bookmarked for future reference. .that's a nice rundown on some of the sunni terrorist / extremist / islamist groups. ..

thank you.

I am sure there are hundreds more corrupted and transformed ones.

well, less than two hundred maybe.

Africa is a cesspool of extremist Islam at the moment and mullahs must be creeping out of every nook and cranny with their own islamist versions.

result of nato regime-changes and conspiracies.

your community surely is in a mess dude.

no doubt, but many from it fight back, by word and by gun.

I am sure most jamaati have been migrated to pakistan and bangladesh

300,000+ mosques in india and most of them built since 1989... that means something.

..and if you are right..then it's imperative that the remaining ones in India too need to be cleaned.

yes, india is in need of a socialist clean-up.

bcoz u were opposing for no reason at all. u are largely n unbiased poster. u should keep it that way. cheerio mate, no offence intended.

thank you for voicing your recognition of my unbiased posts, and i assure you that what i said was just to balance the thread right from the first page.

A Jihadi is one who is a Islamic warrior. Jamahir uses the computer ad not a sword or a Bomb. How does that make him any less of a Jihadi ?

He is fighting for an Islamic Caliphate. He is said so in clear terms without any ambiguity. Only he puts a burqa of "socialism" and "secularism" to cover his modest dreams

He has already said he does not respect the integrity of India and does not value his Indian citizenship. That he is a "world" citizen. How much more proof is required ?

what i have said is that nationalism and the idea of nation is a artificial and unnatural concept and that i feel myself to be a citizen of humanity and i speak for and work towards a communist humanity.

now, while sanghis on pdf keep posting about new purchases of the already bloated indian military, i keep talking about injustices and oppressions within india and how to resolve them in a scientific manner... i may not care about "integrity of india" but i care deeply about the oppressed in india... that is the difference between nationalists and internationalists.

 

[SanjeevaniButi]

what i have said is that nationalism and the idea of nation is a artificial and unnatural concept and that i feel myself to be a citizen of humanity and i speak for and work towards a communist humanity.

now, while sanghis on pdf keep posting about new purchases of the already bloated indian military, i keep talking about injustices and oppressions within india and how to resolve them in a scientific manner... i may not care about "integrity of india" but i care deeply about the oppressed in india... that is the difference between nationalists and internationalists.

Thank you for helping me prove my point. This is what you said,

1. Idea of nation is a artificial and unnatural concept

2. I may not care about "integrity of india"

@tsinga

Notice how his "India" is "india" ? small "i" instead of capital "I" ?

He will be happy to disintegrate India on some pretext or the other. He is pretty clear about what he is. Are you ?

He is not the Stupid one here. YOU are.

 

[jamahir]

2. I may not care about "integrity of india"

you took what your blind nationalism lets you, ignoring the rest of my line " but i care deeply about the oppressed in india"... and notice my use of quotes in what you quoted.

and i will speak of a placard during the amaanat rape/torture protests in delhi in december 2012... the writing was in hindi and said "india rahe na rahe magar aurton ke khilaaf zulm na rehna chahiye", or something close to this.

Notice how his "India" is "india" ? small "i" instead of capital "I" ?

at every opportunity, i prefer writing everything in small case, including prophet muhammad.

using capital case has nothing to do with respecting or disrespecting something.

 

[SanjeevaniButi]

you took what your blind nationalism lets you, ignoring the rest of my line " but i care deeply about the oppressed in india"... and notice my use of quotes in what you quoted.

and i will speak of a placard during the amaanat rape/torture protests in delhi in december 2012... the writing was in hindi and said "india rahe na rahe magar aurton ke khilaaf zulm na rehna chahiye", or something close to this.

at every opportunity, i prefer writing everything in small case, including prophet muhammad.

using capital case has nothing to do with respecting or disrespecting something.

I do not care for your Reasons, only about what you will do when time comes to do it.

It is clear that you will not stand up for or with India.

 

[jamahir]

I do not care for your Reasons, only about what you will do when time comes to do it.

if you do not care for reasons or for engaging in discussion, what is the point of you living in human society or at least in urban environment??

so you prefer to keep being wrong than correct your views??

 

[SanjeevaniButi]

if you do not care for reasons or for engaging in discussion, what is the point of you living in human society or at least in urban environment??

so you prefer to keep being wrong than correct your views??

I am not engaging in any discussing with you. I consider you a moron, a hypocrite and a Jihadi and have no desire to sink myself to your level.

I was only interested in exposing your true nature for some foolish Indians who were not aware of your poisonous nature. You mistakenly assumed that I have any interest in whatever rubbish you have to say. I assure you I don't.

Don't bother to reply.

 

[volatile]

Indian role as global terrorist safe heaven has once again being projected through this article ,lets wait what will be the reaction of Uncle Sam ,Also one thing has proved again that Indians are master of False flagger

 

[mpk1988]

Indian role as global terrorist safe heaven has once again being projected through this article ,lets wait what will be the reaction of Uncle Sam ,Also one thing has proved again that Indians are master of False flagger

How dumb are you? No, I'm serious. Can you read?

If anything this means more strained relations with Pak and surveillance etc of minorities (on which you take such offence..pfft).

 

[jamahir]

I am not engaging in any discussing with you. I consider you a moron, a hypocrite and a Jihadi and have no desire to sink myself to your level.

I was only interested in exposing your true nature for some foolish Indians who were not aware of your poisonous nature. You mistakenly assumed that I have any interest in whatever rubbish you have to say. I assure you I don't.

Don't bother to reply.

you insult me and have the arrogance of saying "don't bother to repy"??

you, a sanghi of all people, should be judging people... go drink cow cola and cool down.

you cannot reply to me because you are not evolved as a human and so cannot make civilized dialogue.

and sanghis have a habit of using pretend-american words like moron... even the americans wouldn't use such words so freely.

 

[ghauri05]

Jihad is a global enterprise. ..

ok when it comes to india it become global..and when some group does it in pak..it is state owned...???

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Its the other way around, Aftab Ansari who gave the money for 9/11 was an established ISI agent

Aftab Ansari left India for Rawalpindi on an Indian passport issued in the name of Farhan Malik, obtained through fraudulent and corrupt means in Nalanda, Bihar.

In pakistan, Aftab ANsari was issued a Pakistan passport, bearing the number J 872142, in the name of Safir Mohammad Rana, valid up to the year 2006.

The part I highlighted in red is equally important - I fail to see why a terrorist could obtain a passport under a fake identity using 'fraudulent means' in India, and yet when the same individual exploited the corruption in Pakistan to obtain a Pakistani passport using 'fraudulent means in Pakistan', the implication is that 'the State assisted him'.

Claims that 'Aftab Ansari has ties to the ISI', as suggested in the excerpt from the Praveen Swami piece you used, appear premature given that the same piece quotes CBI officials as stating that they were still working on trying to establish any ISI connections with AA:

"CBI officials say that Ansari has so far made available a considerable amount of detail on his associates, notably their e-mail addresses and telephone numbers. Interrogators are also seeking to establish the precise nature of his contacts with Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence, and the supply routes through which weapons were shipped in to his group."
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In addition, there is no credible evidence linking Gen. Mahmoud Ahmed (and by implication the ISI/PA) with the wire transfer by Sheikh/Ansari, as the excerpt below attempts to summarize:

We’re no more able to definitively say what really happened here than anyone else, however after spending time looking through the evidence a few points do become clear.

First, the core claim that Sheikh wired anything at all to Atta is not the proven fact that some would have you believe. Sources involved here may have their own agendas, and there is contradictory information about the evidence involved. We're maybe 51/49 in favour of a transfer occurring, but it's very uncertain.

Second, if there was a transfer, there’s far less confirmation of the idea that Mahmoud Ahmad was involved at all than is generally accepted. Many of the sources commonly cited are simply references to the original India Times story. There are other sources, but they often present new problems of their own.

Third, the stories that do say Ahmad was behind the transfer provide no clear explanation as to how they’ve done this. You can start with “Ahmad called Sheikh frequently around the time of the transfer”, but that’s not actually proof that “Ahmad ordered Sheikh to transfer $100,000 to Atta”, and definitely not the occasional interpretation that “Ahmad was the money man behind the 9/11 attacks”.

Fourth, even if we accept the “Ahmad ordered Sheikh...” claim, there’s no evidence to show that the decision to do this was made by anyone other than Mahmoud Ahmad himself. And if it’s claimed that Ahmad is more than a “rogue general” then such evidence will be necessary, especially as there are alternative accounts suggesting he was sympathetic to Islamist causes.

Fifth, attempts to suggest that “close links” between the ISI and CIA mean that the US must, or even are likely to have known what Ahmad was doing beforehand, are little more than conjecture and guesswork.

And sixth, while most discussions of Ahmad’s dismissal might leave you thinking he was the only one to leave, it seems many other hardline Islamist officers were removed at the same time. And so it’s not necessary to devise any special explanation for his departure, for example to prevent investigations into his supposed 9/11 links.

The impression we get from all this is of a story that gets considerably less reliable, as you move away from wire transfer itself.

Did Sheikh transfer money to Atta, for instance? That’s a definite possibility.

But was he ordered to do so by General Ahmad? We have Indian sources saying he did, although there’s no evidence to back that up. Confirmation elsewhere is slim.

And as there are accounts saying General Ahmad had Islamist sympathies, can we be sure that, if he did order Sheikh to send the money, that he wasn’t simply doing that for his own reasons? Well, no.

Even if this funding was the official policy of the ISI, that doesn’t automatically imply a link to the CIA. India blame the ISI for funding and organising terrorism in Kashmir, for instance, but they don’t somehow assume that the CIA must be linked to that: they recognise that the ISI is an independent organisation. The argument that “the ISI and CIA have worked together therefore the CIA will probably have known what Ahmad was doing” is a stretch, to say the least.

And even if Sheikh funded Atta, and Ahmad ordered this, and he did so as a matter of ISI policy, and the US pressured Pakistan to have Ahmad removed, that still doesn’t show they were covering up a “CIA link”. In fact it can be argued it’s just as, if not more likely to be the US quietly trying to ensure that Pakistan was more likely to cooperate in the fight against the Taliban and Al Qaeda. (Quietly being a necessity, as Musharraf being publicly told what to do wouldn’t gain him much support in Pakistan).

In our view we’re a long way from any “damning link” here, then, although you should read at least the links in the above “Balance” section to make your own mind up. As you do, though, keep in mind the various links in the chain that need to be proved here, and assess for yourself how well an author covers each one.
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ISI funding of the attacks - 911myths​

 

[volatile]

How dumb are you? No, I'm serious. Can you read?

If anything this means more strained relations with Pak and surveillance etc of minorities (on which you take such offence..pfft).

Relation with Pakistan is not Pakistan responsibility alone its India`s as well .Regarding minorities we all know what you guys did to them so dont you dare go there with me .Calling me Dumb doesn't change the fact ,Indian role in today's terrorism can be judged by NSA team who admit said that they waged proxy war on Pakistan ,similarly Moodi own speech in BD where he himself was part of so called revolution going in to another country arming ,raping there is considered terrorism .Also Chinese latest visit also suggest Indian involvement in East Turk Movement ,Similar indication`s are that Indians RAW is also in contact with DAESH

 

[mpk1988]

Relation with Pakistan is not Pakistan responsibility alone its India`s as well .Regarding minorities we all know what you guys did to them so dont you dare go there with me .Calling me Dumb doesn't change the fact ,Indian role in today's terrorism can be judged by NSA team who admit said that they waged proxy war on Pakistan ,similarly Moodi own speech in BD where he himself was part of so called revolution going in to another country arming ,raping there is considered terrorism .Also Chinese latest visit also suggest Indian involvement in East Turk Movement ,Similar indication`s are that Indians RAW is also in contact with DAESH

India doesn't really need a relationship with Pakistan. We're fine with status quo. The comment was just n reference to your delusion on India and terrorism. India has never been charged for terrorism by anyone other than Pakistanis with no proof. On the other hand the whole world knows about Pakistan and terror. Official statistics and documents prove that. World stature prooves that. Chinese latest trip proved what? Do you regularly talk out of your ***. There has not been a single worthwhile complaint against India? Maybe that pea brain cooks up something. Better to keep that to yourself.. What a delusional joke..

Don't even get me started minorities.. You have NONE!! what like1%?? Rest have been wiped out. We have a growing minority base.. More than 17% of the population.. So you have no grounds to talk about anything.

 

[volatile]

India doesn't really need a relationship with Pakistan. We're fine with status quo. The comment was just n reference to your delusion on India and terrorism. India has never been charged for terrorism by anyone other than Pakistanis with no proof. On the other hand the whole world knows about Pakistan and terror. Official statistics and documents prove that. World stature prooves that. Chinese latest trip proved what? Do you regularly talk out of your ***. There has not been a single worthwhile complaint against India? Maybe that pea brain cooks up something. Better to keep that to yourself.. What a delusional joke..

Don't even get me started minorities.. You have NONE!! what like1%?? Rest have been wiped out. We have a growing minority base.. More than 17% of the population.. So you have no grounds to talk about anything.

Thing is these type of delusional stuff makes you believe you are a super power where as most of Indians are feeling hard to breathe specially after Mass Murderer Moodi has been elected ,you claim to be biggest democracy electing him shows average Indian mind set .