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Indians ganging up yet again.
And all of them registered in Feb 2010.
Hmmm....
Seems like some Indian govt. department did a bit of hiring last month...
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Indians ganging up yet again.
And all of them registered in Feb 2010.
Hmmm....
Seems like some Indian govt. department did a bit of hiring last month...
Y.. Now you know why I avoid Indians in real life?
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I fully acknowledge that there are well meaning Hindus and secular people in India who are just as disgusted as anyone by Gujarat, and who are working for better communal relations.
However, the fact remains that the treatment of Muslims in India is bad and, by some accounts, getting worse. Even leaving aside the Sachar report, there are other reports that claim Muslims have hardly benefitted from India's recent gains. Their status is barely above dalits. There was also another Western report (I don't have the source any more) about eastern India where Hindu Muslim relations are actually getting worse. Even officials were pessimistic about the future of community relations.
All of this is not anti-India. We have the same concern for Muslims who face discrimination in Western countries and sectarian violence within Muslim countries.
At one level, it is a human rights issue but, as Muslims, of course we are more sensitive to the plight of Muslims. This is no different from Jews, Christians and Hindus who work to highlight the suffering of their fellow religious members.
Lucky them.
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I have a good job by the grace of God. Looks like the forum business has helped you stand on your feet.Indians ganging up yet again.
And all of them registered in Feb 2010.
Hmmm....
Seems like some Indian govt. department did a bit of hiring last month...
Too late! I read what u said...!
I'd agree that if you were to look at economic indicators of religious communities in India Muslims would probably be close to the bottom. However I would not blame the state entirely for that. The fault lies with the community's leaders too.
I believe the solution mainly lies in the Muslim community in India looking within itself.
However, the fact remains that the treatment of Muslims in India is bad and, by some accounts, getting worse. Even leaving aside the Sachar report, there are other reports that claim Muslims have hardly benefitted from India's recent gains. Their status is barely above dalits. There was also another Western report (I don't have the source any more) about eastern India where Hindu Muslim relations are actually getting worse. Even officials were pessimistic about the future of community relations.
Agree.
Muslim 'leaders' tend to employ a dogmatic approach that emphasizes tradition. Many Muslims take it to be a repudiation of secular education, even though Islam places the highest importance on education. This is a problem throughout the Muslim world and in Muslim communities in the West also.
I think the answer lies in making a judicious mix of both. Knowing your religious tradition and attaining professional and higher education. From personal example, Sikhs and Christian minorities in India are deeply religious and protective of their faiths with Sikhs even proclaiming violent means as their rights. But at the same time they are also very welcoming of western education and enterprise. That is so even amongst those that are nor very well off.
I don't know about the 'mainly' part; the solution has to come from all sides.
Let's be realistic: because of India's history, many Hindus reserve a special hatred for Muslims as opposed to Christians or Sikhs. Muslims face far more systematic discrimination that other religious groups in India.
I would be lying if I said that the attitude of an average Hindu in India towards a Muslim is exactly the same as that towards a Sikh or a Christian. it is not. And as you said history has a lot to do with that. I can sometimes sense even amongst educated professionals a kind of anguish over past incidents like Somnath and other atrocities by invaders like Abdali and Ghauri. Its sort of what India has inherited from its past. But I definitely empathize with the Muslims in India. They have to keep their faith, as well as prove their allegiance to the nation a lot of times. In a way they must feel trapped between a faith that is seen as that of the enemy (Pak) and a nation that they love (India).
I am going by my personal experience of meeting expat Indians and reading Indian community magazines etc. Leaving aside the professional classes, even amongst the semi-skilled or unskilled migrants, there are precious few Muslims. Not even remotely close to 13%.
You could be wrong there, many artisans and craftsmen are Muslims. In fact there are some skills that are the monopoly of mainly Muslims (not in -ve way) and customers are doubtful about the quality of the product in case they know that the craftsman was not a Muslim.
However the professional middle class Indian doesn't hold any bias towards anybody. For most people, if you're qualified and can do the job well, your religion doesn't matter. I have a Muslim colleague who has a Brahmin (Sharma) wife. My ex-boss was a Muslim from Aligarh. I have had the best of times with them.
Agree.
Muslim 'leaders' tend to employ a dogmatic approach that emphasizes tradition. Many Muslims take it to be a repudiation of secular education, even though Islam places the highest importance on education. This is a problem throughout the Muslim world and in Muslim communities in the West also.
I don't know about the 'mainly' part; the solution has to come from all sides.
Let's be realistic: because of India's history, many Hindus reserve a special hatred for Muslims as opposed to Christians or Sikhs. Muslims face far more systematic discrimination that other religious groups in India.
I am going by my personal experience of meeting expat Indians and reading Indian community magazines etc. Leaving aside the professional classes, even amongst the semi-skilled or unskilled migrants, there are precious few Muslims. Not even remotely close to 13%.