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The entire premise of the argument is wrong - no one has the authority to declare someone a Kaafir except for Allah.

Agnostic let me teach you something about Islam. The fact is Allah has already indentified to Muslims what is a kaffir and what is not. One who submits to Allah in accordance to Islam and the Quran is A Muslim, one who does not or this case Mr. Jinnah who adopted British/Kaffir customs, ate pork/beacon, drank alcohol, is a kaffir, he even married a Parsi I think which is also haram, this is not obeying Allah! Therefore it is not Islam, and it is considered Kaffir.

Allah has already told us who the Kaffirs are, understand!

Wise UP!:crazy:

And all those lost people who thanked you for your comments show me how foolish they are.
 
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Wow hypocrites like you amaze me you hate the western way of life yet you live in USA and enjoy their way of life funny

so let me get this straight mulana mardoode was against the creation of a Muslim state cause quaid use to drink alcohol and eat pork(which you have no proof of other then what ever you hear from other homosexual jamaties) yet they emigrated to Pakistan any way they would have preferred to live in India as there is not any thing unislamic going on in India at all i doubt Indians drink or gamble or eat pork they do not belive in more then one GOD or idol worshipping yeah jamaties had the right idea quad was alcoholic and out of his mind yet even against all odds he created a Muslim state which you jamaties are trying you best to destroy HYPOCRITES.

It is well documented Mr. Jinnah ate pork and drank alcohol, and he adopted British/Kaffir customs, in fact Mr. Jinnah has already stated he enjoys British style eggs and pork/beacons. There are pictures of him drinking with the British. The fact is he was a very western man, not a true Muslim, and don't you dare say he is because that is insulting to true devout Muslims.

Also about your pathetic comments about me living in the West. Let me tell you something yes I happen to live in the West (though it was not my choice) in fact no matter WHERE I LIVE I will be surrounded by cultures with Western influences! No Islamic civilization exist today for me to live in, so your argument is one Fools like yourself perpetuate. Also I do not enjoy Western Life, in fact I do my best to live as a Muslim.

Jinnah of Pakistan- Stanley Wolpert's Book


"Amazingly enough the book got banned in Pakistan. President Zia-ul-Haq, on the other hand, not only wanted the book be published, but he also wanted it to be the core of all undergraduate studies in the Universities across Pakistan. In his mind President Zia could not smudge Jinnah Sahib’s image. So the mention of Jinnah Sahib ’s indulgence with whiskey and eating forbidden flesh was unacceptable to him. It had to be excluded from the book. This was Zia Hussain’s mission. He had to convince Mr. Stanley Wolpert to expunge a part of Mr. Jinnah’s Life, in order to make him a “True Hero”."

Source:http://pakistaniat.com/2007/09/11/wolperts-jinnah/comment-page-1/

Man even Zia Ul-Haq tried to cover up the truth, just like you people who want to hide the truth from us, just admit the man drank alcohol/sharabi banda, ate pork/beacon, and indulged in British customs...
 
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Also I don't want to talk about Mr. Jinnah any further the man is resting in peace, there is no need to continue this debate, because for one the facts are on my side, and two out of respect for Mr. Jinnah I will halt, I accept the same from you people, "put down your weapons" as they say in the Armed Forces.
 
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And all those lost people who thanked you for your comments show me how foolish they are.

I'm not lost, I am a person of the Book, a Christan. "Judge not lest ye be judged", is guidance from God for both Christians and Muslims.
 
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Such level of dislike from the government as I read through the posts of my countrymen makes me think that for a country like Pakistan change can only be bought when only the educated are allowed to vote and by educated I mean Intermediate level = international baccalaureate = high school = a- levels at least.
 
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Plunging popularity

Editorial

THE survey conducted by the International Republican Institute in the second half of October makes for grim reading for the government: Pakistanis are deeply troubled by the state of the nation and are pessimistic about the future. The government’s performance in key areas, the economy, governance and security, has left the country unimpressed, and its standing is already comparable to Gen Musharraf’s widely disparaged regime earlier this year.

While reading too much into poll numbers is problematic (for example, only 18 per cent in the survey claimed they would not vote in the next election, although Pakistan’s voter turnout has historically remained in the low- to mid-40s) the numbers are unsurprising.

Before the February elections, three major crises afflicting Pakistan were evident: one, the consumption-led economic bubble had begun to deflate, leaving millions of Pakistanis exposed to high inflation and dwindling economic prospects; two, emboldened militants were widening their area of operation, annexing territory and spreading mayhem in cities; and, three, there was a political crisis caused by damaged institutions, poor governance capacity and constitutional imbalances. Whoever formed the government, they were sure to take a beating on the first two issues, which were clearly medium- and long-term problems that would get worse before they got better.

The dissatisfaction, however, has proven to be all-pervasive because the government has not handled the political front deftly. Consider that of the three most popular politicians in Pakistan, the Sharif brothers occupy two slots. The third is Benazir Bhutto, no doubt sizeable shoes to fill but nevertheless a sign that the current PPP leadership has not won over the people. There is still room for recovery by the PPP-led government though.

The survey indicated that while at the moment the PML-N is almost twice as popular as the PPP, the PPP’s standing would rise to almost at par with the PML-N’s were the government to stabilise prices, the economy and the security situation. While definitely a tall order, the PML-N’s model of politicking provides some clues. The party led by Shahbaz Sharif in Punjab and Nawaz Sharif at the centre has deftly combined pragmatism with popular appeal. In Punjab, the PML-N-led government continues to work with the judiciary; at the centre, the Sharif brothers refuse to appear before a ‘tainted’ superior judiciary in personal cases involving electoral eligibility.

In Punjab, the tough-minded Shahbaz Sharif has drawn complaints from farmers, businessmen, bureaucrats and human rights activists, but has cleverly emphasised welfare projects that appeal to the people, such as the ‘sasta tandoor’ and a multi-billion income-support programme. Meanwhile, Nawaz Sharif has adroitly positioned himself as a principled politician who stands for institution-building and is above petty politics. Successful politicians cannot be on the back foot all the time; they must seize opportunities in crises and build on them.
 
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What's the use of flaming A1Kaid, let him state his facts.
Just politely ask him not to speak in a way about our Quaid-e-Azam that might hurt fellow Pakistanis.
Take it easy people..:undecided:
 
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What's the use of flaming A1Kaid, let him state his facts.
Just politely ask him not to speak in a way about our Quaid-e-Azam that might hurt fellow Pakistanis.
Take it easy people..:undecided:


My reply to AIKaid was meant to show that JI, that our Hon fellow member is so much enamoured with, is not what it appears to be. I am deeply sorry that it led to an attack on the person of the great Quaid. This however clearly illustrates that religious parties in Pakistan have little love for Pakistan or her founder, they only pay lip service mainly to avoid wrath of the population.

This reminds me of Aurangzeb, beloved of the mullahs and ostensibly a very devout Muslim. However he was son number three, he cared nothing for imprisoning his father ( Shah Jehan) and killing all of his brother in order to usurp the Crown and in the process destroyed Mughal kingdom in India.

In the Dawn editorial today there is another article highlighting the hypocrisy of the Religious political parties




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Unchecked fanaticism



THAT, at least until the time of writing, there was no loss of life is perhaps the only redeeming feature of the Taliban’s attack on three schools in Peshawar on Monday. There were no casualties because there were no students. Maybe this was just a coincidence. Otherwise, given the Taliban frame of mind, the brutality that has characterised their movement and the cold-bloodedness they have shown while spreading their ‘mission’, they couldn’t have cared less whether the attacks killed any students. On this occasion, apart from targeting a girls’ school, they attacked two boys’ school ostensibly because their medium of instruction was English. As their record shows they had so far targeted girls’ schools where English was not the medium of instruction — like those in Fata, Swat and many ‘settled districts’. On Monday they did so in the NWFP’s capital city, and one can rest assured that this is not going to be the last such attack, for the Taliban continue to wage war not only on the state of Pakistan but also on society — on all sane minds, on all noble concepts and on those values which led to the founding of Pakistan.

Pakistan was not created by and for bigots. The men who dreamed of it and the men who gave practical shape to it were liberal in their philosophy and dedicated to what is one of Islam’s cardinal principles — tolerance. That such a country should be under attack from semi-literate bigots, some of them men without character and fighting as mercenaries for the highest bidder, is one of Pakistan’s tragedies. And that at one point they were dancing to the tune of Pakistan’s security services is clearly a nightmare for the government today.

At the same time one is shocked by the silence some of Pakistan’s religious parties are maintaining on the shedding of innocent blood by the militants. Can mass murder be forgiven because the criminal takes cover behind a religious slogan and claims to fight for the enforcement of the Sharia? The subcontinent has produced some great religious divines and scholars but none of them advocated war on innocent civilians to establish an Islamic order. It is a pity that parties owing allegiance to these intellectual giants should keep mum and thus indirectly abet in the Taliban’s criminality. In fact, by keeping mum these parties are encouraging chaos and making the job of Pakistan’s foreign enemies easier. The Taliban cannot be crushed by force alone. Society and all its liberal sections should stand up to the militants and save Pakistan from becoming what Afghanistan was under the Taliban.

DAWN - Editorial; December 24, 2008

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Can you imagine what would happen if Heavens Forbid, JI ever came to power in Pakistan!
 
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The entire premise of the argument is wrong - no one has the authority to declare someone a Kaafir except for Allah.



Completely Agreee with you man ...


peoples call oftem Shaheed to dead MAN

But only ALLAH knows who is Shaheed ....




Jinnah was too religious on his last years
 
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