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88% Pakistanis say country headed in wrong direction: IRI survey

THEN WHY VOTE FOR A PRESIDENT LIKE ZARDARI IF THE PAKISTANI PEOPLE SAY THAT THE COUNTRY IS HEADED IN THE WRONG DIRECTION.

Pakistanis voted for the PPP, and the poll reflects the sentiments of Pakistanis today, not when they voted in the election at the beginning of the year.

At that time it was Musharraf and the PML-Q's policies that were seen to be 'leading the country in the wrong direction'. Now it seems the PPP is losing support, and Nawaz Sharif is back in favor.

However, it is still early days for the PPP government, and to be fair to them, they walked into a sh*t storm and the problems facing Pakistan need time to resolve. They should complete their entire five year term before we pass a final verdict on their performance.
 
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Maybe this will give rise to Jamaat e Islami Party, this party has stuck true to it's words. This party is good for Conservative Muslim Pakistan.


Jamaat-I-Islami

"Jamaat-I-Islami is Pakistan's oldest religious party. The Jamaat-e-Islami ranks among the leading and most influential Islamic revivalist movements and the first of its kind to develop an ideology based on the modern revolutionary conception of Islam in the contemporary world.

In its endeavours to propagate Islamic thought and to work for the cause of the Muslims around the world, Jamaat developed and maintained close brotherly relations with the Islamic movements and missions working in different continents and countries. The Akhwan-al-Muslimeen in the Arab world, the movements working in the northern African countries, Hammas in Palestine, Rifah in Turkey, Hizb-e-Nehdat-e-Islami, Tajikistan, Ma’Shoomi in Indonesia, the Muslim Youth Movement and the Islamic Party of Malaysia, al To’iah-al Islamia of Kuwait and Qatar and Al-Jamaat-e-Islamia of Lebanon, have ideological and at levels practical contacts with Jamaat-e-Islami Pakistan."

Jamaat-e-Islami


I think Pakistan should give this apparently intelligent and Independent Muslim Party a chance. This party does not take orders from the West it takes orders from the Holy Quran and Allah more than any other previous party.From what I remember this party never humiliated Pakistan.

P.S I am no official supporter of Jamaat-I-Islami. I'm just saying give this party a chance, PPP has failed us, PML-N and PML-Q has failed us, just give this party a chance.

Time to :partay:
 
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If not, just put the Military back in office..I think they have Pakistan's interest in mind.

Actually you guys know the AK Party in Turkey? Led by Prime Minsiter Erdogan and Pres. Abdullah Gul it is a Moderate-Conservative Party I would like to see a similar party in charge in Pakistan...The AK Party has brought tremendous economic reform to Turkey, and still try maintain their Islamic roots even though the Secular Military threatens them with a coup.

Hell Once Erdogan is out of office in Turkey I would not mind him entering Pakistani Politics and becoming a member of Government, he certainly promotes good qualities that moderate-conservative people can appreciate.
 
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Maybe this will give rise to Jamaat e Islami Party, this party has stuck true to it's words. This party is good for Conservative Muslim Pakistan.


Jamaat-I-Islami

"Jamaat-I-Islami is Pakistan's oldest religious party. The Jamaat-e-Islami ranks among the leading and most influential Islamic revivalist movements and the first of its kind to develop an ideology based on the modern revolutionary conception of Islam in the contemporary world.

In its endeavours to propagate Islamic thought and to work for the cause of the Muslims around the world, Jamaat developed and maintained close brotherly relations with the Islamic movements and missions working in different continents and countries. The Akhwan-al-Muslimeen in the Arab world, the movements working in the northern African countries, Hammas in Palestine, Rifah in Turkey, Hizb-e-Nehdat-e-Islami, Tajikistan, Ma’Shoomi in Indonesia, the Muslim Youth Movement and the Islamic Party of Malaysia, al To’iah-al Islamia of Kuwait and Qatar and Al-Jamaat-e-Islamia of Lebanon, have ideological and at levels practical contacts with Jamaat-e-Islami Pakistan."

Jamaat-e-Islami


I think Pakistan should give this apparently intelligent and Independent Muslim Party a chance. This party does not take orders from the West it takes orders from the Holy Quran and Allah more than any other previous party.From what I remember this party never humiliated Pakistan.

P.S I am no official supporter of Jamaat-I-Islami. I'm just saying give this party a chance, PPP has failed us, PML-N and PML-Q has failed us, just give this party a chance.

Time to :partay:

I flirted with JI myself in the 1960's as a very young student. However, very soon I got disheartened for two reasons;

- Maulan Maudoodi was anti Pakistan and anti Quaid e Azam. He referred to MA Jinnah as Kafir-e Azam.

- I found Jamiat Tulaba, JI student wing to be very militant, they use out and out thuggery during the Union elections.

You are welcome to differ, but IMO JI have no love for Pakistan, instead they are looking to form a universal Islamic state.

I however respect Maulana Maudoodi as an outstanding Islamic scholar. Unlike the Iranians, I dont believe in 'Vilayat e Faqih', thus I wont ever vote for JI.
 
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Pakistanis voted for the PPP, and the poll reflects the sentiments of Pakistanis today, not when they voted in the election at the beginning of the year.

At that time it was Musharraf and the PML-Q's policies that were seen to be 'leading the country in the wrong direction'. Now it seems the PPP is losing support, and Nawaz Sharif is back in favor.

However, it is still early days for the PPP government, and to be fair to them, they walked into a sh*t storm and the problems facing Pakistan need time to resolve. They should complete their entire five year term before we pass a final verdict on their performance.
so I guess we just have to live with it? we can wait while thousands of diehard jiyalas, who never ever change their minds, vote for PPP again? forget about them, what about the jahel people living under waderas, who hop onto trucks and head out to vote?

let's say we just wait this one out, now what will happen? who are we going to vote for, PML-N? more than a decade ago and immediately after Zia's rule, we decided to give democracy a chance. Benazir was elected in, then Nawaz, then Benazir, and then Nawaz again! the only way we can have a new party enter the political arena and actually stand a significant chance of winning, is through the fists of a dictator. Ayub/Yahya practically gave birth to PPP, Zia gave birth to PML-N, and now Musharraf gave birth to PML-Q.

Let's be real here, there's no way people like Imran Khan and PTI, or JI, ANP, or any other party stand a chance. besides, it's not like this govt. right now is any different from a dictatorship. Zardari, is doing almost everything without consulting parliament. the whole entire party is making laws that suit them, they've eliminated charges against themselves, they've eliminated the NAB, they are definitely looting (talk to people working at SBP), visiting countries with 200 companions, they're appointing their favorites and family members into positions of power, they've failed to honor their promises on the justices, and other commitments.

Now we are just supposed to take this crap? the media, journalists, and so-called intellectuals think it's okay now because they were elected and they have a free reign to do whatever they want? I'm guessing we will say that the media or other institutions, which are supposedly "strengthened" after the fall of dictatorship, will stop these politicians from doing whatever they want? where are the chief justices, I'm talking about the ones right now, and the supreme court? where is the writ of law? I suppose everyone will again say, "let democracy run its course, the bad things will eventually filter out." so far, history is not your witness.


Use of the royal ‘we’

By Anwar Syed

I BEGAN to think about this subject as my mind went to Mr Zardari’s excessive use of the personal possessive pronoun (my); something to which I shall soon return. The queen of the United Kingdom refers to herself in the first person plural pronoun (we) and to her things in its possessive case (our).

It was in 1169 that an English king, Henry II (d. 1189), first referred to himself as ‘we’. He was being harassed by his barons at the time, and he invoked the divine right of kings to convey that he did what he did with God’s authorisation so that his acts were God’s and his. ‘We’ then meant the king and God.

The idea caught on and subsequent kings and queens continued to use personal pronouns in the first person plural form. The practice spread to Europe, but it had already been in vogue in the Abbasid, Persian and Mughal courts. More recently, an instrument of abdication signed by Nicholas II opened thus: “In agreement with the Imperial Duma we have thought it best to renounce the throne of the Russian empire.” Commenting on the basic law of the state, the ruler of one of the emirates referred to himself as “We Qaboos bin Saad, Sultan of Oman.”

The pronoun ‘we’ is also used by popes, newspaper editors and columnists. We are not concerned with these usages. In royal usage, the intention sometimes was to assert that the speaker and his office were entitled to deference. In other situations the speaker meant to join his people with himself and wished to be taken as speaking both for himself and his people. The same holds for a high court judge or, among others, a member of parliament. ‘We’ in these cases includes both the speaker and the institution to which he belongs. A word now about the possessive pronoun ‘my’. It may denote the user’s ownership of the object named — as in ‘my car’— or the fact of his belonging to an entity — as in my country or my tribe. A politician in a democracy will avoid using it in its possessive connotation when he is referring to institutions.

Addressing a video conference organised by the Hindustan Times on Nov 22, 2008, Asif Ali Zardari declared that “I am not threatened by India”; let the people of Pakistan “force me and let the people of India force their leaders” to find a just solution of the Kashmir dispute: “I am glad I can say with full confidence that I can persuade my parliament” to consider ways of improving ties with India. On other occasions he has referred to “my economy”, “my budget”, “my deficit”, “my treasury”, “my foreign exchange reserves”, “my need” for $100bn.

In this connection it is noteworthy that he has been announcing policy initiatives and reaching understandings and accords with foreign governments without consulting the cabinet or the parliament in Pakistan.

Mr Zardari’s frequent use of the personal pronouns (I and my) raises questions regarding his self-perception. We know who and what he was and is, but we have to figure out how he places himself. We know, for instance, that he came from a moderately prosperous Sindhi land-owning family. He completed high school. His father owned an entertainment business in Karachi which he managed. Somewhere along the line, he caught Begum Nusrat Bhutto’s attention while she looked for a prospective son-in-law and Benazir was persuaded to marry him .This connection made him a public figure. He now was the husband of a formidable politician and, for periods of time, a prime minister’s husband.

Within days of Benazir Bhutto’s assassination on Dec 27, 2007, Asif Ali Zardari rose to be his own man, standing taller than he had ever been. Claiming that Benazir had named him as her successor, he got the PPP’s central executive committee to elect him as the party’s co-chairman. A few months later members of parliament and the four provincial assemblies were persuaded to elect him the president of Pakistan in preference to a former judge of the Supreme Court.

As president he is required by the constitution to perform his functions upon the prime minister’s advice. One may be astonished to find that in actual practice it is the other way round: it is the prime minister who acts on the president’s advice, not he on the prime minister’s.

Before Benazir’s death Mr Zardari was not a politician, leader or ruler. Since then he has been cast in all of these roles. It is possible that the potential for them lay hidden in the inner recesses of his personality, and it came to the fore when the call for it surfaced. He does have the knack of taking people along, even leading them up the garden path, so to speak. But it is not equally clear how long he can keep them in his camp. His performance as a politician and as a ruler is, to put it mildly, problematic.

Let us now turn to his frequent use of the possessive personal pronoun in the first person singular form (my). A couple of explanations come to mind. It is not beyond the realm of possibility that he feels that everything existing in Pakistan — land, people, institutions — belongs to him. Instead of identifying himself with the country and the state, he identifies the country and the state with himself. He may reject this interpretation if confronted with it, but that doesn’t matter, for it is to be expected.

Second, he may believe that the offices of PPP chairman and president of Pakistan invest him with majesty like that of absolute kings. Yet, he may be unaware that in that case he should use ‘pluralis majestatis’ — that is, ‘we’.

One of his close associates may consider telling him to be more selective in his use of the personal possessive pronouns.

DAWN - Opinion; December 21, 2008
 
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I flirted with JI myself in the 1960's as a very young student. However, very soon I got disheartened for two reasons;

- Maulan Maudoodi was anti Pakistan and anti Quaid e Azam. He referred to MA Jinnah as Kafir-e Azam.

- I found Jamiat Tulaba, JI student wing to be very militant, they use out and out thuggery during the Union elections.

You are welcome to differ, but IMO JI have no love for Pakistan, instead they are looking to form a universal Islamic state.

I however respect Maulana Maudoodi as an outstanding Islamic scholar. Unlike the Iranians, I dont believe in 'Vilayat e Faqih', thus I wont ever vote for JI.

Mr. Jinnah was called a Kaffir because he adopted Kaffir/British customs and traditions. He ate pork and beacon ahhh the good ol' British way. He drank sharab/alcohol, so how can we call him a "Muslim" to be a Muslim means to submit to Allah and Allah's Quran; drinking alcohol, eating pork/beacon, not practicing the pillars of Islam, and adopting Kaffir customs and ideology is not Islam but Jahiliyaah and kaffir. So that is why Mr. Jinnah was called Kaffir, because he technically is. Though I think Mr. Jinnah did a wonderful thing fighting for the Muslim independence and working towards the establishment of a Muslim homeland in South Asia. :)
 
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Mr. Jinnah was called a Kaffir because he adopted Kaffir/British customs and traditions. He ate pork and beacon ahhh the good ol' British way. He drank sharab/alcohol, so how can we call him a "Muslim" to be a Muslim means to submit to Allah and Allah's Quran; drinking alcohol, eating pork/beacon, not practicing the pillars of Islam, and adopting Kaffir customs and ideology is not Islam but Jahiliyaah and kaffir. So that is why Mr. Jinnah was called Kaffir, because he technically is. Though I think Mr. Jinnah did a wonderful thing fighting for the Muslim independence and working towards the establishment of a Muslim homeland in South Asia. :)
sir, Jinnah left this lifestyle later on and became more closer with his roots. People make mistakes, I can say the same thing about a lot of people. what matters is if they can change themselves. (this DOES NOT justify bad acts, and I hope none of you engage in these acts with the intention to change yourselves later on around 50 after Hajj!)

Besides, if Jinnah was indeed a kafir, then why did Maulana Shabbir Usmani pray Salat-ul-janaza for him? after all, Jinnah approached Ashraf Ali Thanwi for help with his mission, instead he was re-directed to his student, Shabbir Usmani, because of Thanwi's old age. obviously, Shabbir Usmani knew things that we don't because he was very close to Jinnah. just something to think about.
 
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This is not a suprise, the people of Pakistan wanted a change for the better and thought Zardari was the man. I think this changed started when he began making interesting speaches.
 
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Mr. Jinnah was called a Kaffir because he adopted Kaffir/British customs and traditions. He ate pork and beacon ahhh the good ol' British way. He drank sharab/alcohol, so how can we call him a "Muslim" to be a Muslim means to submit to Allah and Allah's Quran; drinking alcohol, eating pork/beacon, not practicing the pillars of Islam, and adopting Kaffir customs and ideology is not Islam but Jahiliyaah and kaffir. So that is why Mr. Jinnah was called Kaffir, because he technically is. Though I think Mr. Jinnah did a wonderful thing fighting for the Muslim independence and working towards the establishment of a Muslim homeland in South Asia. :)
This is ******* disgusting.He is father of our nation and you're talking about his personal life.Who cares whether he was a Mullah or average Muslim..?People like you are *****.You should respect Mr.Jinnah for giving us freedom!
 
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THEN WHY VOTE FOR A PRESIDENT LIKE ZARDARI IF THE PAKISTANI PEOPLE SAY THAT THE COUNTRY IS HEADED IN THE WRONG DIRECTION.

1st of all correct urself.. People nt voted Zardari by the way... he is not informed to the people of pakistan that after PPP win he will be a president ..
 
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This is ******* disgusting.He is father of our nation and you're talking about his personal life.Who cares whether he was a Mullah or average Muslim..?People like you are *****.You should respect Mr.Jinnah for giving us freedom!

Sir it is true though, yes I agree those sins are disgusting but true. I am not Anti-Jinnah notice how I call him Mr. Jinnah because I show my respect to him. I was simply explaining to niaz why Mr. Jinnah was considered a kaffir, please do not get frustrated. I did say Mr. Jinnah did a wonderful thing giving Muslims a homeland in So. Asia...
 
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Sir it is true though, yes I agree those sins are disgusting but true. I am not Anti-Jinnah notice how I call him Mr. Jinnah because I show my respect to him. I was simply explaining to niaz why Mr. Jinnah was considered a kaffir, please do not get frustrated. I did say Mr. Jinnah did a wonderful thing giving Muslims a homeland in So. Asia...

The entire premise of the argument is wrong - no one has the authority to declare someone a Kaafir except for Allah.
 
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Count me in the 88%.


Bring back Musharraf

He is back in Pakistan after his trip abroad which is a major disappointment for his critics. :cheers:
 
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Mr. Jinnah was called a Kaffir because he adopted Kaffir/British customs and traditions. He ate pork and beacon ahhh the good ol' British way. He drank sharab/alcohol, so how can we call him a "Muslim" to be a Muslim means to submit to Allah and Allah's Quran; drinking alcohol, eating pork/beacon, not practicing the pillars of Islam, and adopting Kaffir customs and ideology is not Islam but Jahiliyaah and kaffir. So that is why Mr. Jinnah was called Kaffir, because he technically is. Though I think Mr. Jinnah did a wonderful thing fighting for the Muslim independence and working towards the establishment of a Muslim homeland in South Asia. :)

Wow hypocrites like you amaze me you hate the western way of life yet you live in USA and enjoy their way of life funny

so let me get this straight mulana mardoode was against the creation of a Muslim state cause quaid use to drink alcohol and eat pork(which you have no proof of other then what ever you hear from other homosexual jamaties) yet they emigrated to Pakistan any way they would have preferred to live in India as there is not any thing unislamic going on in India at all i doubt Indians drink or gamble or eat pork they do not belive in more then one GOD or idol worshipping yeah jamaties had the right idea quad was alcoholic and out of his mind yet even against all odds he created a Muslim state which you jamaties are trying you best to destroy HYPOCRITES.
 
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A Pessimistic Pakistan

Daily Times Editorial,
Sunday, December 21, 2008

It is not surprising that a recent International Republican Institute survey should find 88 percent of respondents in a poll done in Pakistan as saying their country was headed in the wrong direction. Only 11 percent said Pakistan was headed in the right direction. The downward trend is continuing from January 2008. Funnily, 73 percent Pakistanis said their personal economic situation improved in 2008, only 12 percent thought otherwise. But 59 percent feel their economic situation would worsen during the upcoming year. This means the yardstick here is not only the normal yardstick related to the economy, in this case the fear that things are going to get bad, but something else as well. What is that?

It is another sort of fear that is stealing the hope of Pakistanis. Thanks to the way we have made our people understand the current situation, the depressed Pakistani also thinks it is our foreign policy which is not good. And here he means it is not “honourable” enough and not “martial” enough. The poll says: “The Pakistan People’s Party (PPP)-led government is bearing the brunt of this discontent”. This is because it is fighting an unpopular war in FATA and not fighting a popular war with India. But the truth is that Pakistan has fewer foreign policy options than it thinks, least of all that of honour which in plain speech means defiance of the international community. Thus all the chickens of a national security state built on fear and honour, rather than economic self-reliance and prosperity, are coming home to roost. *
 
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