70% crimes will end if political parties' militant wing members arrested'

[pak-marine]

yeah right take arms from people and let armed to the teeth taliban and their allies (banned parties) take over karachi. Offcourse problems will be solved as there will be no challenge to the writ of dehshatgards of taliban and extremists .. i see where the sharifs are coming from.

Mr Ganjay we dont shower murderer will rose petals , we dont attend namaz e janaza of terrorist , we dare and have the courage to call spade a spade .. do you see the difference. Its the thuggish idealogy and mind frame of extremists and terrorist you were once saying sorry to fck off and die

You can shove your suggestion up yours and keep allied with right wingers whose public support is under serious threat

 

[batmannow]

What matter is to us common people is the GDP of country

GDP was better during marshallaw

http://www.defence.pk/forums/econom...ss-all-pakist-ani-rulers-histor-y-reveal.html

Living here in Pakistan, things was much better during Musharaf times. Compare the GDP,

Yes Damo-crazy failed again, because the corrupt illetrate Wadara, Zameedar, maliks having fake degree should not run the country.

I support those who brings GDP to a better point, I really give a sh__ to marshallaw or Damo-crazy

Topic here not GDP?

So you think army can solve the karachi problem & can clean the militant wings of political parties?

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

P.S. I AM A PATHAN from BALOCHISTAN'S region dukki, my grandfather was a sardar who supported QUAID-E-AZAM (didn't want to mention it but people like U in our country have nothing to do but bash those, who speak the truth!) If u want my more details i can further give it to you, here.

You are right violence in karachi didnt start with MQM, but tell me are you a pathan or pashtun?....you are a grandson of a sardar? we pashtuns (even if they are from your loralai) dont have sardars, we have malaks and khans....its baloch who have sardars....why dont you use your genuine identity ,which must be mohajir,to express your point of view.

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

That's the core of the issue here, they all know that Mohajirs are the real pioneers of the freedom struggle. The people who were in Sindh/Punjab/Bluchistan/FATA got everything sitting down while it was the migrants who sacrificed everything literally for Pakistan. Even today, Mohajirs want to be Pakistani above anything else but a Sindhi wants to be Sindhi, Baloch wants to be Baloch and Pathan wants to be Pathan. It's is quite clear, really, who supports a united Pakistan and who does not.

Because fear of hindu domination made them to struggle hard for new country, On the other hand people of four provinces of present day pakistan might not have felt so much need for new country as much as you people as they were in majority in their own provinces. Bengali muslims were exception as they were lagging behind from hindu bengalis in every field and walk of life hence they were most active in pakistan movement.......

 

[Mav3rick]

Because fear of hindu domination made them to struggle hard for new country, On the other hand people of four provinces of present day pakistan might not have felt so much need for new country as much as you people as they were in majority in their own provinces. Bengali muslims were exception as they were lagging behind from hindu bengalis in every field and walk of life hence they were most active in pakistan movement.......

First of all, Muslims living in isolation or away from Hindu populations would have faced the worst conditions under a Hindu country, such as Sindh Baluchistan, FATA, so your argument is basically flawed, they would have made easy targets and would not have any social uplift, development etc.. Even more importantly, migrants were pulled to the freedom struggle by the call of establishment of an Islamic country.

The Muslims who formed the core of the freedom struggle and those who later migrated were some of the most educated, well off Indians who sacrificed everything for the newly created Muslim country!

 

[batmannow]

First of all, Muslims living in isolation or away from Hindu populations would have faced the worst conditions under a Hindu country, such as Sindh Baluchistan, FATA, so your argument is basically flawed, they would have made easy targets and would not have any social uplift, development etc.. Even more importantly, migrants were pulled to the freedom struggle by the call of establishment of an Islamic country.

The Muslims who formed the core of the freedom struggle and those who later migrated were some of the most educated, well off Indians who sacrificed everything for the newly created Muslim country!

Both of u guys are offtopic!
Comeback to hell called karachi plz?

 

[pak-marine]

Because fear of hindu domination made them to struggle hard for new country, On the other hand people of four provinces of present day pakistan might not have felt so much need for new country as much as you people as they were in majority in their own provinces.

4 provinces majority or no majority still would be under hindu state than ? all 4 wanted it thus why passed resolutions etc

 

[pak-marine]

Because fear of hindu domination made them to struggle hard for new country, On the other hand people of four provinces of present day pakistan might not have felt so much need for new country as much as you people as they were in majority in their own provinces.

4 provinces majority or no majority still would be under hindu state than ? all 4 wanted it thus why passed resolutions etc

 

[SamranAli]

if this happen than major source of income will be not left.
Btw its my 2000th post.

 

[Thorough Pro]

Mohajirs are the real pioneers of the freedom struggle. The people who were in Sindh/Punjab/Bluchistan/FATA got everything sitting down while it was the migrants

If the misstatement is not intentional as part of MQM lies and propaganda, you need to educate yourself about the number of immigrants in punjab, who actually suffered and migrated leaving all their property behind vs urdu speaking migrants in Karachi who came until 1954 thanks to Liaqat ali khans blessings to create a strong vote bank.

 

[batmannow]

The Karachi cauldron
From the Newspaper | Zahid Hussain | 18 hours ago

The Karachi cauldron | DAWN.COM

KARACHI may have witnessed worse spates of violence in the past, but the present crumbling of state authority is unprecedented. The mayhem in the country’s financial capital and economic jugular in many respects has come to resemble the lawlessness of the tribal areas.

Armed gangs reign with impunity, holding hostage the city of 18 million people. More than 7,000 people are estimated to have been killed in violence since 2008 as political parties, sectarian outfits and crime mafias battle for domination.

But even this high casualty figure does not fully reflect the magnitude of the disorder gripping the metropolis. The near collapse of law-enforcement and governance has turned Karachi into a virtually lawless territory with the population living in a perpetual state of fear.

Patronised by ruling political parties and sectarian groups, scores of criminal gangs vie for control over land and the city’s other resources. Mafias have moved in, filling the vacuum left by a failing state. Extortion and kidnapping for ransom have become a highly lucrative business.

Businessmen are forced to pay protection money for their survival. Factories are closing down as investors move to other areas. Awash with sophisticated firearms the city is sitting on a powder keg ready to explode with drastic consequences for the country’s economic and political stability.

What is most frightening is the prospect of the city becoming the new battleground for the Taliban and other militant groups. The breakdown of law and order and the bloody strife among the alleged armed wings of the ruling coalition partners have given huge space to militants fleeing low-intensity military operations in Swat and South Waziristan.

With the presence of thousands of fugitives, the city has become, perhaps, the biggest sanctuary for militants. They find little difficulty in blending into large immigrant populations from the northwest. Hundreds of radical madressahs across the city not only provide them with shelter and logistical support but also a constant supply of recruits for militant activities.

The militants have hugely benefited from the criminalisation of politics and ethnic tension. High-profile terrorist attacks on military and other security installations, including the Mehran naval airbase raid and the car bombing of a CID detention centre in recent years, have demonstrated the growing strength of militants in the city.

Some recent statements by the TTP threatening to target political leaders and enforce Sharia in the city are indicative of growing Taliban stridency. Talibanisation has been noticed in certain Karachi suburbs.

Not surprisingly, some security officials compare the Karachi situation with North Waziristan, the tribal agency which is described as the centre of gravity for militants and terrorism.

Today, the situation in Karachi is far more complex and volatile than what existed in the 1980s and 1990s when thousands perished in ethnic and political violence.

Never before has the city witnessed such breakdown of government and law enforcement. Given the widespread and multifaceted violence, the fear of Karachi becoming another Beirut is not altogether far-fetched.

For sure some of the problems of Karachi are rooted in its fast-changing demographic profile. According to some estimates, close to a million people are added to its population each year, making Karachi the fastest-growing city in the world. The massive influx of immigrants from the northwest in recent years has significantly changed the ethnic balance in the city reinforcing parochial politics.

The tug of war between the ANP and MQM is a manifestation of the city’s new demographic reality and ensuing political dynamics. It is a battle for control of Pakistan’s biggest city.

The power struggle has taken a violent turn owing to their alleged patronage of criminal elements involved in land grabbing, arms smuggling and extortion.

According to some studies, more than 200 well-armed criminal gangs with political patronage are operating in Karachi earning it the dubious reputation as one of the most violent cities in the world.

What has made the situation more dangerous is the inability of the government to crack down on the perpetrators, many of whom are said to come from within the ranks of the coalition partners. The PPP, which heads the coalition government in the province, is also allegedly patronising some of the criminal gangs to expand its political base in the city, causing the violence to escalate.

It is an unprecedented situation where the ruling parties themselves are seen as the perpetrators of the bloodbath. The turf battle has left thousands of people dead over the past four years. The ongoing proxy battles among coalition partners have paralysed the local administration and law-enforcement agencies.

Even if arrested, most of the perpetrators of targeted killings and extortion go free due to the pressure exerted by their patrons in the coalition government.

The politicisation of law-enforcement agencies has compromised their professionalism, rendering them pliant and ineffective.

At least 40 per cent of the Karachi police force has reportedly been recruited on political grounds rather than on merit. Many members are said to have a criminal record. The politicisation of police has become more pronounced after the Sindh government repealed the Police Order of 2002, giving powers of transfer and appointment of senior officers to the provincial government.

Now it has become much easier for the ruling parties to get police officers of their choice posted in their constituencies to protect their illegal activities.

Fear of repercussions is a strong factor contributing to professional police officers not being proactive in cracking down on politically connected criminals. They cannot be blamed for maintaining a low profile after what happened to the officers who were involved in the 1995 operations. Almost all of them were brutally murdered.

There is no simple solution to the boiling Karachi cauldron. But the country’s economic lifeline cannot be left to bleed. It requires emergency political and security measures to end the ongoing violence. Peace can only be restored by depoliticisation of the police and other security agencies. It is mainly the responsibility of the ruling political parties to come to some agreement to save the city. An unstable Karachi will destabilise the entire country.

The writer is an author and journalist.
zhussain100@yahoo.com
Twitter: @hidhussain

 

[Wasif A.K.]

You are right violence in karachi didnt start with MQM, but tell me are you a pathan or pashtun?....you are a grandson of a sardar? we pashtuns (even if they are from your loralai) dont have sardars, we have malaks and khans....its baloch who have sardars....why dont you use your genuine identity ,which must be mohajir,to express your point of view.

So now when i proved from the historic point of view what actually happened from the very beginning, u have turned to personal traits of a person ?

I dont need to justify my self infront of anyone, only god JUDGES me.

meanwhile just for ur information i would still like to tell u something

we are KHAN, our cast is YOUSUFZAI, and about the sardar statement i am sure that if u live in loralai u can some time visit and meet someone in dukki, "aged enough", and ask him about some one named "CHAND KHAN" who used to be head of the people/ tribe who lived there in 1930's - 1940's ... And also try to enquire about his son named BASHIR AHMED KHAN .. who completed his MBBS and became the first doctor of that region.... who later on after the Independence of Pakistan moved to karachi. Now Be glad to go there and inquire.

YA ALLAH I wish, I wish there comes a time in Pakistan when people accept and realize the truth without being centered about who's mouth are those words coming from~~~ and is he/she is from us or not~~~ weather pashtun ? or punjabi or sindhi or mahajir or some othe crap~~~~

When a person dies, what matters is the truth and the lies/wrongs that he takes with himself in the hear after. ALLAH will not ask anyone about what language did we prefer to speak or what firqa we belonged to, I feel Pity at the mentality of the people of our country some time.

P.S. If u ever come to Karachi, and are willing to meet me then let me know, my Grandmother still has saved some remains from the place dukki which i would be glad to show you also.

may ALLAH bless u : )

 

[Wasif A.K.]

If the misstatement is not intentional as part of MQM lies and propaganda, you need to educate yourself about the number of immigrants in punjab, who actually suffered and migrated leaving all their property behind vs urdu speaking migrants in Karachi who came until 1954 thanks to Liaqat ali khans blessings to create a strong vote bank.

oh yeah so migrants who reached to Punjab were the actual sufferers ? and the one who reached sindh were not. LOL What kind of mentality do u people possess ? really? ! believe me u like supporting landlords and their opinion then be glad about it. ur gatherings and what u have heard has caused this, Now tell me i am lying LOL. But ask this to urself and ur heart will tell u the truth : )

 

[muse]

There are no mohajirs - Mojirat end the second Pakistan was created -- Is it legal to set up militant wings of political parties?

 

[Wasif A.K.]

Sindh is very important to every Pakistan sitting in any part of the world or in any part of Pakistan. We all want Sindh to be a strong economic hub but militant wings of political parties can only be abolished/arrested by limited Military operations [police-rangers failed], but then the question is if political parties created militant wings that makes them equally responsible for terrorism in Pakistan thus it would by default make those parties responsible for terrorism and be banned for a very long time.

Saying is easier than done!
Do u actually know what is the reason behind IMRAN KHAN sahab nt speaking against MQM any further ? There lies a reason behind this. When PTI tried to establish themselves in Karachi there supporters were tortured, and know what the funny thing is ? The ones who resisted them the most were ANP office bearers and some other parties having very little support here, While in areas where MQM have a strong vote bank , they were allowed to run their campaign. The biggest universities of Karachi i.e URDU UNIVERSITY AND KARACHI UNIVERSITY are the ones that lies in MQM's strong hold u may say. And if u ever go there u 'll find that the PTI'S student wing is running full flash campaign for the support of their party.

Also if people call MQM the one who have armed personals, and because of such they should be alone blamed, Well then believe me or believe me not every single party in Karachi ( MQM,PMLN,PML(f),(Q),ANP,JUI PPP even PTI and sindhi nationalists etc etc ) All those who run their campaign here~~~ all have their armed personals~~~~ and roam on the streets here openly with arms.

BTW if i missed ur party that u support, then feel free to add it in to the list above