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7 killed in shooting on China-Vietnam border

Why you want to get rid of Uighurs? They are the local and indigenous people of Sinjiang.Your rulers should treat them with respect and dignity and solve all the problems in peaceful manners.You as a nation have long way to go,don`t adopt the path of arrogance but humility.
sorry for his inappropriate words
some cannot represent all ,right?
accurally ,majority of Uighurs are good and united to China.
For sure,little some in this thread really annoying .Those separatists who should be keep away from China
BTW.Correct ur an error.The Uighurs arenot borned in Sinjiang in history.Han race also there for thousands of yrs.
 
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two of Vietnam border guards died by the attack of the terror suspects. major Nguyen Minh Dai and second lieutenant Le Vu Viet Khanh.

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I answered on your provocative troll about Indochina federation and when we have been just lost two soldier in this accident, when Uijgur came to Vietnam without necessary documents. Our soldiers taken care about them like other Chinese citizen, respect each to others as a human being. We don't foreseen that such people were very upset when we send them back to China.

some stupid Chinese would like this incident to troll on us. Such "impotent " soldiers have been kicked your *** in 1979.

In fact in Vietnam war we fought against France and USA for both Cambodia and Laos independence. let them rule themselves. We joined to ASEAN because we are part if it.

Unlike it in China you like to annex other people soil even though in modern time. Tibet, East Turkestan, Inner Mongolia and Manchuria declared Independence after collapsing of Man Qing Dynasty.

If you can't even manufacture sources to back up your lies then its better to keep quiet. Qing dynasty abdicated in 1912. Inner Mongolia never declared indepdence, Japan only set up a puppet state there called Mengjiang which was majority Han and most of the puppet army was Han, There was no declartion of independence until 1933 in Kashgar in Xinjiang when Uyghur nationalists set up the ETR, and they were against Hui Muslims and Han people, and in 1944 when the Soviet Union set up the puppet Second East Turkestan Republic. Manchukuo was another Japanese puppet state that was majority Han.

On the other hand, Vietnam performed ethnic cleansing in the Central Highlands upon the Montagnards and took over and flooded the land of the Cham Muslims and Hindus.

Mission to Vietnam Advocacy Day (Vietnamese-American Meet up 2013) in the U.S. Capitol. A UPR report By IOC-Campa.

Emperor Minh Menh annexed its remaining territories. This caused the erasure of the Kingdom of Champa from the map. Today all that remains of the Kingdom of Champa are it’s archaeological sites and the survivors of Emperor Minh Menh’s ethnic cleansing policies. After 1975, when Saigon fell to the communist government of North Vietnam, the Cham lost their farms, land and properties, because they were confiscated by the government. They have been prohibited to worship and practice their religions. Practicing Hindu Cham had several ancient temples that were used for worship, confiscated and converted into tourist destinations by the Vietnamese government for their own financial benefit, violating the Cham Hindu beliefs.

About 130,000 Cham people in Vietnam currently exist in Binh Thuan and Ninh Thuan provinces (central Vietnam); Chau Doc, Ho Chi Minh City, and Tay Ninh (Southern Vietnam). The rest have fled seeking refuge in the U.S., Thailand, Cambodia, Malaysia, and across Europe.

The Cham people are currently recognized by the Vietnamese government as minority group, even though they are indeed and in fact, indigenous. They meet all requirements by the UN standards and criteria, to be considered indigenous, however the Vietnamese government refuses to acknowledge this.

Recent human rights violations by the Vietnamese government against the Cham people:

  • In 2012, the local police used their power to bust into a local Mosque and took away a generator that provided electricity to over 40 families in the village of Chau Giang, and not long after that they came and kidnapped young village girls at their discretion to rape and sexually abuse them, eventually releasing them.
  • On 2009, a farm land owned by 13 Cham families From Vân Lâm villages was confiscated, when they tried to stand up for their ownership, they were apprehended by the police and discarded in an undisclosed remote location in the jungle.
  • In 2010, two young Cham college students from Thành Tín village are on vacation took a walk from their village to the city being stop and beat up to death.
  • In March 2013, a poor Cham college student Thành Xuân Thịnh from Phươc Nhơn village took out a loan for school, upon graduation he was unable to get a job and sought the help of staffing agency to place him in a position, so he could pay back his student loans. The agency had promised to staff him within weeks. After a few months, he was still unemployed, and when he approached the agency about a refund, they set him on fire, and he burned to death.
The case of the fallen Champa


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The Uprising of the Central Highlanders in February 2001

Fyi Taiwanese aborigines oppose Taiwan independence, they are against Hokkien and Hakka (so called "Native Taiwanese") claiming aboriginal ancestry.

How Han are Taiwanese Han? Genetic inference of Plains Indigenous ancestry among Taiwanese Han and its implications for Taiwan identity - Udini

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If you can't even manufacture sources to back up your lies then its better to keep quiet. Qing dynasty abdicated in 1912. Inner Mongolia never declared indepdence, Japan only set up a puppet state there called Mengjiang which was majority Han and most of the puppet army was Han, There was no declartion of independence until 1933 in Kashgar in Xinjiang when Uyghur Nationalists set up the ETR and started massacring Hui Muslims and Han people, and in 1944 when the Soviet Union set up the puppet Second East Turkestan Republic. Manchukuo was another Japanese puppet state that was majority Han.

On the other hand, Vietnam performed ethnic cleansing in the Central Highlands upon the Montagnards and took over and flooded the land of the Cham Muslims and Hindus.

Mission to Vietnam Advocacy Day (Vietnamese-American Meet up 2013) in the U.S. Capitol. A UPR report By IOC-Campa.

The case of the fallen Champa


COMMENTARY

The Uprising of the Central Highlanders in February 2001

Fyi Taiwanese aborigines oppose Taiwan independence, they are against Hokkien and Hakka (so called "Native Taiwanese") claiming aboriginal ancestry.

How Han are Taiwanese Han? Genetic inference of Plains Indigenous ancestry among Taiwanese Han and its implications for Taiwan identity - Udini

Republic_of_China_%28Taiwan%29_demographics.png

Yo Wholegrain, Taiwanese Han Chinese love Japan... why why why? Is it PRC too sicko?


Japan Taiwan’s favorite country, survey reveals - Taipei Times

More than half the population listed Japan as their favorite country, a survey conducted by Japan’s representative office in Taiwan has found.

Japan ranked far ahead of the US and China as the favorite foreign country of Taiwanese, being chosen by 52 percent of respondents to a survey conducted by the Japan Interchange Association’s Taipei office, the country’s de facto embassy in Taiwan.

Only 8 percent of respondents said the US was their favorite country, while 5 percent said China.
 
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Yo Wholegrain, Taiwanese Han Chinese love Japan... why why why? Is it PRC too sicko?

Japan Taiwan’s favorite country, survey reveals - Taipei Times

More than half the population listed Japan as their favorite country, a survey conducted by Japan’s representative office in Taiwan has found.

Japan ranked far ahead of the US and China as the favorite foreign country of Taiwanese, being chosen by 52 percent of respondents to a survey conducted by the Japan Interchange Association’s Taipei office, the country’s de facto embassy in Taiwan.

Only 8 percent of respondents said the US was their favorite country, while 5 percent said China.

Again, only Hokkien and Hakka Han have positive views of Japan. Waishengren (mainlander) and Aboriginals have negative views of Japan. Aboriginals view Japan as another oppresive colonizer. We waishengren and aboriginals may make up only 17% but we weren't the ones who stole this land from its true owners.

We waishengren call the aboriginals "yuanzhumin" (original people) of Taiwan. Your Hokkien brothers call them "barbarian" 番, in your daily speech, this is your people's standard word for them.

Aboriginals despise Hokkien and Hakka as colonizers who murdered their ancestors and stole their land. Your Hokkien brothers used to eat and cannibalize them.

台灣原住民月刊

When pro independence, pan-Green Hokkien invited the Dalai Lama over, the aboriginals protested against the Dalai Lama.

Protesters accuse Dalai Lama of staging 'political show' in Taiwan

Dalai Lama visits Taiwan typhoon victims

When aboriginals went to Japan to protest at Yasukuni shrine and attack the Japanese, pan-green Hkkien and Hakka told the aboriginal to 'behave themselves'

Lawmaker and aborigines forbidden to visit Yasukuni - The China Post

When Hokkien and Hakka claimed aboriginal ancestry to promote Taiwan independence, the aboriginals told them to buzz off.

How Han are Taiwanese Han? Genetic inference of Plains Indigenous ancestry among Taiwanese Han and its implications for Taiwan identity - Udini

Taiwan blood nationalists have called for Taiwan's independence based on this myth. The descendants of Plains Indigenes are extremely opposed to using their ancestors in such calls for Taiwan independence.

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I'm downrating down anyone who starts insulting or mentioning non-involved third party countries which have nothing to do with this incident. I'm talking to you Borr.
 
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I'm going to take another long break after I saw all the insults in this thread.
 
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Hi Wholegrain, same same.... Your central plain ancestors kill others and took their women as wife. Below is our original home. We should go back.... haha

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hey welcome back

I thought you claimed that minorities in China were slaves and not Chinese?
you are correct. Chinese make up of Han as majority as master and the rest as slaves.

On the other hand, Vietnam performed ethnic cleansing in the Central Highlands upon the Montagnards and took over and flooded the land of the Cham Muslims and Hindus.

Mission to Vietnam Advocacy Day (Vietnamese-American Meet up 2013) in the U.S. Capitol. A UPR report By IOC-Campa.


The case of the fallen Champa


COMMENTARY

The Uprising of the Central Highlanders in February 2001
you repeat the scrap over and over again. don´t you find it boring?
 
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2 dollar fee to enter Vietnam? It is very cheap. How much do Vietnamese pay if we want to enter China?
Any visa required?
Just curious.
I got some friend and told me that cost 50 to 100 RMB(about 8 to 16 dollar) to enter in Vietnam(mostly in Mong Cai), play one day, and come back. There are many Vietnamese people coming in China and selling Vietnam local products every day, and I think there is some special paper for them(not visa).
 
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Hi Wholegrain, same same.... Your central plain ancestors kill others and took their women as wife. Below is our original home. We should go back.... haha

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my friend, I enjoy reading your posts.
but you may soften your words a bit here and there as I don´t want to see you get banned again. :cry:

I am not sure whether the mods here are neutral as they should be.
 
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hey welcome back


you are correct. Chinese make up of Han as majority as master and the rest as slaves.


you repeat the scrap over and over again. don´t you find it boring?

I haven't posted this one before.

"Economy in Motion: Cham Muslim Traders in the Mekong Delta"

Philip Taylor

http://www.chamstudies.com/members/philiptaylor(chammuslimtraders).pdf

"Yet Vietnam’s ethnic minorities, who officially comprise over fifty different linguistically distinct groups and account for around 15 per cent of the population, are widely seen as the losers in the liberal reform process. Their incomes and expenditures are much lower than those of the Kinh, Vietnam’s ethnic majority group, and they have a greater incidence of poverty, lower participation in schooling and poorer health (Baulch et al. 2002; Rambo & Jamieson 2003).

Three principal explanations have been advanced to account for the failure of the economic reforms to benefit ethnic minorities in Vietnam. First, these groups are seen as physically remote from economic opportunities and government services, living as they do for the most part in the uplands and in geographically marginal areas (van de Walle & Gunewardena 2001; Vu Quoc Ngu 2004). Second, many ethnic minority peoples are thought to experience the problem of ‘cultural remoteness’ (Baulch et al. 2002, p. 17), their distinct linguistic, customary or religious heritage presenting cultural obstacles to their interactions with the wider society that inhibit economic advancement. This explanation differs little from that advanced in the pre-reform era by the ethnic Kinh-dominated state, which attempted to eradicate religious and customary practices of ethnic minority peoples that were seen as backward, divisive and harmful to socialist modernisation (McElwee 2004). Third, the state’s sponsorship of market relations, migration and infrastructure projects in ethnic minority areas and the imposition of mainstream cultural values in the name of modernisation are believed by some analysts to have been counterproductive by undermining the socio-economic standing of people in such areas (Rambo & Jamieson 2003; Taylor 2004a). As a consequence, some minority groups have disengaged culturally and socially from the mainstream (Salemink 2003; Taylor 2004b, pp. 2605), forms of resistance with the potential to compound their economic marginalisation.

The Cham Muslims of the Mekong delta exemplify in several respects the problems faced by Vietnam’s remote-dwelling ethnic minority people during the liberal reform era. A community of almost 13,000 people, the Cham, who live near Vietnam’s border with Cambodia, reside in ten small settlements where they follow a mode of life constrained significantly by the delta’s riverine ecology. Culturally distinct from their neighbours, the Cham speak their own language*Cham*as well as Vietnamese, Khmer, Malay and Arabic. They have a unique style of housing and follow a distinct matrilocal post-marital residence pattern. Unlike their Kinh neighbours, who profess a southwards social and cultural diffusion narrative, the Cham claim diverse origins from Malaysia, Cambodia, Indonesia, Thailand and the Middle East, as well as from the kingdom of Champa, formerly located in present-day Vietnam. As a community of devout Muslims, the Cham community of the delta has been subject to recent attempts by the Vietnamese state to sponsor migration by ethnic Kinh migrants into settlements in which they previously comprised the majority. They have been encouraged to study in government schools and to learn Vietnamese. Yet Cham people’s emphasis on their cultural and religious distinctive- ness has, if anything, only increased during a period in which development policies have favoured urban-dwelling residents in particular and ethnic Kinh people in general.

Given geographical, cultural and structural factors of a kind identified in the literature as the most common constraints to the well-being of ethnic minority groups in Vietnam, it may not come as a surprise to learn that many Cham people describe their standard of living as low, or subsistence-level, earning only enough to live day to day. Living in a region with the poorest system of all-weather roads in the country, their settlements are difficult enough to access in the dry season. When it floods, as it does annually, they are cut off for months from the nearest urban and commercial centres. Few of them own motorbikes and the relatively high cost of cross-river ferry transport makes it difficult to access nearby service centres regularly. Many Cham say that in comparison with the majority ethnic group they lack education, connections and access to state power, resources that might help them to engage in remunerative economic activities. They point out that recent state development initiatives have brought them few benefits as many of the new high- cost investments and technologically demanding jobs have been monopolised by non-Cham people. The Cham have resisted the state’s efforts to define them as remnants from the kingdom of Champa, a state that was annexed by the Vietnamese. Instead, they emphasise a religious-based identity and highlight Islam as the sole basis for community membership (Nakamura 1999). The pronounced emphasis on Islam within their settlements has restricted interactions with their proximate neighbours and has also heightened consciousness among the Cham of their moral exclusivity in relation to their non-Muslim neighbours."

"Les musulmans de Châu Đốc (Vietnam) à l’épreuve du salafisme"

"Châu Đốc Muslims (Vietnam) faced with Salafism"

Les musulmans de Châu Đốc (Vietnam) à l’épreuve du salafisme

This is about the economic situation of minorities (Cham, Chinese, and Khmer) in the Mekong Delta.

http://www.chamstudies.com/members/philiptaylor(redressingdisadvantage).pdf
 
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