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6th December..20 Years of Shahadat of Babri Mosque by Hindu Militants

:angry: bring the pictures of your phub , if u cant mean he dose not exist.. by your logic am i going right sir? ?


how can i believe the Ny Times Source when i can See Hindus Worshipping in Jain Temple Daily When every i Pass by the Temple in lahore ?? according to the link it was bulldozed and burnt and people with hammers destroyed it but funny thing is that whole area is famous by the name of JAIN MANDIR and hindus went there for worships
 
This was babri illegal structure . not mosque..

that illegal structure stood all the time in british time, why didnt you complained then

as i said, hindus get indian govt patronage for terrorism and they even justify one
 
[:::~Spartacus~:::];3673652 said:
that illegal structure stood all the time in british time, why didnt you complained then

as i said, hindus get indian govt patronage for terrorism and they even justify one


learn some history Hindus were disputing the mosque even b4 the British
 
lol these fellows never worry about their country... always feels like they live in lala land... try to spit venom and to show their butt hurting ego against India...
 
how can i believe the Ny Times Source when i can See Hindus Worshipping in Jain Temple Daily When every i Pass by the Temple in lahore ?? according to the link it was bulldozed and burnt and people with hammers destroyed it but funny thing is that whole area is famous by the name of JAIN MANDIR and hindus went there for worships

u see it everyday right? why dont you pls post some pics and enlighten us and prove nytimes wrong?
 
[:::~Spartacus~:::];3673652 said:
that illegal structure stood all the time in british time, why didnt you complained then

as i said, hindus get indian govt patronage for terrorism and they even justify one

Because that time they were fighting for freedom.

well i think your government better know about terrorism
 
A Well written article from BBC.I think all members here should read it.

BBC News - Viewpoint: How India moved on from Ayodhya

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The common social bonds between Hindus and Muslims remain intact

Hindu extremism has failed to take hold in India, says writer and historian Patrick French, 20 years after the deadly riots that followed the demolition of the Babri mosque.

When young men with saffron flags stood on the broken dome of the Babri Masjid in Ayodhya in 1992, looking exceptionally pleased with themselves, it appeared that Indian politics had changed.

It was not difficult to find eminent intellectuals who believed hard-line Hindutva (political Hinduism) represented the future. The sheer number of Hindus in India suggested that, if they chose to, radical elements could create a different kind of nation to the diverse, polyphonic one envisaged at independence.

"I love my country and I am proud of its rich and varied heritage," goes the National Pledge, recited daily by schoolchildren. But writing a few months after the events in Ayodhya, the historian Sarvepalli Gopal feared "secularism would be strangled and India would be heading for a fascist take-over… The siege to the basic concepts on which free India has striven to build herself has become more intense."

In the year following the demolition, there were reasons for fear.

Across the nation several thousand people, most of them Muslim, were killed in riots; a series of bombs exploded in Bombay (now Mumbai), orchestrated by a Dubai-based crime and terror mafia; and minorities (including Hindus in far-away Karachi) became the target of persecution.

Fading away

In the view of author VS Naipaul, the passion of the men who had smashed the mosque was a sign of "India striving to regain her soul… in years to come it will be seen as a great moment, and it will probably become a public holiday." In fact, the gist of Indian electoral politics veered away from such destructive action as the years passed.

Back in 1992, two political impulses appeared to be on the rise: self-assertion by disadvantaged castes and the use of Hindu identity as a mass rallying cry for voters.

While the first has revolutionised democratic politics, and is still mutating today, Hindutva has faded away as a significant electoral force. There will always be vociferous people who believe that Hindus are a voiceless majority facing insidious persecution from "pseudo-secularists" - but their influence is declining.

Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) politicians who are strongly associated with Hindutva, such as Lal Krishna Advani and Narendra Modi, now spend much of their time trying not to look like extremists.

Mr Advani ostentatiously praised Mohammed Ali Jinnah's "forceful espousal of a secular state" while on a visit to Pakistan in 2005, while Mr Modi is trying to build links to Gujarati Muslim leaders with a view to detoxifying his reputation. The proportion of Muslim policemen in comparison to the general population is higher today in Gujarat than in any other state in India.

At the ballot box, Hindutva consistently plays badly.

During the assembly elections in Uttar Pradesh (UP) earlier this year, the BJP's efforts to use a divisive figure like Uma Bharti to promote its cause turned out to be a disaster: rather than offering a vision of the future, she seemed to represent a discredited past.

Even the constituency of Ayodhya itself was lost by the BJP to the regional Samajwadi Party, and only three out of every 20 voters across UP plumped for the BJP. The victor in Ayodhya, a student leader named Pawan Pandey, explained his success: "The common man does not believe in false temple politics. Everybody wants development and good governance."

The Ram Janmabhoomi movement has lost its appeal for younger voters. It was in retrospect an oddity, a popular historical phenomenon created in part by the mass excitement caused by the television adaptation of the Hindu epic Ramayana in the late 1980s.

Hindu extremism was always a contradiction in terms. Dharma comes in innumerable different forms and traditions, and you have to struggle hard to find Hindu texts or training which demand a fundamentalist version of faith. The alternative was to borrow militant strategies from stricter religions like Islam or Christianity.

The mathematics of India's fractionalised electoral map means that issues of caste, region, language, profession and social representation usually take precedence over religion.

Bypassing the state

More significantly, India has become richer since 1992.

Increasingly, voters do not see political parties as the potential answer to their problems. Where possible, they will avoid the state and choose a workaround. Economists will tell you that when individuals have "skin in the game", they are less likely to riot. Communal violence at times of social stress will continue, but it is much less common.

Contrary to the fears expressed in 1992, the people of India show little sign of wanting either a religious state or a fascist take-over.

Ironically, the greatest threat to the archaeological history of Islam can be found not in Hindu-majority India but in Saudi Arabia.

During the last 20 years, the Ottoman era sites of Mecca and Medina have been destroyed. The house of the Prophet's first wife Khadijah in Mecca has been turned into a public toilet block; the mosque of the Prophet's grandson was blown up; five historic mosques outside Medina have been razed; countless tombs and shrines have been bulldozed by the Saudi authorities, following their austere interpretation of Islam which discourages any risk of "idol worship".

Twenty years after the shock of the Babri Masjid's demolition, Hindu-Muslim relations in India have not been transformed in either a positive or a negative direction.

Muslims continue to face discrimination and under-representation, especially in professions where they have traditionally been absent, such as banking and the higher echelons of the civil service.

But the common social bonds and mutual dependence between communities - upon which India is built - remain intact.
 
Ayodhya is for Hindus...Kashi is for Hindus... and we are 10 times more religious than you as well.... we have greaT RESPECT AND BELEIF in our tradition......we are generous par sar pe mat baitho. :P

it is funny how Muslims across the world get senti about their religion and go as far as they can while they cite UN and secularism when others complain.

we don't hate you but please don't push us to compromise with our beliefs and for the god sake leave our sacred places alone.
 
Well I don't understand one thing. Why threads on Babri are allowed and the threads on 30 temples demolished in 20 years thread closed ?

If it is due to trolls, then ban them, remove their posts but at least discuss the similar threads.

Babri issue is Indian social issue which is a banned topic whereas the temples in Pakistan destroyed comes under Pakistan's social issue which is a section itself.

So can someone clear this ambiguity ?

I have no problem in discussing Babri issue if people think its related to Pakistan or World Affairs. Its demolition was act of extremists. But one can't ignore Indian archaeological survey report that it was built on destroyed Hindu temple. Either people are questioning findings of this institute or ignoring the fact that few extremists who were influenced by political parties for political gains destroyed a place of worship which is itself despicable.

They are no different than criminals like Aurangzeb and people who destroy temples in other countries.
 
Trollidutvas and Trollibans are slugging it out :rofl:
 
Well I don't understand one thing. Why threads on Babri are allowed and the threads on 30 temples demolished in 20 years thread closed ?

If it is due to trolls, then ban them, remove their posts but at least discuss the similar threads.

Babri issue is Indian social issue which is a banned topic whereas the temples in Pakistan destroyed comes under Pakistan's social issue which is a section itself.

So can someone clear this ambiguity ?

I have no problem in discussing Babri issue if people think its related to Pakistan or World Affairs. Its demolition was act of extremists. But one can't ignore Indian archaeological survey report that it was built on destroyed Hindu temple. Either people are questioning findings of this institute or ignoring the fact that few extremists who were influenced by political parties for political gains destroyed a place of worship which is itself despicable.

They are no different then rulers like Aurangzeb and people who destroy temples in other countries.

It was clearly a double standard from mods.
 
Well I don't understand one thing. Why threads on Babri are allowed and the threads on 30 temples demolished in 20 years thread closed ?

If it is due to trolls, then ban them, remove their posts but at least discuss the similar threads.

Babri issue is Indian social issue which is a banned topic whereas the temples in Pakistan destroyed comes under Pakistan's social issue which is a section itself.

So can someone clear this ambiguity ?

I have no problem in discussing Babri issue if people think its related to Pakistan or World Affairs. Its demolition was act of extremists. But one can't ignore Indian archaeological survey report that it was built on destroyed Hindu temple. Either people are questioning findings of this institute or ignoring the fact that few extremists who were influenced by political parties for political gains destroyed a place of worship which is itself despicable.

They are no different than criminals like Aurangzeb and people who destroy temples in other countries.

Its called

hy·poc·ri·sy ------The practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform.

Not surprising, not new, never the last.
 
I have one question for the Muslims on this forum, Will Muslim inhabitants of a predominately Muslim country let a church or temple remain standing if it was built by demolishing a Mosque. ?

At-least 99% of Muslim populace would favour demolition and such a disputed structure in Muslim country would be eventually demolished and the country's media would cover it as if it just another murder or something and , so no need to demonise the folks who responsible for demolition because these so called right wing Hindu militant groups are just militant and touchy about their faith as an average Muslim is. These so called RSS terrorist did what even an average Muslim liberal would have done.

Hundreds of temples and Gurudwars have been demolished in Pakistan. Hindu girls are abducted, raped and converted against their will in Pakistan does anybody care in Pakistan. So much fuss about about a demolished mosque in India when on a average, every day a Hindu girl is kidnapped in Pakistan.
“Around 20 to 25 forced conversions take place every month in Sindh. If this situation continues, the Hindus will have no choice, but to resist,”
Don’t push us to the wall, warns minority MPA
 

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