647 women killed in the name of ‘honour’ last year

[Spring Onion]

the general view of the Pakistani society in this(violence against women) perspective is the same which is the view of general society in India.

What laws Pakistan has for violence against women?
I ve seen a Discovery documentary that if a man(father,husband or brother) harasses or injures(especially acid attacks) a woman then he may get a clearance if woman spares him off?
And what is the general view of the Pakistani society in this(violence against women) perspective?

NA passes law against women harassment
ISLAMABAD - The National Assembly on Thursday passed “The Protection against Harassment at Workplaces Bill 2009”, to create a safe working environment for the women free of harassment, abuse and intimidation with a view to fulfil their right to work with dignity.
The house also incorporated amendments moved by Dr Attiya Inayatullah into the bill.
Congratulating the House after passage of the Bill, Speaker National Assembly Fehmida Mirza said that it was beauty of democracy that government did not oppose amendments proposed in the bill.
Minister for Law and Parliamentary Affairs Dr Babar Awan said that the incumbent government was all committed for the rights of the women.
Minister further said that those who assassinated Mohtarma Benazir Bhutto did not succeed to stop her motion to empower women of the country. A number of steps were taken by the PPP governments in the past for the rights of the women. The lawmakers of different parties appreciated the bill describing it a way forward to bring 51 per cent population to mainstream.
Appreciating the bill MNAs Riaz Hussain Pirzada, Aftab Sheikh, Shahnaz Wazir Ali, Sherry Rehman, Bushra Gohar, Haider Abbas Rizvi, Ishrat Ashraf, Yasmeen Rehman, Attiya Inayatullah, Munawar Talpur, Khurram Jehangir Wattoo, Dr Zile Huma, Dr Donia Aziz, Noorul Haq Qadri, Nadeem Afzal Chan and other spoke on the occasion. Highlighting the importance of bill, the PPP lawmaker was of the view that the passage of bill as a legacy of Shaheed Benazir Bhutto who struggled to protect rights of women at workplace.
Speaking on the occasion the women legislators also congratulated the government. They also lauded the role of women activists and media and their input in finalising the bill. They also suggested constituting a committee of the parliament to monitor the implementation once the bill becomes an act.
The members from opposition parties including the PML-N and PML-Q also advocated the policies of their parties towards the protection of women rights. They also supported the government in its initiatives
Under this law every organisation would have to constitute a three members inquiry committee with at least one women as member within 30 days of the enforcement of this act to enquire into complaints under this act.


The committee would have to initiate proceedings within three days of receipt of complaints and give its findings in writing to the competent authority within 30 days of initiation of inquiry. If the inquiry committee finds the accused to be guilty it will recommend the competent authority penalties specified in this law which include reduction to a lower post, compulsory retirement, removal from service and dismissal from service.
The respective govt would have to appoint an ombudsperson at the federal and provincial levels who has been a judge of a high court or qualified to be appointed as judge of a high court. The complainant would have option to refer a complaint either to the ombudsperson or the inquiry committee.
Any person aggrieved by a decision of ombudsperson within 30 days of the decision can make an appeal to the President or the Governor.
Under the new law the employers have been bound to ensure implementation of this act, incorporate the code of conduct for protection of employees from harassment as part of their management policy and form the inquiry committee of the organisation.
Earlier during question-hour, Federal Minister for Food and Agriculture Nazar Muhammad Gondal told the lower house that the ministry has established Agriculture Policy Institute (API) to formulate rational price policy for major and minor crops.
Responding to another question, Mir Humayun Aziz Kurd, Minister for Livestock and Dairy Development informed the house that government has strict policy regarding the checking of imported meat quality. There are three microbial testing laboratories operating under Animal Quarantine Department to carry out checks for microbial status of imported meat.
About the deep sea trawlers, he said that government has not granted any license since December, 2005 and maintained that local fishermen are operating in their respective zones.
National Assembly was also informed that two centers for liver transplantation would be shortly functional at Pakistan Institute of Medical Sciences (PIMS) Islamabad and Shaikh Zayed Hospital, Lahore.
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[ek_indian]

the general view of the Pakistani society in this(violence against women) perspective is the same which is the view of general society in India.

Sadly but yes, you are correct upto large extent.
I guess education, women empowerment etc. would be the way to deal with it. As laws are concerned, I guess we have enough of them. Just need to implement them properly.

 

[Spring Onion]

But does it matter if they are specifically targetted? Because in the end there's still more men killed than women. As far as justice goes, the same could be said about the men getting killed.

Rape, I agree, domestic violence, no so, but that's another topic. I am trying to discuss women getting killed and what's so special about them getting killed.

More men are killed by men not women. Whereas the case in point is that women are mostly killed by men for their silly preceptions and anger.

 

[Spring Onion]

the general view of the Pakistani society in this(violence against women) perspective is the same which is the view of general society in India.

Sadly but yes, you are correct upto large extent.
I guess education, women empowerment etc. would be the way to deal with it. As laws are concerned, I guess we have enough of them. Just need to implement them properly.

Agreed laws are there since long. The only problem is the implementation. And sadly the men dominated scenario creates hurdels in the implementation.

Education indeed is needed but i always feel that more than education we need awareness and that too among the men

 

[Ahmad]

But does it matter if they are specifically targetted? Because in the end there's still more men killed than women. As far as justice goes, the same could be said about the men getting killed.



Rape, I agree, domestic violence, no so, but that's another topic. I am trying to discuss women getting killed and what's so special about them getting killed.

My friend, uless you are turning a blind eye, there is a real issue our women are facing. i havent seen any man being a victim of domestic violence, and it is women who are vastly the victim of rape. if a crime takes place agaisnt a man, it is euqally punishable as much as the women's case, but there are certain thing that the women are taking all the hits and not men. women do commit suicide because they cant bear any more abuse, it is a real real issue and need to be addressed.

 

[SMC]

More men are killed by men not women. Whereas the case in point is that women are mostly killed by men for their silly preceptions and anger.

Doesn't make it any better.

 

[SMC]

My friend, uless you are turning a blind eye, there is a real issue our women are facing. i havent seen any man being a victim of domestic violence, and it is women who are vastly the victim of rape. if a crime takes place agaisnt a man, it is euqally punishable as much as the women's case, but there are certain thing that the women are taking all the hits and not men. women do commit suicide because they cant bear any more abuse, it is a real real issue and need to be addressed.

Men don't take about domestic violence against themselves or other men. It's not considered right. However, if you read the report in the link below, you'll find out that domestic violence is not as one sided as you're making it to be.

http://pubpages.unh.edu/~mas2/ID41E2.pdf

Sure, Pakistan is not reported, but even other countries where you think domestic violence is one sided, it turns out it is not.

I am talking about getting killed, how are women taking all the hits? It's totally different than that.

Suicide is heavily disproportionate against men than it is against women, so you don't want to get into that.

 

[Ahmad]

Men don't take about domestic violence against themselves or other men. It's not considered right. However, if you read the report in the link below, you'll find out that domestic violence is not as one sided as you're making it to be.

http://pubpages.unh.edu/~mas2/ID41E2.pdf

Sure, Pakistan is not reported, but even other countries where you think domestic violence is one sided, it turns out it is not.

I am talking about getting killed, how are women taking all the hits? It's totally different than that.

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That report is too long to read them all, but i went through a few lines. As you said it does not mention Pakista which is the topic of this thread. It is mostly about NA, Europe, far east etc. In these countries you expect the women to have a strong say in their relationships, but how about in Pakistan?Afghanistan?India? etc? Women in europe is world apart different compare to the women in asia. so that report doesnt have any place in our discussion. Yes, I agree there might be female violence agaisnt men, but that might be one in 1000.


Suicide is heavily disproportionate against men than it is against women, so you don't want to get into that

What does this mean?

 

[Spring Onion]

SMC no one is stopping anyone or any organisation to take up issue of violence against men but in that case the preparators mostly would be their own gender so its the issue of balance which is missing in our society and many other societies where women are discriminated.

Please dont make it an issue of the ego. Its a reality women are discriminated in a big way and violence against women is such a grave issue which we need to talk and debate instead of shying away.


There should be no shame in debating ills of our society as long as someone wants to debate it for constructive purposes.

 

[Ahmad]

Discrimination and violence against women in our socieites is a sad reality which we need to accept and address it rather than turning a blind eye. There are many men who take pride for beating and supressing their women, it is such a shame. We need to have a wholesale change in our culture and in our attitude when it comes to women. Dont we see some men do commit adultery freely and sometimes they probably talk proudly about it to his male friends, but if a woman do such a thing her place is grave. This was an example i gave. We need to accept that women in majority of cases dont have a voice in our countries. Women can be anyone, they can be our sisters, mothers, friends etc, what if a bastard is violant to our sister who is his wife? it is a reality and we all witness it in our daily lives.

 

[SMC]

That report is too long to read them all, but i went through a few lines. As you said it does not mention Pakista which is the topic of this thread. It is mostly about NA, Europe, far east etc. In these countries you expect the women to have a strong say in their relationships, but how about in Pakistan?Afghanistan?India? etc? Women in europe is world apart different compare to the women in asia. so that report doesnt have any place in our discussion. Yes, I agree there might be female violence agaisnt men, but that might be one in 1000.

It discusses countries like india as well, you know. It's nowhere near as one sided as you think.

As far as "one in 1000" goes, again you're seriously underestimating this.

For instance, domestic violence in western countries is half and half. Now before these studies were done, people thought some 5% of domestic violence was done by women. So people's intuition led them to wrong conclusions. Same can be said about women in other countries. You might intuitively think men are victims very few number of times, but thats your intuition. If official studies are done, you might be shocked by what you find.

I'd still say domestic violence is mostly done by men in Pakistan. However, it's not as one sided as you're making it. I'd say rougly 20-30% is done by women, however it's just an education (and not intuitive) guess.

Suicide is heavily disproportionate against men than it is against women, so you don't want to get into that

What does this mean?

Suicide is done by men far more often. You really don't wanna get into that as it will just make your point weaker.

Jana

How can it be call discrimination if its done against both? Sure, it's done mostly by men, but men are probably more violent against other men. So you cannot call it discrimination.

It's not an issue of ego. My main problem is that a huge deal is made about women facing this, facing that, making it look completely one-sided. It's nothing like that.

 

[Ahmad]

I dont say it is one sided, but in our socieities, it is overwhelmingly against women by the men. and in our daily lives ,all we see ,is violence against women, i havent seen any violence against men myself but i have heard couple of incidents. and rate of suicide might be high among the men(or might not), but it is surely not due to violance against them from their female partners.

 

[SMC]

I dont say it is one sided, but in our socieities, it is overwhelmingly against women by the men.

And that is an assumption. I have shown how previous assumptions about the same thing were wrong.

and in our daily lives ,all we see ,is violence against women, i havent seen any violence against men myself but i have heard couple of incidents.

Men beat up other innocent men quite frequently in Pakistan as well.

and rate of suicide might be high among the men(or might not), but it is surely not due to violance against them from their female partners.

And that's really irrelevant. Are we even remotely trying to tackle the problems that make men commit more suicide? And furthermore, men may not commit many suicides due to violence from women, but it can be due to women in other ways.

 

[Ahmad]

And that is an assumption. I have shown how previous assumptions about the same thing were wrong.

But lets dont compare the western women(in general europe/america) with the ones we have got. we all know that women's conditions are uncomparable in these countries with asia.

Men beat up other innocent men quite frequently in Pakistan as well.

again, it is man's crime against man. i dont know how a woman is invvoled in this unless we have strong evidence.

And that's really irrelevant. Are we even remotely trying to tackle the problems that make men commit more suicide?

Off course it is a problem, and we need to discuse and resolve it separately.

And furthermore, men may not commit many suicides due to violence from women, but it can be due to women in other ways.

what ways?

 

[Saleem]

many years ago, in the late 80's-early90's I think, there were multiple cases of "exploding stoves" where women were getting burned - the reason seemed to be issues of dowry etc - the Govt instituted a policy of automatically registering cases without the victim needing to be a plaintiff etc. I think we need such a policy of automatically registering cases in cases of suspicion of abuse where the Govt takes action and investigates. In addition, the men involved should automatically be suspect until they can prove their innocence. I think this will limit the problem to some extent.