60 years ago: Vietnam remembers

[Rechoice]

It is disgusting that you revise history like this. Who taught and trained you how to fight guerrilla warfare? Don't forget, your Viet Minh went to China to receive special training how to fight this tactic from us.

Ho chi Minh and Giap trained by OSS of USA in 1944 in Vietnam too.

My uncle, who joined in Battle Dien Bien Phu.

Chiến dịch Điện Biên Phủ qua hồi ức vị chỉ huy trinh sát - VnExpress

 

[xunzi]

Ho chi Minh and Giap trained by OSS of USA in 1944 in Vietnam too.

I repeat, your Viet Minh was form in China and trained by the Chinese Communist Revolutionary army. You then used those tactic in Vietnam War. Applied guerrilla tactic is your main strategy. Everything else is secondary nature. The USA helped provide intelligence but soon afterward they back Diem's South VN to fight you. That time, we helped you dig hole, built airstrip, road, communication network, foods, and weapons to keep the guerrilla tactic against the USA.

 

[BoQ77]

Great battle.

One side is China-backed Viet Minh vs US-backed French ...
And the winner is Viet Minh. Viet Minh defeated French finally

Congratulation !!!

 

[cnleio]

Whether supported by China or not, no doubt Vietnam won victory of Dien Bien Phu, the winner belong to Vietnamese.

We should respect the Historical Truth.

 

[BoQ77]

Whether supported by China or not, no doubt Vietnam won victory of Dien Bien Phu, the winner belong to Vietnamese.

We should respect the Historical Truth.

Vietnamese always remember and appreciate any support from Chinese people no matter how long time passed
Vietnamese is not Cambodian ...

 

[Rechoice]

I repeat, your Viet Minh was form in China and trained by the Chinese Communist Revolutionary army. You then used those tactic in Vietnam War. Applied guerrilla tactic is your main strategy. Everything else is secondary nature. The USA helped provide intelligence but soon afterward they back Diem's South VN to fight you. That time, we helped you dig hole, built airstrip, road, communication network, foods, and weapons to keep the guerrilla tactic against the USA.

Vietnamese is master in guerrilla war from time against France Colonial army with many uprising in our history from Colonial time. Batlle Dien Bien Phu is not applied the guerrilla tactic.

Two Items could the guaranteed to our victory:
- How to cheating France Army to choice Dien Bien Phu for the battle location for fighting.
- Applied the tactic to isolate Dien Bien Phu firstly from supply of ammunition, food and résupply of human force ..etc.

So, we can calculate how many day could have to waiting that France Colonial Army is going to accept a surrender.

Whether supported by China or not, no doubt Vietnam won victory of Dien Bien Phu, the winner belong to Vietnamese.
We should respect the Historical Truth.

Vietnamese don't forget what Chinese people did in Vietnam war for us, just don't go to far with fantastic story or lie. Thks for your post.

 

[thanhluan710]

Vietnam Ho Chi Minh
Vietnam Vo Nguyen Giap

 

[xunzi]

Vietnamese is master in guerrilla war from time against France Colonial army with many uprising in our history from Colonial time. Batlle Dien Bien Phu is not applied the guerrilla tactic.

Two Items could the guaranteed to our victory:
- How to cheating France Army to choice Dien Bien Phu for the battle location for fighting.
- Applied the tactic to isolate Dien Bien Phu firstly from supply of ammunition, food and résupply of human force ..etc.

So, we can calculate how many day could have to waiting that France Colonial Army is going to accept a surrender.



Vietnamese don't forget what Chinese people did in Vietnam war for us, just don't go to far with fantastic story or lie. Thks for your post.

You didn't cheat the France for shit. The battle was decided by the France to lure you guys out of the hole; instead with our advice, you manage to listen and mobilized weapons through secret tunnel and hole.

Do you understand the principle of guerrilla tactic, but most importantly Mao guerrilla theory and success that your Uncle Ho and Uncle Vo took lesson from Mao doctrine? The main principle of guerrilla tactic is to fight indirectly, worn out your opponents by prolonging the war, and wait for the perfect opportunity to give a fatal blow to a superior enemy. Everything you do in the Viet Minh war, whether trying to hide among peasant civilian, camouflage, dig hole, or hit and run tactic were nothing extraordinary new to us. It was all taught and trained by us. You did the most fighting. Yes we get it but don't even attempt to undermine our aid and support to you. You kept citing the battle of Dien Bien Phu which is exactly what Guerrilla Tactic final solution was all about. It is a final solution. The battle was also aid by our help, not just weapon support by also strategic and tactical support provided and trained by us to you. Learn...

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The Battle of Dien Bien Phu was the decisive engagement in the first Indochina War (1946–54). After French forces occupied the Dien Bien Phu valley in late 1953, Viet Minh commander Vo Nguyen Giap amassed troops and placed heavy artillery in caves of the mountains overlooking the French camp. Boosted by Chinese aid, Giap mounted assaults on the opposition’s strong points beginning in March 1954, eliminating use of the French airfield. Viet Minh forces overran the base in early May, prompting the French government to seek an end to the fighting with the signing of the Geneva Accords of 1954.

The battle that settled the fate of French Indochina was initiated in November 1953, when Viet Minh forces at Chinese insistence moved to attack Lai Chau, the capital of the T’ai Federation (in Upper Tonkin), which was loyal to the French. As Peking had hoped, the French commander in chief in Indochina, General Henri Navarre, came out to defend his allies because he believed the T’ai “maquis” formed a significant threat in the Viet Minh “rear” (the T’ai supplied the French with opium that was sold to finance French special operations) and wanted to prevent a Viet Minh sweep into Laos. Because he considered Lai Chau impossible to defend, on November 20, Navarre launched Operation Castor with a paratroop drop on the broad valley of Dien Bien Phu, which was rapidly transformed into a defensive perimeter of eight strong points organized around an airstrip. When, in December 1953, the T’ais attempted to march out of Lai Chau for Dien Bien Phu, they were badly mauled by Viet Minh forces.

Viet Minh commander Vo Nguyen Giap,with considerable Chinese aide, massed troops and placed heavy artillery in caves in the mountains overlooking the French camp. On March 13, 1954, Giap launched a massive assault on strong point Beatrice, which fell in a matter of hours. Strong points Gabrielle and Anne-Marie were overrun during the next two days, which denied the French use of the airfield, the key to the French defense. Reduced to airdrops for supplies and reinforcement, unable to evacuate their wounded, under constant artillery bombardment, and at the extreme limit of air range, the French camp’s morale began to fray. As the monsoons transformed the camp from a dust bowl into a morass of mud, an increasing number of soldiers–almost four thousand by the end of the siege in May–deserted to caves along the Nam Yum River, which traversed the camp; they emerged only to seize supplies dropped for the defenders. The “Rats of Nam Yum” became POWs when the garrison surrendered on May 7.

Despite these early successes, Giap’s offensives sputtered out before the tenacious resistance of French paratroops and legionnaires. On April 6, horrific losses and low morale among the attackers caused Giap to suspend his offensives. Some of his commanders, fearing U.S. air intervention, began to speak of withdrawal. Again, the Chinese, in search of a spectacular victory to carry to the Geneva talks scheduled for the summer, intervened to stiffen Viet Minh resolve: reinforcements were brought in, as were Katyusha multitube rocket launchers, while Chinese military engineers retrained the Viet Minh in siege tactics. When Giap resumed his attacks, human wave assaults were abandoned in favor of siege techniques that pushed forward webs of trenches to isolate French strong points. The French perimeter was gradually reduced until, on May 7, resistance ceased. The shock and agony of the dramatic loss of a garrison of around fourteen thousand men allowed French prime minister Pierre Mendes to muster enough parliamentary support to sign the Geneva Accords of July 1954, which essentially ended the French presence in Indochina.

The Reader’s Companion to Military History. Edited by Robert Cowley and Geoffrey Parker. Copyright © 1996 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. All rights reserved.

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Navarre wrote that "Under the influence of Chinese advisers, the Viet Minh commanders had used processes quite different from the classic methods. The artillery had been dug in by single pieces ... They were installed in shell-proof dugouts, and fire point-blank from portholes ... This way of using artillery and AA guns was possible only with the expansive ant holes at the disposal of the Vietminh and was to make shambles of all the estimates of our own artillerymen."

 

[Rechoice]

You didn't cheat the France for shit. The battle was decided by the France to lure you guys out of the hole; instead with our advice, you manage to listen and mobilized weapons through secret tunnel and hole.

Do you understand the principle of guerrilla tactic, but most importantly Mao guerrilla theory and success that your Uncle Ho and Uncle Vo took lesson from Mao doctrine? The main principle of guerrilla tactic is to fight indirectly, worn out your opponents by prolonging the war, and wait for the perfect opportunity to give a fatal blow to a superior enemy. Everything you do in the Viet Minh war, whether trying to hide among peasant civilian, camouflage, dig hole, or hit and run tactic were nothing extraordinary new to us. It was all taught and trained by us. You did the most fighting. Yes we get it but don't even attempt to undermine our aid and support to you. You kept citing the battle of Dien Bien Phu which is exactly what Guerrilla Tactic final solution was all about. It is a final solution. The battle was also aid by our help, not just weapon support by also strategic and tactical support provided and trained by us to you. Learn...

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The Battle of Dien Bien Phu was the decisive engagement in the first Indochina War (1946–54). After French forces occupied the Dien Bien Phu valley in late 1953, Viet Minh commander Vo Nguyen Giap amassed troops and placed heavy artillery in caves of the mountains overlooking the French camp. Boosted by Chinese aid, Giap mounted assaults on the opposition’s strong points beginning in March 1954, eliminating use of the French airfield. Viet Minh forces overran the base in early May, prompting the French government to seek an end to the fighting with the signing of the Geneva Accords of 1954.

The battle that settled the fate of French Indochina was initiated in November 1953, when Viet Minh forces at Chinese insistence moved to attack Lai Chau, the capital of the T’ai Federation (in Upper Tonkin), which was loyal to the French. As Peking had hoped, the French commander in chief in Indochina, General Henri Navarre, came out to defend his allies because he believed the T’ai “maquis” formed a significant threat in the Viet Minh “rear” (the T’ai supplied the French with opium that was sold to finance French special operations) and wanted to prevent a Viet Minh sweep into Laos. Because he considered Lai Chau impossible to defend, on November 20, Navarre launched Operation Castor with a paratroop drop on the broad valley of Dien Bien Phu, which was rapidly transformed into a defensive perimeter of eight strong points organized around an airstrip. When, in December 1953, the T’ais attempted to march out of Lai Chau for Dien Bien Phu, they were badly mauled by Viet Minh forces.

Viet Minh commander Vo Nguyen Giap,with considerable Chinese aide, massed troops and placed heavy artillery in caves in the mountains overlooking the French camp. On March 13, 1954, Giap launched a massive assault on strong point Beatrice, which fell in a matter of hours. Strong points Gabrielle and Anne-Marie were overrun during the next two days, which denied the French use of the airfield, the key to the French defense. Reduced to airdrops for supplies and reinforcement, unable to evacuate their wounded, under constant artillery bombardment, and at the extreme limit of air range, the French camp’s morale began to fray. As the monsoons transformed the camp from a dust bowl into a morass of mud, an increasing number of soldiers–almost four thousand by the end of the siege in May–deserted to caves along the Nam Yum River, which traversed the camp; they emerged only to seize supplies dropped for the defenders. The “Rats of Nam Yum” became POWs when the garrison surrendered on May 7.

Despite these early successes, Giap’s offensives sputtered out before the tenacious resistance of French paratroops and legionnaires. On April 6, horrific losses and low morale among the attackers caused Giap to suspend his offensives. Some of his commanders, fearing U.S. air intervention, began to speak of withdrawal. Again, the Chinese, in search of a spectacular victory to carry to the Geneva talks scheduled for the summer, intervened to stiffen Viet Minh resolve: reinforcements were brought in, as were Katyusha multitube rocket launchers, while Chinese military engineers retrained the Viet Minh in siege tactics. When Giap resumed his attacks, human wave assaults were abandoned in favor of siege techniques that pushed forward webs of trenches to isolate French strong points. The French perimeter was gradually reduced until, on May 7, resistance ceased. The shock and agony of the dramatic loss of a garrison of around fourteen thousand men allowed French prime minister Pierre Mendes to muster enough parliamentary support to sign the Geneva Accords of July 1954, which essentially ended the French presence in Indochina.

The Reader’s Companion to Military History. Edited by Robert Cowley and Geoffrey Parker. Copyright © 1996 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. All rights reserved.

and more...

Navarre wrote that "Under the influence of Chinese advisers, the Viet Minh commanders had used processes quite different from the classic methods. The artillery had been dug in by single pieces ... They were installed in shell-proof dugouts, and fire point-blank from portholes ... This way of using artillery and AA guns was possible only with the expansive ant holes at the disposal of the Vietminh and was to make shambles of all the estimates of our own artillerymen."

don't telling nonsense.

After victory of Dien Bien Phu battle, Vo Nguyen Giap is became very famous General in the world. so its bad for him, he was victim of jealousy of his communist comrades and his enemy.

Vietnamese people respect him, our heroes. his position is only after Ho Chi Minh. Its enough for him and for our nation.

We don't care what trashes made about him.

 

[xunzi]

don't telling nonsense.

After victory of Dien Bien Phu battle, Vo Nguyen Giap is became very famous General in the world. so its bad for him, he was victim of jealousy of his communist comrades and his enemy.

Vietnamese people respect him, our heroes. his position is only after Ho Chi Minh. Its enough for him and for our nation.

We don't care what trashes made about him.

We give you Vietnamese the credit for the majority of the fighting because no matter how much we can train and teach, you will have to do the fighting yourself unless you are losing badly, then we will enter directly to fight like in the Korean War. We can teach and train, but we can't teach you the endurance or the suffering condition living in a hole. This is something that each force has to master within their favorable environment and endure the hardship of a revolutionary war. For instance, the North Korean didn't fight well using guerrilla tactic because they don't have jungle to hide. It is mountain terrain and open land. So we had to enter directly to give support because they were losing badly after a very successful initial campaign.

 

[NiceGuy]

We give you Vietnamese the credit for the majority of the fighting because no matter how much we can train and teach, you will have to do the fighting yourself unless you are losing badly, then we will enter directly to fight like in the Korean War. We can teach and train, but we can't teach you the endurance or the suffering condition living in a hole. This is something that each force has to master within their favorable environment and endure the hardship of a revolutionary war. For instance, the North Korean didn't fight well using guerrilla tactic because they don't have jungle to hide. It is mountain terrain and open land. So we had to enter directly to give support because they were losing badly after a very successful initial campaign.

China army show to the World in 1979 that : Their only know 1 tactic: Human wave... and got killed badly in few weeks .

 

[Rechoice]

We give you Vietnamese the credit for the majority of the fighting because no matter how much we can train and teach, you will have to do the fighting yourself unless you are losing badly, then we will enter directly to fight like in the Korean War. We can teach and train, but we can't teach you the endurance or the suffering condition living in a hole. This is something that each force has to master within their favorable environment and endure the hardship of a revolutionary war. For instance, the North Korean didn't fight well using guerrilla tactic because they don't have jungle to hide. It is mountain terrain and open land. So we had to enter directly to give support because they were losing badly after a very successful initial campaign.

There was cold war. There is conflict of two side Communists and Capitalist Countries. USA backed France and Soviet Union, China and socialist countries helped Vietnam.

you are brainwashed by propaganda in China, do less talk more. This debate is again again repeated on this forum. Soviet Union supplied most of weapons to Vietnam. But Russian people don't calculate like policy smuggler like Chinese.

Vietnamese people know well about that, what China people helped Vietnam, what is not. We are grateful for chinese people who heped us but we know well mentality of such Chinese politicians, used such help to make Vietnam to be puppet of China, fighting against Imperialist to last Vietnamese and let China bargain with our enemy in back of Vietnam.

 

[XName]

Two war veterans travelled to the former Dien Bien battlefield to commemorate their comrades.

good pictures.respect to those who died for their country.
I like history and some old things by the way.

HO CHI MINH. Do you know he share the same surname with our former president HU jin tao,Both are 胡

 

[Viet]

We give you Vietnamese the credit for the majority of the fighting because no matter how much we can train and teach, you will have to do the fighting yourself unless you are losing badly, then we will enter directly to fight like in the Korean War.

We can teach and train, but we can't teach you the endurance or the suffering condition living in a hole. This is something that each force has to master within their favorable environment and endure the hardship of a revolutionary war. For instance, the North Korean didn't fight well using guerrilla tactic because they don't have jungle to hide. It is mountain terrain and open land. So we had to enter directly to give support because they were losing badly after a very successful initial campaign.

Don´t try to fake history. You are a liar. You are not only clueless but shameless.

Lay off the CCP propaganda for a while. How do you want to teach us in warfare if your fighting skill sucks? Check yourself your performances in wars against the foreigners!

Chinese help and assistance just made up a small portion of our victory over the French.

You probably don´t know that Vietnamese army implemented guerrilla tactic for the first time when fighting with the British. Fighting with the French came later.

Ten thousands of Vietnamese fought on the French side on battle fields in France against the German army during the WW I. After the war, many came back to Vietnam. We learned from the French how a modern army operated.

And of course, you certainly don´t know that many Vietnamese went to Japan to learn the warfare. as we wanted to know how they could defeat a white nation, the Russian empire.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Nice Hmong girl