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5500 Sex Videos of female students of Islamia University of Bahawalpur Recovered, Retired Neutral and Minister Son also Involved !!!

This is trickle down effect.

When army itself is involved in making sex videos of politicians to blackmail them and when former army chief Bajwa threatens IK by making the sex videos public of his party men and when Bajwa boost of how he keeps the sex videos of his opponents in his phone and when Mariam Nawaz records the sex videos of judges to get favor in her corruption cases and when the sex videos of Zubair Umer surfaces and still he brings his lanti face on tv and when sex video of Gharida Faroqi became public but she still appears on the tv with her fat face and when private videos of Azam Swati was sent to his family but no one ever get punished then people will do what the elite is doing in the country.

The country has turned into Kanjar khana.
 
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This is trickle down effect. When army itself is involved in making sex videos of politicians in order to blackmail them and when former army chief Bajwa threatens IK by making the sex videos public of his party men and when Bajwa boost of how he keeps the sex videos of his opponents in his phone and when Mariam Nawaz records the sex videos of judges to get favor in her corruption cases and when the sex videos of Zubair Umer surfaces and still he brings his lanti face on tv and when sex video of Gharida Faroqi became public but she still appears on the tv with her fat face and when private videos of Azam Swati was sent to his family with not one ever get punished then people will do what the elite is doing in the country.

The country has turned into Kanjar khana.
there is an easy solution -- ignore the sex videos and focus on policy/substance.
 
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I still do support that. Anarchism, mob violence leads to nothing different than what was seem in Swat where beheadings on just “he said” “she said” whimsical excuses were daily news.

The people of Lal Masjid took a valid concern that at the end of the day required MANY more heads to roll before it could ever be addressed.

Massage parlors don’t pop up without demand - Heera Mandi moved from the old neighborhood to DHA Lahore.. if you Lal Masjid the whole DHA down.. it will move elsewhere and it WONT STOP.

Instead of addressing which government offical, LE , top to bottom enables this. Who allows human trafficking, what compels girls into this situation - and so on. The solution of burning it down doesn’t work.

Using the muslim angle on me isn’t inciting any emotional response bhai - this is a process, politics and socioeconomics issue. Address it with a multi pronged approach.

Saaray Punjab mein Roza khulnay ka baad mujray ho rahe hain - kardo wahan bhi laal masjid - kiss kiss gaon mein jao gay? It happens in KP and Sindh and elsewhere… let all Lal Masjids loose.

It happened with the Taliban during their first hard core regime ! This wasn’t some western report but a story in Pakistani newspapers - a schoolteacher became a prostitute in this “Islamic emirate” because she needed to feed her children…and her most frequent visitors were Taliban young ones.. your lal masjid youth who wanted to do it for free otherwise they would report her.. you think killing her would stop it? She said she knew of many others.
Your country’s agency boasts of honey traps all the time!! Where do you think they find the girls for it!???

Don’t bring Islam into everything especially in the context of the loose cannons of Lal Masjid or otherwise. It has nothing to do there - you can convert every latin American migrant to Islam at the border and it wont stop them from getting in with MS-13 to rob your business. Just “building a wall!” Wont do it - just fixing the immigration system wont do it, just helping latin American countries get their shit together or penalizing the politicians and interests here in the US that profit from instability wont do it, and for sure as shit giving letting some redneck yee haw with AR-15s and the bible to defend the border wont either.

Unless you can fix institutions, fix laws and implement them. Giving youth charged with misguided extreme versions of religion or feeling sad about girls being exploited or engaging in such activities is just useless.

Finding a virgin girl or at the least one who hasn’t had a flaunting affair in Pakistan’s own society, elite or poor is now getting difficult and you’re talking about tackling the oldest immoral activity known to mankind after murder.

Applying lib or terrorist labels wont fix it either - address it systematically and with zero emotion or prejudice.,

Agreed. And sensible take.
 
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This is trickle down effect.

When army itself is involved in making sex videos of politicians in order to blackmail them and when former army chief Bajwa threatens IK by making the sex videos public of his party men and when Bajwa boost of how he keeps the sex videos of his opponents in his phone and when Mariam Nawaz records the sex videos of judges to get favor in her corruption cases and when the sex videos of Zubair Umer surfaces and still he brings his lanti face on tv and when sex video of Gharida Faroqi became public but she still appears on the tv with her fat face and when private videos of Azam Swati was sent to his family with no one ever get punished then people will do what the elite is doing in the country.

The country has turned into Kanjar khana.
There's no basic sense of morality, values left in certain low-class people
 
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there is an easy solution -- ignore the sex videos and focus on policy/substance.

These videos are used to blackmail people. There cannot be focus on policy/substance due to immorality, exploitation, and blackmailing.
 
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I am not a supporter, but was highlighting the fact that when government does not take action, the citizens do. I’m not for mob mentality/justice but as @SQ8 mentioned when the government is not taking action, eventually anarchy ensues.
If you have kids you will understand the analogy of walking into a situation where your toddler has gotten access to paint in a room full of stuff that will permanently stain.

You don’t even know where to start cleaning things up and you sure cannot do it on your own because the toddler wont sit still and keep making things worse.

It is a two parent job to both clean out things systematically, lock up the paint and also hold the toddler down while doing it.

Unfortunately in Pakistan’s case - its ten toddlers and the parents themselves are both joining in the fun or just cleaning their own seat to leave the room quietly in the future.
 
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Is there any proof that these girls were forced?

They may be doing this voluntarily for fun, fame or finances.

It is still a CRIME and a CRIMINAL ACT, whoever's "fault" it is.

This attitude is so appalling in this day and age. Rape is a crime almost akin to murder - it is very much like the death of the soul. For you to blame the victims of rape? Words fail me.
 
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well, if you ask Signalian, he will say that because the fauji was "Tall and Graceful" thats why the girls were lining up to have s** with him.
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If you have kids you will understand the analogy of walking into a situation where your toddler has gotten access to paint in a room full of stuff that will permanently stain.

You don’t even know where to start cleaning things up and you sure cannot do it on your own because the toddler wont sit still and keep making things worse.

It is a two parent job to both clean out things systematically, lock up the paint and also hold the toddler down while doing it.

Unfortunately in Pakistan’s case - its ten toddlers and the parents themselves are both joining in the fun or just cleaning their own seat to leave the room quietly in the future.

In Punjabi we say, taaali do hath naal vaj di..

Translation: it takes two hands to clap.
 
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These videos are used to blackmail people. There cannot be focus on policy/substance due to immorality, exploitation, and blackmailing.
blackmail is an issue only if society and you care. if nobody cares it is kind of hard to blackmail :-) In America the rules on sex are simple - no minors, no force, no animals ( :D )

As far as falling birthrate in USA there are other issues in addition to sexual morality - economic stress on lower skilled males, child support requirements, bad parenting etc. We need better social support for divorced families and better education on personal finance. the biggest reason for divorce is incompatibility on finance not sex in USA.

It is still a CRIME and a CRIMINAL ACT, whoever's "fault" it is.

This attitude is so appalling in this day and age. Rape is a crime almost akin to murder - it is very much like the death of the soul. For you to blame the victims of rape? Words fail me.

It is a fair question how much coercion was involved
 
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I agree with the rest of your post. However, I want to address the above. I know one girl out of New Jersey born and educated in Pakistan who, while in a hostel, was raped by an instructor and two other boys several times. She kept silent, and I asked her why?

She responded that even if I told my family, they automatically would have assumed I had relations and brought it upon myself. She said parents need to be more educated and that it's not always the girl's fault; most rapes and sexual crimes happen without the girl's consent.

So, due to this and social stigma, they stay silent.

We as a society have ourselves to blame for making our females vulnerable.

This is 110% correct. I recently visited this country only due to extreme necessity, and I know from first hand accounts the miserable lives of our Pakistani women, girls and boys. The lives of Pakistani girls have been made hell. They have no rights, no protection, no source of income, and hence they are exploited by everyone but most importantly by our rogue Military.

The very moral and religious fabric of this country has been destroyed thanks to our Military Occupiers. And once the GEL that held this country together is gone, which was the religion, this country is doomed to destruction and will NOT exist as a single entity in the future.
 
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This is trickle down effect.

When army itself is involved in making sex videos of politicians to blackmail them and when former army chief Bajwa threatens IK by making the sex videos public of his party men and when Bajwa boost of how he keeps the sex videos of his opponents in his phone and when Mariam Nawaz records the sex videos of judges to get favor in her corruption cases and when the sex videos of Zubair Umer surfaces and still he brings his lanti face on tv and when sex video of Gharida Faroqi became public but she still appears on the tv with her fat face and when private videos of Azam Swati was sent to his family but no one ever get punished then people will do what the elite is doing in the country.

The country has turned into Kanjar khana.

No doubt about it. The country has become a huge cesspit of sexual exploitation. And don't forget they call themselves ISLAMIC Republic ! These disgusting people are low-lifes using Islam as their front Signage and then committing heinous crimes against innocent women, girls and boys. Even Satan would be terrified of these disgusting, vile people.
 
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