Featured 5 Rounds of Failed Talks & Indian Army Prepares for Long Haul: The Implications

[Bawag]

Summarised Analysis points copied from the article:

1. India’s newly appointed Chief of Defence Staff (CDS) General Bipin Rawat, along with his top commanders, told an all-party parliamentary Public Accounts Committee (PAC) last week that the military de-escalation process with China would be a long drawn out matter.
2. Official sources told The Wire that the PLA has refused to pull back from slivers of territory it occupies along the Pangon Tso (Lake) and the strategically located Depsang Plains to its north to a depth of some 25-30 km in keeping with its 1959 claim line that led to the border war three years later.
3. Many senior retired and serving army officers, believe that this upcoming deployment is merely a forerunner to debilitatingly rendering the LAC into another ‘hot’ disputed border, akin to the Line of Control or LoC in Kashmir, that India can ill afford.

Open Points For PDF Members' Discussion:

1. Assuming no 'hot war scenario', If PLA decides to stay forever, it will make sure that IA also ante-up on the required infrastructure for LAC. Consequently, it would mean that IA will also stay there forever, digging deep and securing the LAC till Siachen! How would it affect Pakistan in-terms of Siachen dispute?
2. Considering the current situation, for IA, LAC turns into another LOC-oriented dispute which will require India to move troops & equipment from LOC to LAC, how can PA take leverage from this situation at LOC?

https://thewire.in/security/ladakh-indian-army-pla-winter-general-rawat

 

[atan651]

Between China and India, the use of force is the only solution for a lasting peace!

 

[Figaro]

India hardly has the money or the construction capability to up the ante on LAC infrastructure ... I believe one of their roads in Ladakh took well over a decade to complete. Besides, doing so would only give the Chinese another reason to increase their own infrastructure build up and we all know how adept Chinese infrastructure capabilities are. A build up on the LAC is something India can ill afford. It would be like a Model T trying to compete with a modern race car lol given the sad state of India's construction/logistics department.

 

[PakFactor]

Summarised Analysis points copied from the article:

1. India’s newly appointed Chief of Defence Staff (CDS) General Bipin Rawat, along with his top commanders, told an all-party parliamentary Public Accounts Committee (PAC) last week that the military de-escalation process with China would be a long drawn out matter.
   
2. Official sources told The Wire that the PLA has refused to pull back from slivers of territory it occupies along the Pangon Tso (Lake) and the strategically located Depsang Plains to its north to a depth of some 25-30 km in keeping with its 1959 claim line that led to the border war three years later.
   
3. Many senior retired and serving army officers, believe that this upcoming deployment is merely a forerunner to debilitatingly rendering the LAC into another ‘hot’ disputed border, akin to the Line of Control or LoC in Kashmir, that India can ill afford.

Open Points For PDF Members' Discussion:

1. Assuming no 'hot war scenario', If PLA decides to stay forever, it will make sure that IA also ante-up on the required infrastructure for LAC. Consequently, it would mean that IA will also stay there forever, digging deep and securing the LAC till Siachen! How would it affect Pakistan in-terms of Siachen dispute?
2. Considering the current situation, for IA, LAC turns into another LOC-oriented dispute which will require India to move troops & equipment from LOC to LAC, how can PA take leverage from this situation at LOC?

https://thewire.in/security/ladakh-indian-army-pla-winter-general-rawat

Pakistan has few options it can deploy consecutively together in the Siachen dispute to make the cost heavy for the Indians in terms of life, money and material and with minimal cost of life, money and material.

1) Allow the Indians to reinforce this territory with their personal and equipment.
2) Pakistan side deploy artillery and rockets (GPS guided) and start random border shots, and target their posts.

Note: Do not hold back as we aren't at the risk of losing Muslim life in this particular region once we strike.

This will force the Indians into losing life and equipment and it'll bleed the Indians down over time. This will make the Indians feel squeezed -- this action wouldn't force any heavy movement on the LAC as in their planning they see China as the bigger threat. They are under the impression Pakistan is contained with what they have at the moment, and realistically their's not much reinforcement they can do in the region they already have a 1M+ military station their. India however could put armor at the border and we should respond in kind as well -- but at the moment Pakistan really needs to ramp up armor production or acquire from China and speed up training and tactics; train more anti-armor teams with portable launchers and missiles to counter the Indian forces.

While India talks about a 2 front war they know it's not possible if they face a Chinese 1M+ Army, Air Force and then Pakistan on the other side as well.

@PanzerKiel

 

[pothead]

Just a minor correction ->

It's not just India which is preparing for a long haul,
Even China & PLA is doing the same.

We will force China to move substantial presence away from it's eastern border.

 

[Dark1]

India hardly has the money or the construction capability to up the ante on LAC infrastructure ... I believe one of their roads in Ladakh took well over a decade to complete. Besides, doing so would only give the Chinese another reason to increase their own infrastructure build up and we all know how adept Chinese infrastructure capabilities are. A build up on the LAC is something India can ill afford. It would be like a Model T trying to compete with a modern race car lol given the sad state of India's construction/logistics department.

Construction on the Tibet border is a waste of money as the border is 3000 km long.
India needs other ways of deterrence, just building border roads is a waste of resources.
I would prefer a thinly guarded border as before but a very heavy air component , which punishes every incursion with aerial bombing.

 

[ayodhyapati]

Summarised Analysis points copied from the article:

1. India’s newly appointed Chief of Defence Staff (CDS) General Bipin Rawat, along with his top commanders, told an all-party parliamentary Public Accounts Committee (PAC) last week that the military de-escalation process with China would be a long drawn out matter.
   
2. Official sources told The Wire that the PLA has refused to pull back from slivers of territory it occupies along the Pangon Tso (Lake) and the strategically located Depsang Plains to its north to a depth of some 25-30 km in keeping with its 1959 claim line that led to the border war three years later.
   
3. Many senior retired and serving army officers, believe that this upcoming deployment is merely a forerunner to debilitatingly rendering the LAC into another ‘hot’ disputed border, akin to the Line of Control or LoC in Kashmir, that India can ill afford.

Open Points For PDF Members' Discussion:

1. Assuming no 'hot war scenario', If PLA decides to stay forever, it will make sure that IA also ante-up on the required infrastructure for LAC. Consequently, it would mean that IA will also stay there forever, digging deep and securing the LAC till Siachen! How would it affect Pakistan in-terms of Siachen dispute?
2. Considering the current situation, for IA, LAC turns into another LOC-oriented dispute which will require India to move troops & equipment from LOC to LAC, how can PA take leverage from this situation at LOC?

https://thewire.in/security/ladakh-indian-army-pla-winter-general-rawat

no problem ,
we will keep them busy at LAC and indian ocean . hope america will come along .

 

[arjunk]

hope america will come along

Trust me, don't

 

[KAI KAI Baloch]

Summarised Analysis points copied from the article:

1. India’s newly appointed Chief of Defence Staff (CDS) General Bipin Rawat, along with his top commanders, told an all-party parliamentary Public Accounts Committee (PAC) last week that the military de-escalation process with China would be a long drawn out matter.
   
2. Official sources told The Wire that the PLA has refused to pull back from slivers of territory it occupies along the Pangon Tso (Lake) and the strategically located Depsang Plains to its north to a depth of some 25-30 km in keeping with its 1959 claim line that led to the border war three years later.
   
3. Many senior retired and serving army officers, believe that this upcoming deployment is merely a forerunner to debilitatingly rendering the LAC into another ‘hot’ disputed border, akin to the Line of Control or LoC in Kashmir, that India can ill afford.

Open Points For PDF Members' Discussion:

1. Assuming no 'hot war scenario', If PLA decides to stay forever, it will make sure that IA also ante-up on the required infrastructure for LAC. Consequently, it would mean that IA will also stay there forever, digging deep and securing the LAC till Siachen! How would it affect Pakistan in-terms of Siachen dispute?
2. Considering the current situation, for IA, LAC turns into another LOC-oriented dispute which will require India to move troops & equipment from LOC to LAC, how can PA take leverage from this situation at LOC?

https://thewire.in/security/ladakh-indian-army-pla-winter-general-rawat

In my opinion IA will more more divisions towards Kashmir and will try to maintain a huge presence of soldiers even more than what it is at the moment...
secondly, they will never escalate against china!! period, only action if they take will be against Pakistan.....
In case of war IA know Pakistan thrust will be in Kashmir and will not open the border to the south...
the only thing to do is to dilute IA in northern sector by opening the sourthern sector.....

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

Just a minor correction ->

It's not just India which is preparing for a long haul,
Even China & PLA is doing the same.

We will force China to move substantial presence away from it's eastern border.

How? By allowing China to move 8 feet forward and accepting 2 feet back?

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

... I would prefer a thinly guarded border as before but a very heavy air component , which punishes every incursion with aerial bombing.

What about PLAAF's carpet bombing of Indian positions?

 

[pothead]

How? By allowing China to move 8 feet forward and accepting 2 feet back?

We are not you to gift our territory,

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

TOO LATE!

india has already conquered and annexed large swathes of indian territory...........:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...are-km-india-ladakh-simmering-tensions-erupt/

https://thekashmirwalla.com/2020/05...square-kilometres-to-china-in-a-month-report/

https://eurasiantimes.com/china-has...f-indian-land-in-ladakh-arunachal-india-govt/

 

[Figaro]

I would prefer a thinly guarded border as before but a very heavy air component , which punishes every incursion with aerial bombing.

What you are saying is tantamount to India declaring war on China for a border intrusion ... you do know the result of this will be the Indian cession of J&K, AP, Sikkim, and Ladakh? Think before you speak. The Chinese killed 22 to 50 Indian soldiers, captured 60 more and now occupy hundreds of square kilometers of Indian territory and the Indian government decides to retaliate with half hearted economic measures.

What about PLAAF's carpet bombing of Indian positions?

India does not even have any dedicated bomber aircraft ... meanwhile the Chinese have the H-6K and other fighter bombers like the JH-7A. The only one who has the capability to perform carpet bombing is the PLAAF.

 

[arjunk]

PA should pull a cold start on India in the south, cutting off Kashmir. Defending, especially in mountians, is no issue, even less for us. India is digging its own grave.