5 reasons why India should not join the War on ISIS

[$@rJen]

5 reasons why India should not join the War on ISIS






Saturday, January 17, 2015

By : DailyO




Ever since he has become the prime minister, Narendra Modi's exploits have never ceased to amaze everyone. Right from holding audiences spellbound with his enthralling speeches to announcing Make in India programme, he has hardly spared any opportunity to project India as an emerging superpower.

• Ever since he has become the prime minister, Narendra Modi's exploits have never ceased to amaze everyone. Right from holding audiences spellbound with his enthralling speeches to announcing Make in India programme, he has hardly spared any opportunity to project India as an emerging superpower. But his latest proposed exploit might turn out to be a disaster.
  
  Today, Tehelka published an article which states that India will be sending troops to fight the ISIS in Iraq and Syria and an official announcement might be made during US President Obama's Republic Day visit. Apparently, this decision has been taken by the Modi government at the Vibrant Gujarat Summit, which was attended by US Secretary of State John Kerry and it has been a long pending demand of the US government.
  
  Well, although truly ambitious, it is totally not advisable for India to engage in a war against ISIS.
  
  Here are five reasons why:
  
  1. No prior experience on foreign soil: Unlike the US and other Western nations, India doesn't have any experience in foreign combat missions and fighting on foreign soil. On the other hand, US and NATO troops have been constantly engaging in various wars such as in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, etc, but Indian troops do not have any prior experience in engaging in combat missions. India's only foreign mission was in Sri Lanka, when Rajiv Gandhi sent Indian Peace Keeping Forces to curb tensions between Liberation of Tamil Tigers Eelam (LTTE) and Sri Lankan government. The three year engagement resulted in the loss of more than 1,200 soldiers and allegedly led to the assassination of Rajiv Gandhi.
  
  2. Dealing with Pakistan: At a time when Pakistan has not stopped financing and sending terrorists to India despite the Peshawar attack, such a mission would dilute India's focus on Pakistan sponsered terror. With the recent ceasefire violations and the terror boat blow-up near Gujarat coast, it appears that Pakistan would continue to support terror groups like Lashkar to propagate violence against India. Therefore, India should continue to fight Pakistani terror with the same intensity and force. Any complacency could result in terrible repercussions.
  
  3. Internal insurgencies: Naxalism has affected India badly and its growth in northern states is a cause for serious concern. Present in almost 223 districts across 20 states, it continues to bleed India and none of the previous governments hasn’t been able to broker peace with them. Moreover, the recent massacre of tribals by Bodo militants reiterated the importance to tackle the menace of North-East insurgent groups. India’s internal insurgencies pose a serious threat to India’s integrity and sovereignty, which still haven’t been tackled completely and therefore, Modi’s proposed plan will severely endanger India’s internal security.
  
  4. Enormous costs: A foreign mission in Iraq and Syria will cost the Indian exchequer massively. As per estimates, the US government spends $300,000/hour for their air strikes against the ISIS, which is definitely unaffordable for India. Recently, India’s health budget, which is already extremely low, was slashed, citing lack of money. Hence, at a time when India’s financial situation is not positive, engaging in a war against ISIS will be a financial debacle. Instead, the government should focus on spending the country’s resources into sectors like health, education, child development, social welfare programs, etc.
  
  5. Breeding ground for terror groups: The forced conversion issue is already being leveraged as an issue by Muslim extremist and fundamentalist groups to recruit more members. Sending troops to Iraq and Syria might further cause resentment among the Indian Muslims and provide the opportune breeding ground for ISIS as well as Indian terror groups like Indian Mujahideen, Students Islamic Movement of India, etc which will further increase the possibility of Jihadi attacks in India.

 

[Zarvan]

5 reasons why India should not join the War on ISIS






Saturday, January 17, 2015

By : DailyO




Ever since he has become the prime minister, Narendra Modi's exploits have never ceased to amaze everyone. Right from holding audiences spellbound with his enthralling speeches to announcing Make in India programme, he has hardly spared any opportunity to project India as an emerging superpower.

• Ever since he has become the prime minister, Narendra Modi's exploits have never ceased to amaze everyone. Right from holding audiences spellbound with his enthralling speeches to announcing Make in India programme, he has hardly spared any opportunity to project India as an emerging superpower. But his latest proposed exploit might turn out to be a disaster.
  
  Today, Tehelka published an article which states that India will be sending troops to fight the ISIS in Iraq and Syria and an official announcement might be made during US President Obama's Republic Day visit. Apparently, this decision has been taken by the Modi government at the Vibrant Gujarat Summit, which was attended by US Secretary of State John Kerry and it has been a long pending demand of the US government.
  
  Well, although truly ambitious, it is totally not advisable for India to engage in a war against ISIS.
  
  Here are five reasons why:
  
  1. No prior experience on foreign soil: Unlike the US and other Western nations, India doesn't have any experience in foreign combat missions and fighting on foreign soil. On the other hand, US and NATO troops have been constantly engaging in various wars such as in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, etc, but Indian troops do not have any prior experience in engaging in combat missions. India's only foreign mission was in Sri Lanka, when Rajiv Gandhi sent Indian Peace Keeping Forces to curb tensions between Liberation of Tamil Tigers Eelam (LTTE) and Sri Lankan government. The three year engagement resulted in the loss of more than 1,200 soldiers and allegedly led to the assassination of Rajiv Gandhi.
  
  2. Dealing with Pakistan: At a time when Pakistan has not stopped financing and sending terrorists to India despite the Peshawar attack, such a mission would dilute India's focus on Pakistan sponsered terror. With the recent ceasefire violations and the terror boat blow-up near Gujarat coast, it appears that Pakistan would continue to support terror groups like Lashkar to propagate violence against India. Therefore, India should continue to fight Pakistani terror with the same intensity and force. Any complacency could result in terrible repercussions.
  
  3. Internal insurgencies: Naxalism has affected India badly and its growth in northern states is a cause for serious concern. Present in almost 223 districts across 20 states, it continues to bleed India and none of the previous governments hasn’t been able to broker peace with them. Moreover, the recent massacre of tribals by Bodo militants reiterated the importance to tackle the menace of North-East insurgent groups. India’s internal insurgencies pose a serious threat to India’s integrity and sovereignty, which still haven’t been tackled completely and therefore, Modi’s proposed plan will severely endanger India’s internal security.
  
  4. Enormous costs: A foreign mission in Iraq and Syria will cost the Indian exchequer massively. As per estimates, the US government spends $300,000/hour for their air strikes against the ISIS, which is definitely unaffordable for India. Recently, India’s health budget, which is already extremely low, was slashed, citing lack of money. Hence, at a time when India’s financial situation is not positive, engaging in a war against ISIS will be a financial debacle. Instead, the government should focus on spending the country’s resources into sectors like health, education, child development, social welfare programs, etc.
  
  5. Breeding ground for terror groups: The forced conversion issue is already being leveraged as an issue by Muslim extremist and fundamentalist groups to recruit more members. Sending troops to Iraq and Syria might further cause resentment among the Indian Muslims and provide the opportune breeding ground for ISIS as well as Indian terror groups like Indian Mujahideen, Students Islamic Movement of India, etc which will further increase the possibility of Jihadi attacks in India.

I agree to most of it

 

[SrNair]

I agree to most of it

And that is why it is not gonna happen.
Maximum would be a training arrangments for Iraq troops .Nothing more than that.

 

[Abingdonboy]

1. No prior experience on foreign soil: Unlike the US and other Western nations, India doesn't have any experience in foreign combat missions and fighting on foreign soil. On the other hand, US and NATO troops have been constantly engaging in various wars such as in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, etc, but Indian troops do not have any prior experience in engaging in combat missions. India's only foreign mission was in Sri Lanka, when Rajiv Gandhi sent Indian Peace Keeping Forces to curb tensions between Liberation of Tamil Tigers Eelam (LTTE) and Sri Lankan government. The three year engagement resulted in the loss of more than 1,200 soldiers and allegedly led to the assassination of Rajiv Gandhi.

What about the countless UN peacekeeping missions the Indian Military has been deployed on on foreign soil?

2. Dealing with Pakistan: At a time when Pakistan has not stopped financing and sending terrorists to India despite the Peshawar attack, such a mission would dilute India's focus on Pakistan sponsered terror. With the recent ceasefire violations and the terror boat blow-up near Gujarat coast, it appears that Pakistan would continue to support terror groups like Lashkar to propagate violence against India. Therefore, India should continue to fight Pakistani terror with the same intensity and force. Any complacency could result in terrible repercussions.

Nonsense, there is more than enough spare capacity in the Indian Military to maintain security in JK, NE and send on a foreign deployment. Again, has this reporter forgotten about India's UN missions in the past where it has had thousands of troops and support equipment on foreign deployment?

This is, in fact, the very reason RR was created, so the IA had a permeant CI force for JK dedicated entirely to COIN and thus not bogging the entire IA down in that task and freeing it to perform conventional missions.

3. Internal insurgencies: Naxalism has affected India badly and its growth in northern states is a cause for serious concern. Present in almost 223 districts across 20 states, it continues to bleed India and none of the previous governments hasn’t been able to broker peace with them. Moreover, the recent massacre of tribals by Bodo militants reiterated the importance to tackle the menace of North-East insurgent groups. India’s internal insurgencies pose a serious threat to India’s integrity and sovereignty, which still haven’t been tackled completely and therefore, Modi’s proposed plan will severely endanger India’s internal security.

The IA is not engaged in the anti-naxal fight. A deployment of Indian military abroad wouldn't impact the anti-naxal fight or the NE COIN operations in anyway shape or form.

4. Enormous costs: A foreign mission in Iraq and Syria will cost the Indian exchequer massively. As per estimates, the US government spends $300,000/hour for their air strikes against the ISIS, which is definitely unaffordable for India. Recently, India’s health budget, which is already extremely low, was slashed, citing lack of money. Hence, at a time when India’s financial situation is not positive, engaging in a war against ISIS will be a financial debacle. Instead, the government should focus on spending the country’s resources into sectors like health, education, child development, social welfare programs, etc

The US is always going to be spending an enormous and inflated figure per hour, it would be far cheaper for the Indian military and if it serves India's interests (IF) then cost should never be a consideration in matters of national security.

5. Breeding ground for terror groups

The one part I agree with, this move would create blowback.

 

[Blue_Eyes]

Except point No. 1 (we have every kind of experience and capability) , all are reasonable points and India should not take part in war against ISIS.

 

[Hephaestus]

5 reasons why India should not join the War on ISIS






Saturday, January 17, 2015

By : DailyO




Ever since he has become the prime minister, Narendra Modi's exploits have never ceased to amaze everyone. Right from holding audiences spellbound with his enthralling speeches to announcing Make in India programme, he has hardly spared any opportunity to project India as an emerging superpower.

• Ever since he has become the prime minister, Narendra Modi's exploits have never ceased to amaze everyone. Right from holding audiences spellbound with his enthralling speeches to announcing Make in India programme, he has hardly spared any opportunity to project India as an emerging superpower. But his latest proposed exploit might turn out to be a disaster.
  
  Today, Tehelka published an article which states that India will be sending troops to fight the ISIS in Iraq and Syria and an official announcement might be made during US President Obama's Republic Day visit. Apparently, this decision has been taken by the Modi government at the Vibrant Gujarat Summit, which was attended by US Secretary of State John Kerry and it has been a long pending demand of the US government.
  
  Well, although truly ambitious, it is totally not advisable for India to engage in a war against ISIS.
  
  Here are five reasons why:
  
  1. No prior experience on foreign soil: Unlike the US and other Western nations, India doesn't have any experience in foreign combat missions and fighting on foreign soil. On the other hand, US and NATO troops have been constantly engaging in various wars such as in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, etc, but Indian troops do not have any prior experience in engaging in combat missions. India's only foreign mission was in Sri Lanka, when Rajiv Gandhi sent Indian Peace Keeping Forces to curb tensions between Liberation of Tamil Tigers Eelam (LTTE) and Sri Lankan government. The three year engagement resulted in the loss of more than 1,200 soldiers and allegedly led to the assassination of Rajiv Gandhi.
  
  2. Dealing with Pakistan: At a time when Pakistan has not stopped financing and sending terrorists to India despite the Peshawar attack, such a mission would dilute India's focus on Pakistan sponsered terror. With the recent ceasefire violations and the terror boat blow-up near Gujarat coast, it appears that Pakistan would continue to support terror groups like Lashkar to propagate violence against India. Therefore, India should continue to fight Pakistani terror with the same intensity and force. Any complacency could result in terrible repercussions.
  
  3. Internal insurgencies: Naxalism has affected India badly and its growth in northern states is a cause for serious concern. Present in almost 223 districts across 20 states, it continues to bleed India and none of the previous governments hasn’t been able to broker peace with them. Moreover, the recent massacre of tribals by Bodo militants reiterated the importance to tackle the menace of North-East insurgent groups. India’s internal insurgencies pose a serious threat to India’s integrity and sovereignty, which still haven’t been tackled completely and therefore, Modi’s proposed plan will severely endanger India’s internal security.
  
  4. Enormous costs: A foreign mission in Iraq and Syria will cost the Indian exchequer massively. As per estimates, the US government spends $300,000/hour for their air strikes against the ISIS, which is definitely unaffordable for India. Recently, India’s health budget, which is already extremely low, was slashed, citing lack of money. Hence, at a time when India’s financial situation is not positive, engaging in a war against ISIS will be a financial debacle. Instead, the government should focus on spending the country’s resources into sectors like health, education, child development, social welfare programs, etc.
  
  5. Breeding ground for terror groups: The forced conversion issue is already being leveraged as an issue by Muslim extremist and fundamentalist groups to recruit more members. Sending troops to Iraq and Syria might further cause resentment among the Indian Muslims and provide the opportune breeding ground for ISIS as well as Indian terror groups like Indian Mujahideen, Students Islamic Movement of India, etc which will further increase the possibility of Jihadi attacks in India.

I think India should help the Peshmerga. Give them all manner of support in the fight against IS, FSA and Assad.

 

[SrNair]

I think India should help the Peshmerga. Give them all manner of support in the fight against IS, FSA and Assad.

Only for training.Nothing more than that.

 

[sancho]

Only for training.Nothing more than that.

Why not joint the air campaign and send some Jags over there? Shouldn't cost us too much, the Jags are capable enough and it's not that bad for our pilots either to gain operational experience.

 

[SrNair]

Why not joint the air campaign and send some Jags over there? Shouldn't cost us too much, the Jags are capable enough and it's not that bad for our pilots either to gain operational experience.

Why should we want an unnecessary attention from that ruthless IS dogs?You know that Indian workers are still in ME including unstable Iraq and Syria .
If we did that they will go for a kidnapping and killing spree of Indians in there .
A training program is Ok or maximum ,sending of some special forces for some secret ops.
Otherwise we would be in a lot of trouble.Not only us but also the entire SA.

 

[T90TankGuy]

Its the policy of India not to interfere into other countries, us sending troops? Not going to happen.

 

[sancho]

Why should we want an unnecessary attention from that ruthless IS dogs?

For the same reasons you already mentioned! They already have threatened to attack India, they already have kidnapped Indian workers and nurses and we have an interest in a stable middle east, not to mention that even training Iraqis or selling them weapons is reason enough for them against us, if they would need a reason anyway. Terrorists "create" their own reasons and arguments, which don't have to be valid, they only have to sound good in the minds that are open for such BS.
So since we already are involved and we have an interest to stop them to increase their influence in the region and if that's the case we have to take responsibility in actions too. I wouldn't provide ground forces either, but air power, logistics and training, or like the Russians do, sell them 2nd hand fighters.

Its the policy of India not to interfere into other countries, us sending troops? Not going to happen.

True, but this is concerns Indians too and the more influence the IS gets in the middle east, the more Indians will be effected, be it in terms of jobs, be it a direct threat to their lifes, India could even be effected by limited oil supply and so on.

 

[senses]

Except point No. 1 (we have every kind of experience and capability) , all are reasonable points and India should not take part in war against ISIS.

You don't have every kind of experience, the experience we are talking about is fighting against terrorism on others soil.

 

[T90TankGuy]

For the same reasons you already mentioned! They already have threatened to attack India, they already have kidnapped Indian workers and nurses and we have an interest in a stable middle east, not to mention that even training Iraqis or selling them weapons is reason enough for them against us, if they would need a reason anyway. Terrorists "create" their own reasons and arguments, which don't have to be valid, they only have to sound good in the minds that are open for such BS.
So since we already are involved and we have an interest to stop them to increase their influence in the region and if that's the case we have to take responsibility in actions too. I wouldn't provide ground forces either, but air power, logistics and training, or like the Russians do, sell them 2nd hand fighters.



True, but this is concerns Indians too and the more influence the IS gets in the middle east, the more Indians will be effected, be it in terms of jobs, be it a direct threat to their lifes, India could even be effected by limited oil supply and so on.

IMHO Its a lose lose situation for us , for instance lets say we do get involved , then we are inviting these isis idiots to strike our assets in the middle east. As of now they haven't really harmed any Indian interests(not to say they wont later)

 

[Blue_Eyes]

You don't have every kind of experience, the experience we are talking about is fighting against terrorism on others soil.

Indian Army United Nations peacekeeping missions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
but still I feel there is no need to fight against ISIS, because let them suffer more, the US, the NATO and middle east.
Its none of our business, we only need to prevent psychos from India to join/support IS(which we have done like that fb guy and that majeed), rest is ok.

 

[sancho]

IMHO Its a lose lose situation for us , for instance lets say we do get involved , then we are inviting these isis idiots to strike our assets in the middle east. As of now they haven't really harmed any Indian interests(not to say they wont later)

They did harmed our interests as mentioned earlier and they already have threatened India directly too:

ISIS takes aim at India now, urges Muslims to fight for their dignity

And they keep doing it:

Fresh message at Mumbai airport threatens ISIS attack on Republic Day : India, News - India Today

So it's not like we jump into something, that isn't there already, but we would be wise to counter a current threat, before it gets bigger and not containable anymore.