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5,000-year old rock art found in Kashmir is likely the oldest depiction of a supernova

How are these two stars and not too moons?
Well they cannot be possibly be two stars or two moons as we have always had one a piece, so the best possible explanation is a nearby supernova explosion which could shine as brightly or almost as brightly as the sun or moon.Kudos sir
NB: nearby means hundreds of light years:p:
 
Well they cannot be possibly be two stars or two moons as we have always had one a piece, so the best possible explanation is a nearby supernova explosion which could shine as brightly or almost as brightly as the sun or moon.Kudos sir
NB: nearby means hundreds of light years:p:

Depends on you look at it.

In the end its a calculated guess work. Who knows its some ancient 3d photograph.

You should always assume its a yahoodzzzz saajish
 
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Imagine looking up at the sky one night and finding two moons. If it happened in 2017, Twitter would be abuzz with people posting photos. News channels would get astronomers to explain what’s happening, and they’d say it’s not a supernatural phenomenon but likely an exploding star—a supernova. Within hours, telescopes would have nailed down the exact star that suffered the dreadful fate. And then, likely for weeks to come, you’d be able to enjoy the presence of a very, very, very bright star in the sky.

Now imagine seeing the same sight 5,000 years ago. Nobody in your tribe has any clue why there’s suddenly an extra super-bright object in the night sky. There are no records, written or pictorial, to consult. However, curious as you and your tribemates might be, you aren’t going to risk asking someone in the rival tribe nearby. All you could do is wonder about the oddity—and perhaps try to represent it through your favorite artistic medium.

Scientists say this is likely what happened back in 3600 BC. Astrophysicist Mayank Vahia and his colleagues at the Tata Institute of Fundamental Research believe a rock painting found in what is today part of the Kashmir region of south Asia is the oldest record of a supernova and likely the oldest sky chart ever drawn. The artwork shows two bright objects in the sky, with figures of animals and humans underneath. A study detailing the discovery has been published in the Indian Journal of History of Science (pdf). (Vahia also spoke about the discovery for the podcast The Intersection.)

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Photograph of stone carving from Burzahom. (IGCNA)
Vahia began the study by taking many steps backwards. Rock art is difficult to date with precision, but Vahia had a solid starting point. The rock was buried in a wall (though hidden from view of residents) of a house that had already been dated to around 2100 BC. The oldest known settlement in the region was founded around 4100 BC. So the rock art is likely to have been made sometime between those two millennia—then inadvertently used to construct a new dwelling.

Next, Vahia needed to understand why someone would draw two bright objects in the sky. It couldn’t be two suns, because we have and have always had only one. It couldn’t be the sun and the moon, because although it’s possible to see both solar objects in the sky at the same time, a full moon can never appear so close to the sun. (From Earth, we see the moon as “full” when it’s on the direct opposite side the planet as the sun.) The only remaining explanation, Vahia figured, was a supernova: if one exploded relatively nearby our solar system (hundreds or few thousands of light years away), it could shine as bright as the sun or the moon.

Of course, this explanation only makes sense if there actually was a supernova bright enough to have been visible on Earth between 4100 BC and 2100 BC. The good news was that Vahia had a way to accurately identify many of supernovas of the past thousands of years.

When a supernova explodes, it releases a lot of energy. The energy we can see with the naked eye—that is, visible light—is only a small fraction of what the explosion produces. The supernova continues to emit high-intensity X-rays for hundreds and thousands of years. Astronomers have been able to track down these supernova remnants and calculate when and how big the stellar explosion would have likely been.

With all constraints set, the database gave Vahia just one option: supernova HB9. It seemed to have all the right characteristics. Its explosion would have been visible on Earth around 3600 BC. At the time of its explosion, it would have appeared to Earthlings as a glowing ball—though not perfectly round—and just a little less bright than a full moon (because it was only about 2,600 light years away).

There’s even better proof to be found when you look more closely at the artwork. The figures underneath the supernova and the moon on the rock painting aren’t part of a hunting scene, as it might seem at first glance. Instead, Vahia’s analysis shows they neatly fit the constellations that surrounded the supernova: The man with the bow and arrow on the left is Orion; the stag is Taurus; the man on the right holding a spear is part of Pisces; and the dog is the Andromeda galaxy. In other words, the rock art is likely a sky chart and, if it is, it would be the oldest sky chart on record.

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(Vahiya et al)
There is just one problem. Working with the Indira Gandhi National Centre for the Arts, Vahia has studied many more pieces of rock art from the region, but couldn’t find any other sky charts. Though the rock art analyzed here fits quite well with what the sky might have looked like back then, it could also be just a big coincidence. To prove it’s not, Vahia would need a second example. If the people in the region drew a star chart once, they must have drawn it many more times for other kinds of celestial events (such as comets passing or meteor showers).

That is why, on its own, Vahia’s rock painting isn’t enough to definitively prove itself to be the oldest human-made star chart and supernova record. Still, Vahia is confident that as more rock art emerges from the region, he will find the additional evidence needed to solidify the claim.


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it's two eyes watching all :p:
 
No brother, this is not correct definition and it is later crafted so that they steel Indus people identity. The original definition of Hindu is that it is diversify from Word Indu or Indu river and its original meaning is people who lived near Indu river (River Indus). Later they used these terms for religion and the original word of their religion is Vaishnavism, Shaivism, Shaktism and Smartism. They crafted the word Hindu (first given by people of Persia) to use as religion to show that they are in majority in Subcontinent to get more share then they deserve. Now the question is that if this word Hindu meaning religion then they are following whom? actually each of of four above deny each others. So how can you called it Hindu religion when they are not accepting each other unlike in Islam or Christianity or Jews. We have different opinion in different things but we all say Allah is one and Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) is his messenger, which is not there in case of them


I am student of comparative religions and i am doing research on that more then 5 years and still learning. Share me your views to understand you batter. Regarding cramped of few hundred verses, that is the beauty of Quran and its define thing correctly and very composed and when we start writing about it then one whole chapter will be bigger then anything.
If that's your extend of research, then I think you didn't research enough to understand few basic concepts. Shaivism or worship of Shiva, Vishu worshippers, Shaktism or worship of Shakti (energy in female form or simply energy), Smarta or worship of other deities, are all branching out from Rigveda. Some 4000 years ago. Your idea of different religions cannot be applied in here.
Although there were instances when the division between worshippers were taking wrong turns.
Until 9th century it was more or less divided. Before the arrival of Christianity/Islam Hinduism was united and Hindu never considered it as a religion. It was part of their life. Whatever branding was later given to identify, it was not for us, but for them.
I don't wanna discuss about Quran or Islam since it's not concerning the thread.
 
If that's your extend of research, then I think you didn't research enough to understand few basic concepts. Shaivism or worship of Shiva, Vishu worshippers, Shaktism or worship of Shakti (energy in female form or simply energy), Smarta or worship of other deities, are all branching out from Rigveda. Some 4000 years ago. Your idea of different religions cannot be applied in here.
Although there were instances when the division between worshippers were taking wrong turns.
Until 9th century it was more or less divided. Before the arrival of Christianity/Islam Hinduism was united and Hindu never considered it as a religion. It was part of their life. Whatever branding was later given to identify, it was not for us, but for them.
I don't wanna discuss about Quran or Islam since it's not concerning the thread.
I did my part very well and i just want to limited the discussion based on word Hindu only which divert from Indu or River Indus. This word Hindu was given by Englishmans who define that as a native or inhabitant of Indus river. So basically you guys are not Sindhi or Sindhu you can't claimed to be them. If you guys say that we are Vedist or your religion is Vedism or Brahmanism (which is correct terminologies) then i don't have any objection what so ever, Plus vedic maximum time frame given is 1500BC which mean it is not 4000 years but 3500 years. 500 years is a big margin for the student of history.
 
I did my part very well and i just want to limited the discussion based on word Hindu only which divert from Indu or River Indus. This word Hindu was given by Englishmans who define that as a native or inhabitant of Indus river. So basically you guys are not Sindhi or Sindhu you can't claimed to be them. If you guys say that we are Vedist or your religion is Vedism or Brahmanism (which is correct terminologies) then i don't have any objection what so ever, Plus vedic maximum time frame given is 1500BC which mean it is not 4000 years but 3500 years. 500 years is a big margin for the student of history.
Few inaccuracies

Hindu was not name given by English man. Secondly Indus valley Civilization was the name given by English man. There is not one historical accounts which name Indus valley as such (not According to ivc). The name is Sindhu is not the people but the river Indus. And the Arabian Sea is actually Sindhu Sagar.

And as a student of history, 3500 years is inaccurate. It is based on some historical events like migration of aryan race (which may have happened).
But the Hindus at the time were smart enough to include the position of stars and constallations on several occasions to denote an event and these events are nowhere close to your 1500BC.

Lastly, don't rediscover neo leftist words like Brahminism, vedism. There are no such things. Also Brahman is one who attained knowledge in vedic terms. We are not claiming to be anyone.
 
Few inaccuracies

Hindu was not name given by English man. Secondly Indus valley Civilization was the name given by English man. There is not one historical accounts which name Indus valley as such (not According to ivc). The name is Sindhu is not the people but the river Indus. And the Arabian Sea is actually Sindhu Sagar.

And as a student of history, 3500 years is inaccurate. It is based on some historical events like migration of aryan race (which may have happened).
But the Hindus at the time were smart enough to include the position of stars and constallations on several occasions to denote an event and these events are nowhere close to your 1500BC.

Lastly, don't rediscover neo leftist words like Brahminism, vedism. There are no such things. Also Brahman is one who attained knowledge in vedic terms. We are not claiming to be anyone.

Can you post your source with independent source other then Indian?.
 
Can you post your source with independent source other then Indian?.
For which one you want sources? For Indus being called Sindhu or the time and dates that actually predates scientific predictions. I'm afraid in both cases I have to quote the vedas. Which probably you wouldn't agree because it's vedas and having Indian source that studies it.

Anyway, a civilization cannot burst into advanced writing that involves complex mathematical calculations, philosophy, music, medicine, animal and human health care and medications, rhinoplasty, plant health etc... Into 4 books written on leaves, In the span of few hundred years.
 
For which one you want sources? For Indus being called Sindhu or the time and dates that actually predates scientific predictions. I'm afraid in both cases I have to quote the vedas. Which probably you wouldn't agree because it's vedas and having Indian source that studies it.

Anyway, a civilization cannot burst into advanced writing that involves complex mathematical calculations, philosophy, music, medicine, animal and human health care and medications, rhinoplasty, plant health etc... Into 4 books written on leaves, In the span of few hundred years.
I asked a simple question of your claim. Prove it with references
 
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