400 + Taliban eacape from Kandahar prision

[Abu Zolfiqar]

This is pure negligence from America, then they dare question us that we don't do enough. First look after your own border before looking at others.

well ISAF as a whole is temporarily in charge of those borders....the borders belong to Afghans in actuality. I do agree that it is an absurd policy to blame Pakistan when insurgents cross into Afghanistan to carry out attacks; but when terrorists from NATO-controlled Afghanistan cross into our boundary we are accused of allowing them safe-haven

it's a totally one-sided, self-serving view on things....and in fact, it's hypocrisy at best.

 

[53fd]

consipracy theory to its height, dont forget that the same taliban who are attacking pakistan, have actually attacked afghan villages and disctricts in kunar and nuristan, their attack came in similar or even larger number.

and why would these newly freed taliban create a problem in balouchistan? they are supposedly being good taliban.

Ahmad listen, you might think I support Taliban or whatever. That's the last thing I do. I hate the Taliban, I'm a Shia moderate, & I wish that Afghanis get whatever they want, whether its the Taliban or someone else. I know for a fact that the Karzai regime isn't popular either. Whether it's more or less popular than the Taliban, I think the Afghan people should get to decide that, not me.

Anyways, my point is that the Taliban are ethnic Afghan Pashtuns, & I feel the best way to tackle them is for Afghanis for themselves to decide whether they support them or not. It is not for Pakistan or anyone else to decide. Fighting the Taliban is a lost cause for America, because they will end up destroying their own country, Afghanistan & Pakistan, & affect India as well because of this war.

And lastly, Pakistan does not support the Taliban, never has. It however does not go after certain Taliban factions that are not a threat to it, even if they might be a threat or whatever to Afghanistan. Doesn't mean it supports them either. It is none of Pakistan's concern, & I can understand that. However, you realize yourself that there is practically no Afghan government, & it is America running the affairs of the country, & literally destroying both Afghanistan & Pakistan, as well as itself.

If you can get the Taliban to talk peacefully & come to a resolution, that is the ideal situation, as they are your own people. I wish the Afghan people all the best, & if they don't want a Taliban government, so be it. The TTP are very minuscule in number, & can be targeted easily by the Pakistan Army if America stops with its drone attacks that kills innocent civilians, & creates more Taliban than kills them.

 

[DesiGuy]

400.......where were the security guys?

 

[Time Assassin]

350Meters!!!!! Thats a supertall is it was a skyscraper. I thought Taliban wouldn't build things, only blow it up.

 

[Ahmad]

Similarly, there were recent events that took place where Afghan terrorists infiltrated from Khost, Afghanistan & conducted operations in North Waziristan.


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There is no good Taliban, however there are certain factions of the Taliban that are not against the state of Pakistan, & Pakistan doesn't attack them (doesn't mean it supports them either!). There are others that get their safe havens in Kunar, Nuristan; & attack Mohmand, Bajaur Agencies & Dir respectively. This has been shown in the last few days. Qari Zia Rahman of the TTP operates from Nuristan & Kunar, Afghanistan & conducts attacks in Bajaur & Mohmand Agencies, Pakistan. You know that Taliban somehow 'escaped' from Nuristan, & killed 19 troops in Dir, Pakistan. These are not conspiracy theories, all you need to do is look at a map & see the porous Afghan-Pakistan border.

They didnt escape, but they launched an attack on pakistani forces, the same taliban have attacked afghan and nato forces in the past, they have captured districts in kunar/nuristan and one happened very recently while around 300 of them attacked and captured one of the districts:


Police in the eastern Afghan province of Nuristan have called for help after fierce clashes with hundreds of Taliban fighters they say are from Pakistan.

Seven Taliban and two policemen have been killed in the fighting so far, the Afghan interior ministry says.

Officials say nearly 300 insurgents led by Pakistani Taliban leader Maulana Fazlullah entered the area this week.

Maulana Fazlullah led the Taliban in Pakistan's north-western Swat valley until a military offensive in 2009.

The Pakistani military retook the area and he was reported to have been killed, but in an interview with the BBC in November Maulana Fazlullah said that he had escaped to Afghanistan.

'Brazen'

The Afghan interior ministry spokesman said that police in Nuristan had asked the authorities in Kabul for support and forces had been sent to help them.

Officials have described the attack on Barg-e-Matal district as "brazen".

Nuristan governor Jamaloddin Badr said intense fighting was still raging in the district between police and Maulana Fazlullah's men.

Reports say the insurgents attacked the district government building and a small police force has been trying to hold them off.

Gen Mohammad Qasim Jangulbagh, the provincial police chief, told the Associated Press: "There are many fewer police than attackers but we have the locals helping us."

He said police had asked for reinforcements, but they were still to arrive.

Tribal areas in north-western Pakistan have long been seen as a safe haven for Taliban militants who cross the border to launch attacks in Afghanistan.

BBC News - Pakistan Taliban 'attack eastern Afghan district'




Pakistani Taliban attack Afghan district, one dead’

KABUL: “Pakistan-based Taliban” attacked a remote Afghan district on Saturday, the Afghanistan government said. “Pakistani Taliban began attacks on Bargi Matal district from 11am. The fighting continues,” the Interior Ministry said in a statement released on Saturday evening. The attack was launched from Pakistan’s adjoining Chitral area, it said.

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan



and only a few days ago intelligence sources warned the gov that 2 districts in kunar/nuristan is in a week position and the taliban might any time attack and capture them, they were talking about Chapa Darah and Manogi districts, the report is in persian and you can see the help of people in here who speaks persian:

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Similarly, I see this ploy of letting 400+ militants from Kandahar escape to target the Quetta Shoora in Balochistan, Pakistan; as the US sees Mullah Umar & the Quetta Shoora as its biggest threat.

It's no surprise that two of the biggest prisoner 'escapes' happened in a matter of days. Coincidence? Not really. That's my perspective though, & I can see the NATO forces playing a dirty game in Afghanistan at the behest of both Afghanistan & Pakistan

I dont know why you are so uneasy about this jailbreak? You have said it yourself that Afghani Taliban are no any threat to Paksitan, all of these guys are Afghani Taliban and not the TTP. They wont target their own bosses in Quetta or elsewhere because they mananged their escape in the first place, the taliban have accepted responsibility of this jailbreak.


While the Taliban says it freed 541 inmates, government officials say 475 people escaped. About 30 inmates are reported to have voluntarily stayed in the prison.


According to a Taliban statement, only three prisoners had advance knowledge of the escape plan. Inmates began moving through the tunnel at 11:00 p.m. on Sunday night and finished at 3:30 a.m. on Monday morning. Suicide bombers and other militants reportedly waited to attack if the operation was discovered, but were recalled after the completion of the mission.

Taliban tunnel frees Kandahar prisoners, in blow to NATO and Afghan forces - Yahoo! News

 

[53fd]

They didnt escape, but they launched an attack on pakistani forces, the same taliban have attacked afghan and nato forces in the past, they have captured districts in kunar/nuristan and one happened very recently while around 300 of them attacked and captured one of the districts:

They got a free pass from Afghanistan, which is why they came in huge numbers from Nuristan, Afghanistan into Dir, Pakistan; killing 19 troops at the border.

There are different Taliban groups, some focus on attacking Afghanistan, some are specifically targeting Pakistan. Maulana Fazlullah has openly declared Jihad against Pakistan, & his TTP faction 'the TSNM' has been responsible for most attacks inside Pakistan as well. Pakistan banned the TSNM ages ago, & is currently busy fighting it. The TSNM also from time to time goes inside Afghanistan to attack the NATO troops. However, it does not get a free pass from Pakistan at all, unlike the US forces that have hardly employed any troops in Nuristan (as well as Khost, Kunar that are responsible for huge terrorists' infiltration into Pakistan) despite it being a Taliban stronghold & concentrated its war efforts in Kandahar. Before the international forces talk about safe havens in Pakistan, they need to look at the safe havens in Afghanistan & realize that they have done far less to tackle them than Pakistan has.

I dont know why you are so uneasy about this jailbreak? You have said it yourself that Afghani Taliban are no any threat to Paksitan, all of these guys are Afghani Taliban and not the TTP.

There is no knowing who these people are. All militants are known as the 'Taliban' without realizing that there is no one thing as the Taliban, and that there are many Taliban factions that are hostile towards each other. I'm not being uneasy, but there is a dirty game being played at both the behest of Afghanistan & Pakistan, & eventually at the behest of America. 470 jailed people don't disappear & escape out of thin air. Anyways, that is just how I see things in the recent 'events'/showdowns between the CIA & the ISI, & I can see this event as a NATO ploy to achieve what it thinks it 'wants'.

 

[Emmie]

ISI must have been behind this prison break... Hehehe

 

[Ahmad]

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They got a free pass from Afghanistan, which is why they came in huge numbers from Nuristan, Afghanistan into Dir, Pakistan; killing 19 troops at the border.

There are different Taliban groups, some focus on attacking Afghanistan, some are specifically targeting Pakistan. Maulana Fazlullah has openly declared Jihad against Pakistan, & his TTP faction 'the TSNM' has been responsible for most attacks inside Pakistan as well. Pakistan banned the TSNM ages ago, & is currently busy fighting it. The TSNM also from time to time goes inside Afghanistan to attack the NATO troops. However, it does not get a free pass from Pakistan at all, unlike the US forces that have hardly employed any troops in Nuristan (as well as Khost, Kunar that are responsible for huge terrorists' infiltration into Pakistan) despite it being a Taliban stronghold & concentrated its war efforts in Kandahar. Before the international forces talk about safe havens in Pakistan, they need to look at the safe havens in Afghanistan & realize that they have done far less to tackle them than Pakistan has.

I personally dont see a single Taliban group not attacking nato and afghan forces, they might like/dislike pakistan, but they got one thing in common to attack nato/afghan forces. if they attack you, they attack us as well in large numbers, if afghan forces had the power with their rusty weapons with no significant fire power, they would have stopped them taking our districts. and dont forget the safe havens of the taliban NW coordinating attacks in our territory.

There is no knowing who these people are. All militants are known as the 'Taliban' without realizing that there is no one thing as the Taliban, and that there are many Taliban factions that are hostile towards each other. I'm not being uneasy, but there is a dirty game being played at both the behest of Afghanistan & Pakistan, & eventually at the behest of America. 470 jailed people don't disappear & escape out of thin air. Anyways, that is just how I see things in the recent 'events'/showdowns between the CIA & the ISI, & I can see this event as a NATO ploy to achieve what it thinks it 'wants'

The escape have been confirmed by Qari Yousuf Ahmadi and Zabihullah Mujahid who are known to be the Quetta shura guys, unless you have got another thing to dispute their claim.

Taliban stages mass jail-break in Kandahar - Central & South Asia - Al Jazeera English

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[red_baron]

this release not escape is a part of greater game...i.e negotiating a safe exit before next general elections in USA

 

[TEXAS BATTLESTAR]

I would like to know how did they get enough oxygen down into that narrow 350m tunnel for the 400+ escapees in one night?

 

[Evil Flare]

I would like to know how did they get enough oxygen down into that narrow 350m tunnel for the 400+ escapees in one night?

they don't need oxygen ... they are made up of something else .

 

[Dance]

Expect more on attacks in Pakistan

What a joke the ANA and afghan government is!

 

[Green Bullet]

well ISAF as a whole is temporarily in charge of those borders....the borders belong to Afghans in actuality. I do agree that it is an absurd policy to blame Pakistan when insurgents cross into Afghanistan to carry out attacks; but when terrorists from NATO-controlled Afghanistan cross into our boundary we are accused of allowing them safe-haven

it's a totally one-sided, self-serving view on things....and in fact, it's hypocrisy at best.

I totally agree it is hypocrisy at its best. The Nato forces specifically America have a tendency to blame Pakistan, and even though they don't control the border it is there duty to do so, instead of residing in there small bases. Pakistan has sacrificed alot in the last 7 years, are economy, Soilders and civilians have suffered immensely, and the only reward we get from America is that we are not doing enough, and that we are an extremists state.

Sometimes unfortunate events transpire however it is obvious that the Afghan Army has corruption within its institution, because this event would not have occured in the first place. President Karzai speculates on a continious basis that Pakistan is the aggressor, but he fails to look at his own back yard. The next time he complains about Pakistan he should think twice before he speaks, otherwise he looks like a petulant child, that uses excuses when things don't go in his way. People like Ahmed may disagree but that is my opinion.