3 Reasons Modi Is Misguided on Pakistan

[Ammyy]

LOL ! (thats the reply you really deserve)

That only proves your frustration nothing else .... Why your army banned media on LOC?

 

[RazPaK]

That only proves your frustration nothing else .... Why your army banned media on LOC?

Which media outlet was banned from the LoC?

 

[notsuperstitious]

Literally not ONE reply on the points raised by the OP. Even if this is a thread posted by an Indian that questions GOI's current stance.

Its deplorable that so called think tanks are essentially just trolls posting off topic comments and flaming and deviating and playing ''thank each other'' with known trolls.

@Bang Galore i think its a difficult decision is it not regarding what to do with Pakistan. While I'm not a fan of escalating matters, i do not necessarily agree with the assertion that pakistan stops india's rise or that inability to ''control'' our neighborhood affects our standing. China has troubles in the neighborhood, and so does the US.

But as I said, I'm in favor of deescalation, as I see no benefit in escalation. The pakistanis will thank us profusely if we give them a reason to stop the internal bloodshed and provide an external kafir enemy. Also, the real battle is not being fought on the battlefield, but on roads, schools and hospitals. That war we need to win.

 

[Kompromat]

Which media outlet was banned from the LoC?

The one Indian media told him that we did.

 

[RazPaK]

The one Indian media told him that we did.

 

[GURU DUTT]

The one Indian media told him that we did.

so sir what according to you is ground reality = what is modies plans about pakistan ?

please be brief and precise

 

[kadamba-warrior]

Yes he does share stage with Imran Khan during rallies and is often seen with him during his political campaign. You have to ask yourself, though, is sharing stage analogous to having the same ultimate political agenda? You seem like an intelligent guy, i'm assuming you know how politics work. Temporary alliances are made and broken overnight. For Shekh Rasheed, siding himself with IK means a chance to regain popularity and poilitical stature which he has so pathetically lost over the years. I won't bore you with boring political details but trust me when i say Shiekh Rasheed is not someone people take very seriously here. He's like the equivalent of Swarmi/ Swami or whatever his name was or Baal Thakuray, to be honest. Also neither Imran khan nor any other politician is stupid enough to instigate a nuclear war with India, just like the guys at your side. Feeding off of prevalent public hate for India is one thing, doing something as drastic as launching a nuclear strike is another.

I hate to disagree but a person important enough to share the stage regularly with Imran Khan is important enough to be taken seriously now -- and more so in future, should IK become the PM.

You can actually accuse Swamy and Thakre's of a million things -- but not of perpetrating Nuclear Holocaust on Pakistan!!

As far as I know, no Indian Politician threatened Pakistan in general and Pakistani Muslims in particular of Nuclear Holocaust.
Just for a second, imagine the hue and cry it would have generated among the Islamic world if an Indian Politician threatened the same on Pakistani Muslims.

Feeding off of prevalent public hate for India is one thing, doing something as drastic as launching a nuclear strike is another.

Isn't it akin to suggesting that we should take threats like this seriously only if there is an actual Nuclear attack?

 

[Kompromat]

so sir what according to you is ground reality = what is modies plans about pakistan ?

please be brief and precise

• He is doing what he was voted in for. Trying to be 'tough' with Pakistan. (Because that is the biggest problem Indians face which needs immediate attention)
  
  
• He cancelled the bilateral dialogue unilaterally to basically tell Nawaz Sharif to go and stuff himself, despite his pro India overtures which are mainly designed for securing his personal wealth in India.
  
  
• After the embarrassment Modi faced when the Chinese soldiers again invaded Indian territory, set up camps and danced around while the Premier was in New Delhi being sweet talked by Modi, he had to save face by opening guns on the LoC so people forget about his weakness towards China. The matter of fact you can as @Chinese-Dragon - i actually joked about it when that happened that his next step would be to start firing on Pakistan to regain his image, which is precisely what happened.
  
  
• Indian media - literally all of it - is readily available for blaming Pakistan before even the firing begins so there is no accountability which allows Mr Modi to pull off his tricks and get away with it.

On this side of the border, it has greatly benefited the school of thought which had predicted that a Modi run India will be Pakistan's enemy and any hopes of a truce or resolution under a strong govt lead by Modi are unfounded. Modi had an opportunity when despite our strong opposition we supported Sharif's visit to Modi's throning ceremony. After this episode the later school of thought in Pakistan now stands defeated. I guess they didn't expect this to happen this quick. They thought that Modi, once in in office with this much vote bank behind him would prove to be a statesman like Mr Vajpayee than a Demagogue.

 

[Hareeshu IA MBT]

[ QUOTE="Chinese-Dragon, post: 6371767, member: 29684"]I'm curious why Indians are always avoiding this simple question?

After the "aggressive shelling" on the border (as it says in the article), Modi yelled "the enemy is screaming".

So who is the enemy, and why are they screaming?

TE="Chinese-Dragon, post: 6371767, member: 29684"]I'm curious why Indians are always avoiding this simple question?

After the "aggressive shelling" on the border (as it says in the article), Modi yelled "the enemy is screaming".

So who is the enemy, and why are they screaming?[/QUOTE]
Ok let me tell you in ur terms . Loc firing stated by Pakistan with shelling medium to large size shells into Indian territory. Few villagers were killed . India warned Pakistan of retaliation with full force and it was conveyed to the Pakistan govt the next day but firing from other side continued . In the Night india started it's offense . Selling nearly 63 shelters and destroying it fully or partial . And pushed back pak rangers deep into its territory. The radio line hacked by Indian Army which gave us insight of losses and rangers request to stop ceasefire violation from Pakistan side itself . Because Indian shelling continued untill zero bullets (from Shell) from Pakistan side. So later few days Modi at a public gathering mentioned that . Indian Army was given free hand and the replied with full force. The damage caused was massive . More than 40/80(as I forgot exact numbers) rangers and more civilian casualties . Which was evident when Pak Army said same number of civilians killed.(one or two than India casualties) and media was banned inside the zone . All new media was warned not to publish . My question is why ?

RECENTLY AN ACCIDENTAL CROSS OVER BY A CIVILIAN WHO WAS LATER KILLED BY INDIAN ARMY WAS PUBLISHED IN ALL THE NEW CHANEL IN PAKISTAN.

SO WHY PAK ARMY BANNED MEDIA TO COVER THE LOSSES INFLICTED BY INDIAN ARMY ????

 

[GURU DUTT]

• He is doing what he was voted in for. Trying to be 'tough' with Pakistan. (Because that is the biggest problem Indians face which needs immediate attention)
  
  
• He cancelled the bilateral dialogue unilaterally to basically tell Nawaz Sharif to go and stuff himself, despite his pro India overtures which are mainly designed for securing his personal wealth in India.
  
  
• After the embarrassment Modi faced when the Chinese soldiers again invaded Indian territory, set up camps and danced around while the Premier was in New Delhi being sweet talked by Modi, he had to save face by opening guns on the LoC so people forget about his weakness towards China. The matter of fact you can as @Chinese-Dragon - i actually joked about it when that happened that his next step would be to start firing on Pakistan to regain his image, which is precisely what happened.
  
  
• Indian media - literally all of it - is readily available for blaming Pakistan before even the firing begins so there is no accountability which allows Mr Modi to pull off his tricks and get away with it.

On this side of the border, it has greatly benefited the school of thought which had predicted that a Modi run India will be Pakistan's enemy and any hopes of a truce or resolution under a strong govt lead by Modi are unfounded. Modi had an opportunity when despite our strong opposition we supported Sharif's visit to Modi's throning ceremony. After this episode the later school of thought in Pakistan now stands defeated. I guess they didn't expect this to happen this quick. They thought that Modi, once in in office with this much vote bank behind him would prove to be a statesman like Mr Vajpayee than a Demagogue.

1. Modi came on onli on anty corruption ,devlopment and good governnce plank not anty pakistan plank

2. modi first asked NS to come and talk over owtstanding matters and from day one said it will be bilatereal talks and no third party would be involved and NS agreed on it and for that dint met with hurriat leaders when he came in may

why he changed his taktiks well we all know when ever there are problems for pakistani rulers on home front they rake up kashmir issue and this time too even just weeks before secratorry level talks inspite of south blocks repeated pleas to pakistani ambassador not to meet hurriat pakistani ambassador went ahead with his plans to sabotabe the talks

and now pakistan is plying a victim card

3. as for china its there modus oprrendy that whenver there is a high level chinese delegatation is visoting india or vice versa suddenlli thre establishment starts a new round of incursions inside dispweuted territorry and go back as soon as delegatioons have gone back = moral of the story is chinese establishment just like pakistani establishment doesnt wants a stable peace deal

and india not retaliating to china like what it does to pakistan well we all know why (china is more powerfull than india) and we indians know how to deal with a powerfull enemy withowt compromising owr principals and thats the main reason despite border issuses things are getting to a logical end with chinese and will be sorted owt sooner than most pakistanies want to belave

4. now about media well Modi is realli hated in indian private media and there backing thinktanks and NGOs cause he has stopped all there privlages & holidays and tax subsidies + ever since there is scrutinisng of there funds started there international aid is also dried up = so they try t create hysteria against modi govt by exploiting indian patriotism and often tend to overdo it & modi knows it so does every one who has anything to do with policy making and ignoare suchbaised media


now we want peace with pakistan but not under a shadow of terrorism or pakistan pointing a gun towards its own head(neuklear gun and fate of south asia)

but as i said before pakistanies have way bigger egos than there aukaat and calliber but still belave world or should i say "friends not masters + brotherli islamik nations & allweather friends" will save pakistan everytime it does something stupid "again"

but my good friend im sure you wont like my blunt speak but the ground reality is pakistans double game is exposed and just to its friends and enemies but to its so called "strategik assets" also and now no party belaves pakistan or its cause and that is the real game

 

[Hareeshu IA MBT]

Rely wonder no rangers was killed in this scale of massive retaliation targeting more 80+ posts which was heavily guarded pak soliders. That too at the time of cease fire their bunkers should be fully equipped with weapons , soliders to use them . Of course the casualties should be over 80/90 . Give in the amount of shells bullets fired .

 

[Alfa-Fighter]

• He is doing what he was voted in for. Trying to be 'tough' with Pakistan. (Because that is the biggest problem Indians face which needs immediate attention)

That is correct , one the reason to choose by indian people is Development & Security.

• He cancelled the bilateral dialogue unilaterally to basically tell Nawaz Sharif to go and stuff himself, despite his pro India overtures which are mainly designed for securing his personal wealth in India.

He played the masterstroke in Politics which PAK has not Answer just to fall in Trap
1) He Invited NZ, if NZ do not come , India can declare PAK don't want peace and don't come to us later, And he comes that also Tell to what world India wants Peace and Its India who taken First Step.

2) he cancelled Bilateral Dialogue , he already told PAK Govt. not to meet Gillani & co. , which PAK ignore.

Result: India told world , PAK is not serious for Talk , don't come to us in future , asking us for talk with PAK.

• After the embarrassment Modi faced when the Chinese soldiers again invaded Indian territory, set up camps and danced around while the Premier was in New Delhi being sweet talked by Modi, he had to save face by opening guns on the LoC so people forget about his weakness towards China. The matter of fact you can as @Chinese-Dragon - i actually joked about it when that happened that his next step would be to start firing on Pakistan to regain his image, which is precisely what happened.

1) China and PAK both are different. if you didn't see both Indian President and FM was in Vietnam at the same time, deciding future course of strategic action, i.e. Brahmos Missiles.

2) As per inside source , Firing Start after one solider killed in the land mine blast which was planted by PAK and inside Indian LOC.

3) BSF tried 17 times for meeting , PAK didn't respond...... MODI said to IA" lets your all guns loose" IA /BSF started firing across all positions , ( Normally PAK fires on those areas where they are in Adv ) ... Now Indian Adv. position firing made PAK too much bleed.

4) PAK run to UN / US , got message you are not serious for talk , can't help now.

• Indian media - literally all of it - is readily available for blaming Pakistan before even the firing begins so there is no accountability which allows Mr Modi to pull off his tricks and get away with it.

India media blaming because BASF tried 17 times for meeting , PAK didn't response to hotline , India let their all GUN loose and then didn't respond to their calls after that which make PAK run to UN.

things reverse,

On this side of the border, it has greatly benefited the school of thought which had predicted that a Modi run India will be Pakistan's enemy and any hopes of a truce or resolution under a strong govt lead by Modi are unfounded. Modi had an opportunity when despite our strong opposition we supported Sharif's visit to Modi's throning ceremony. After this episode the later school of thought in Pakistan now stands defeated. I guess they didn't expect this to happen this quick. They thought that Modi, once in in office with this much vote bank behind him would prove to be a statesman like Mr Vajpayee than a Demagogue.

Indian old Guards which always live in dreams about PAK clearly told by Hawks , Its PA, ISI which control the policy wrt to India . civilian govt. can't do anything. Its waste of time with Civilian govt,

IF PAK Army do not stop firing , make the stake raise for them. End result .... 1: 10 bullets , 1:10 mortar , make heavy dent on PAK , BSF deployed AAG to take on PAK bunkers ,

Rest is history.....

 

[graphican]

That is like accusing Modi of not only starting the Ceasefire violations, but also of IDIOCY of not realizing that it would lead to internationalization of the conflict.

Modi (and his coterie of advisers) must be morons of the highest degree!!

Even in the past, India got "nothing" other than silently putting up with non-sense from across border. That was in addition to silently taking occasional delivery of headless bodies of Indian Soldiers!

I wonder if you internally and really not know who is responsible for seas-fire violation on the border this time. And I would want to learn from you what did India gain as a result? On the other side, I have mentioned few gains which Pakistan has nevertheless.

 

[kadamba-warrior]

I wonder if you internally and really not know who is responsible for seas-fire violation on the border this time. And I would want to learn from you what did India gain as a result? On the other side, I have mentioned few gains which Pakistan has nevertheless.

I have to admit that I am not one those "internal" to the establishment in India.

But let's just say that whoever used to shoot across the border without having to worry about retaliation in the past got the message!!!

It is no guarantee that they will not start shooting again tomorrow, but the difference now is that they know exactly what the consequences and costs of their actions would be!!!

 

[Rain]

Basic question: Had anything changed in Pak FPolicy/ PA approach/towards Kashmir due to This Modi Mouthed Policy of India? For me all the things are same as they were before.