27th February Was Only Half the Surprise Revealed !!!

[Windjammer]

This is his second thread, which I have paid attention to. Instead of answering, he resort to name calling.
On top of it, in the last thread he complained to the moderators, who banned me to take part in the thread.
This is the level of professionalism. I can only laugh.

Self importance gone bonkers.

Indeed gone bonkers....before you start smooching yourself, let me remind you, one can indeed only laugh at how much self-importance you are giving yourself on the internet.....instead of living in your self created bubble of importance, come into the real world to understand some basics.

 

[CriticalThinker02]

I am just amazed, according to the poster, he got permission from higher up. Whatever that means.
But he may have been given a nod to publish these pictures who took part in the raids. Well, so what!!

The facts remains, 8/9 IAF jets were locked, could have easily been taken down by PAF, but they dithered.
Can we please see the pictures of those who give orders not to shot down IAF jets!!
That would be the real revelations.

We already know that full theatre control was achieved by PAF otherwise, the SU 30 and Mirage 2000 would have not left the theatre and would not have been reluctant to return in the danger zone.
The fact the Indian immediately remove the Air Chief of their norther command and that their Generals and Modi cried "Rafale" immediately after the raids did point out to the difficulties faced by the Indians on 27th.

But the point is what PAF did with all that superiority and complete control of the theatre!!!
Shot down 1 worthless Mig 21 !!!!

Every sane person would agree that it is a bad return.

The utmost problem which many on this forum are not understanding because of their "Loyalty" or hubal watani is that Indians know that they could have been badly hurt by PAF but were let off the hook. They know that Pakistanis shied away from attacking them. This is not the weakness revealed to your enemies!!

Let me say, I am loyal to Pakistan, better and strongly than most on this forum.

The alternative would have been an escalation leading to an all out war, whether restrain was a better decision specially after the Kashmir issue I cannot say but this, an all out war with India is inevitable it is not the matter of if but when, if we had a complete tactical superiority on 27th Feb, we should have gone all in instead of allowing the adversary a chance to fallback and regroup.

 

[Smoke]

Can you read roman Urdu ?

Han woh koi masla nai hai

 

[Windjammer]

he is a 40-50 years old fan buoy! of PAF

ye isski Choti Choti khushiyan hain!

Now that you have thrown your dummy out of your pram....stop derailing this thread further.

 

[CriticalThinker02]

Han woh koi masla nai hai

ٹھیک ہے تو آپ یہ نہیں سمجھ سکتے ہیں

 

[PakShaheen79]

Annexing kashmir has changed kashmir status for im unhappy mirrage to full blown kidnapping ..it works for pakistan as kashmiris are no longer confused

Confused were/are souls who always misunderstood the dynamics of Kashmir issue. Kashmir Bany Ga Pakistan ... But Why? Is this what 3rd June 1947 plan says on which partition of British India was made? NO! Every state has right to choose with whom they want to live with; Pakistan, India or as independent state! It is good if Kashmiris are no longer confused. Now don't start with "we fought 3 wars over Kashmir"... truth is, 65,99 were both initiated by Pakistan and certainly not for Kashmir but for self-glory. 48 was only real attempt to take Kashmir and GB and AJK are with us due to that... Once Kashmir got out of Indian control, it will not become part of Pakistan by default. Even then you will have to ask Kashmiris what they want as per UNO and international law. Had we given any importance to Kashmir as it must have gotten, our foreign and defense policies would have a very different approach. We remember Kashmir on 5 Feb only. IK announced to be ambassador of Kashmiris ... Is he really acting like one?

I pray all people who are talking about India attacking AJK may be true, at least Providence will give us another opportunity. Question is are we preparing for that ... or we are second guessing those who will be on the forefront once that moment arrived in future?

 

[Smoke]

ٹھیک ہے تو آپ یہ نہیں سمجھ سکتے ہیں

Haha can't read what you wrote.

 

[CriticalThinker02]

Haha can't read what you wrote.

میں جانتا ہوں کہ آپ یہ نہیں سمجھ سکتے ہیں

 

[Smoke]

میں جانتا ہوں کہ آپ یہ نہیں سمجھ سکتے ہیں

I hate you

 

[CriticalThinker02]

This statement of yours has answered all the critics as to why we did not go gung ho and bring down all the 9 fighters.
The questions one really needs to ask oneself is.
A. Are we in a position to have a full fledged war with India?
B. So what was the aim ofhaving this whole exercise? Was it to down IAF inventory or tech demonstration?
We have seriously underestimated the demoralizing effect of not knowing how the situation turned out so drastically bad for IAF? A fear of the unknown is a prime force in developing uncertainty while not provoking enough for the opposition to throw all caution to the wind and let loose with all it has at its disposal.
So I ask all the critics again what was more important, starting a full fledged war with no winners and a 100 million people dead on both sides if not more; or giving tge enemy just a taster of what it shohld expect if it ventures into our terrain again. I strongly suspect the other fighters which were logged were still in Indian air space and as such in peace times the act of taking them out would have been tentamount to an aggression which would have forced a response. The response would have been missile strikes and unless and until you were willing to throw40 to 50 Nukes across the border to totally anihilate India theassured outcome would have been significant damage to your country and in fact possibly no country left worth mentioning .
40 to 50 nukes thrownacross India will unleash havoc the consequences would have envelopedyou China and at least half the world with loss of a couple of billion lives plus. You wouldthen have invited a free for all with all the big boys jumping in and the endgame being played out in the subcontinent.
People need to play put scenarios before opening their mouths/typing their thoughts.
No disrespect intended to anyone.
A

I completely disagree with you, we should have gone all in regardless of the consequences, an existential war with India is inevitable, the quicker we realise this the better it will be for us otherwise we will fighting that existential war against our adversary on their terms not ours.

 

[litman]

ya jo jung kay naray laga rahay hain na agar jung start ho jati or inhain do din be khana na milta to inhon nay sab say pahlay gaalian deni theen government ko. itni gharatmand qaum hoti to aj ya hal na hota hamara.

on topic. 27 feb marked the first encounter between the two opposing forces where both sides used 4th gen jets and PAF came on top. celebrate but maintain dignity and be thankful to Allah.
and raised middle finger for all those who are good for nothing other then criticizing acting as if they themselves are tipus sultan and muhammad bin qasim

 

[MastanKhan]

Brother, we didn't. It says clearly on one of the pages of the calendar.
This is the "secret" information revealed!!
This actually weakens our position further vis a vis IAF.
One of high up in PAF was controlling the theatre where, IAF left off the hook!!
Think what message was given to the Indians.

Your PM will probably be one of them. The guy who was calling Modi after Op Swift Retort for peace and who released Indian pilot as quick as possible. Stop blaiming just one branch of military. It was a collective approach of Civil+Military

AVM Irfan flew a F-16 in the mission

come on folks you shouldnt have missed that.

Hi,

If Imran Khan had a say in the mission---then that was bad planning by the air force---.

Seems like maybe the Paf wanted an excuse just to get out---because previously they did not even want to confront the indian air force---because no damage was done.

These types of decisions are pre planned---. There is an interview of MM Alam on youtube---. All actions are decided beforehand.

If an issue comes up---the battle commander in the air takes charge and makes the on spot decision---.

There was an indecisive coward in the command chain who did not have the ballz---.

You are the one who wrote praise worthy thread....is't you?

Hi,

Off course I did---. Sitting back and doing nothing---they turned around did something spectacular---that deserves praise---but just because I praised them---does not mean that I cannot be critical---.

My issue is with the job that was left incomplete---. My issue is with the indecision to shoot down the enemy aircrafts---.

My primary issue is that why did it even get to that point---why was preparation not made in advance during the pre-strike briefing----.

In the pre-mission briefing the " what if " issues pop up and directives given in what to do if this happens and what to do if that happens---.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

Hi,

If Imran Khan had a say in the mission---then that was bad planning by the air force---.

Seems like maybe the Paf wanted an excuse just to get out---because previously they did not even want to confront the indian air force---because no damage was done.

These types of decisions are pre planned---. There is an interview of MM Alam on youtube---. All actions are decided beforehand.

If an issue comes up---the battle commander in the air takes charge and makes the on spot decision---.

There was an indecisive coward in the command chain who did not have the ballz---.



Hi,

Off course I did---. Sitting back and doing nothing---they turned around did something spectacular---that deserves praise---but just because I praised them---does not mean that I cannot be critical---.

My issue is with the job that was left incomplete---. My issue is with the indecision to shoot down the enemy aircrafts---.

My primary issue is that why did it even get to that point---why was preparation not made in advance during the pre-strike briefing----.

In the pre-mission briefing the " what if " issues pop up and directives given in what to do if this happens and what to do if that happens---.

What if the enemy jets were not in the range means they would had escaped easily if the BVR was shot at them as their distance could be max range of BVR Missile

 

[MastanKhan]

What if the enemy jets were not in the range means they would had escaped easily if the BVR was shot at them as their distance could be max range of BVR Missile

Hi,

Intelligence would say that then there was no issue to discuss if they were out of range.

The 16 seconds it took to make the decision to shoot them down gave time to the enemy to run away---.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Hi,

Intelligence would say that then there was no issue to discuss if they were out of range.

Why you want to destroy whole IAF jets on 27 Feb they are patrolling in their own airspace if all enemy jets intruded in our airspace then we have right to shoot all of them in war