27th February Was Only Half the Surprise Revealed !!!

[araz]

At that time, at that day of 27th Feb 2019, your assessment fits in nowhere sir.With their principle BVR and VVR missiles,complete set of avionics of principle point defence fighter lying in Pakistani hands,one of their senior pilot who flew all of their assets and knew everything in out was getting debriefed, knowing that PAF can jam and listen us at any given time and every missile in our inventroy is outranged by Pakistanis i am 100% sure Bharat won't have tried anything,i support my argument by the fact that very next day Bharatis were looking for Missile strikes.Their AF probably after knowing these facts said Sorry we can't.
We just did what is known as "Appeasement" in diplomatic circles.If you think Bharat which aspires to be atleast a Policeman in Asia would forget images of Abhi,you are dead wrong Sir.


Anyone who thinks wannabe Policeman of Asia can forget those images of Abhi,he is wrong.

OK. I have at least presented an analysis. Bring out your counter analysis and let the peopleon theboard decide. This " yes they did and No they did not" debate is not going to get us anywhere.
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[masterchief_mirza]

some words of advice for keyboard warriors.

XO concurs.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Hi,

That would have been the Israel 1967 moment for pakistan---.

Indian psyche would have been smashed to a pulp---.

Seeing their mighty SU30MKI and M2K's going down in flames against the JF17's would have run shock waves thru the enemy ranks---.

That alone would have rankled the enemy's nerves bad to the breaking point.

That would have created uncertainty---indecision---chaos---panic---you name the fear and it would have evolved in the enemy GHQ---.

It would be like a Muhammad Ali vs Sonny Liston moment---it would be like Khabib vs the Irish guy moment---a total shocker---a total disbelief---a moment when hands brains body go numb in total and utter fear---.

You would have been screaming to the world that is what will happen when you kill our 300 children going to school---.

Pakistanis are dumb fools and their military generals are on the top of the list---.

They are clueless as to what the reaction of the american and european public would be---. These dumb fools need to start approaching the american public and european public rather than building good relations with their counter parts and american senators and congress---.

Amrican public is tired of indian call center scams---. 100's and 100's of million of dollars of retired americans and europeans has been scammed by these indian goons---yet the dumb pakistani generals are clueless in how to tackle the enemy---.

The enemy has put its weaknesses on a platter for pakistan to manipulate---and all these generals are interested in getting admission for their kids in the US and green cards and residency for their families---.

Shooting down 5 or even 10 SU-30 was not going to bring entire IAF on to their knees infact it would have untied ENTIRE India and its armed forces to retaliate! Israel was able to destroy pretty much ENTIRE arab air force on ground so you can not compare Isreali attack on dumb arabs who had their entire fleet on display to be air fked by IDAF.
All what you are wrighting is just PAF fanboys fantasy to see IAF brought down to its knees. unno nay churiya nahi panihowi hai!

 

[El Sidd]

Hi,

That would have been the Israel 1967 moment for pakistan---.

Indian psyche would have been smashed to a pulp---.

Seeing their mighty SU30MKI and M2K's going down in flames against the JF17's would have run shock waves thru the enemy ranks---.

That alone would have rankled the enemy's nerves bad to the breaking point.

That would have created uncertainty---indecision---chaos---panic---you name the fear and it would have evolved in the enemy GHQ---.

It would be like a Muhammad Ali vs Sonny Liston moment---it would be like Khabib vs the Irish guy moment---a total shocker---a total disbelief---a moment when hands brains body go numb in total and utter fear---.

You would have been screaming to the world that is what will happen when you kill our 300 children going to school---.

Pakistanis are dumb fools and their military generals are on the top of the list---.

They are clueless as to what the reaction of the american and european public would be---. These dumb fools need to start approaching the american public and european public rather than building good relations with their counter parts and american senators and congress---.

Amrican public is tired of indian call center scams---. 100's and 100's of million of dollars of retired americans and europeans has been scammed by these indian goons---yet the dumb pakistani generals are clueless in how to tackle the enemy---.

The enemy has put its weaknesses on a platter for pakistan to manipulate---and all these generals are interested in getting admission for their kids in the US and green cards and residency for their families---.

no military general will take the risk if political enablers the government refuses to go to war.

 

[MastanKhan]

you still did not answer the point "what would IAF retaliation be" because they were not going to sit idle. Its IAF that is pulling victory from defeat by claiming imaginary F-16 kill so they are able to eat up Mig-21 loss. But when 5 or 10 of their fighters would have been shot down and that in their own air space then they would have defiantly retaliated with their full force.


everyone is a arms chair warrior until they step into the battle.
No disrespect to mastankhan.

Hi,

You cross the bridge when you get to it---. Be ready be prepared---.

Papa---this is war---once you create a panic in the army ranks---it is next to impossible to stop the fleeing soldiers---instill valor in them and make them fight---.

Pak military should never had admitted that there were no deaths of school children---.

What happened in 1965 war---. Paf was in a similar stage of panic in the begining---till M M ALAM shot down 5 enemy aircraft---.

What happened after that---the fight went out out of the enemy---.

You kids can't even understand that---do I have to hammer it in you kids brains---.

That single action of M M ALAM changed the direction of air war in 1965 and 1971---.

" I believe that we can do it "---" Yes I can " " Yes we can ".

He did it and changed the psyche of the Paf since then---.

And you want to ask me what will happen afterwards---.

What will happen afterwards is after you had completed your job thoroughly in that encounter and smashed enemy to a pulp is what happens when PREPARATION MEETS OPPORTUNITY---.

What I am seeing over here is you pakistan kids have no concept what goes thru the mind of the enemy pilot when he hears top 6-8 of his top notch teammates flying their top notch fighter aircraft being shot down by a supposedly inferior aircraft that you were not counting to be of any significance---.

That panic---starts from the top of the head and travels down---.

And if you had not heard it---let me share with you what literally happens to the man's physiology---the balls shrinks and travel upwards from the sack into the bottom of the groin---the pe-nis shrinks to a miniscule and retreats way back into its sheath---a coldness sweeps over the body---hand and mind co-ordination disappears---. For that to happen to an enemy means that the testosterone level has suddenly diminished---the will to fight has gone---.

That moment on the enemy was a dream come true for any smaller fighting force---because it had the enemy in the grips of fear---total and all out fear---. Israel would have loved that moment---Israel has loved those moments---.

Shooting down 5 or even 10 SU-30 was not going to bring entire IAF on to their knees infact it would have untied ENTIRE India and its armed forces to retaliate! Israel was able to destroy pretty much ENTIRE arab air force on ground so you can not compare Isreali attack on dumb arabs who had their entire fleet on display to be air fked by IDAF.
All what you are wrighting is just PAF fanboys fantasy to see IAF brought down to its knees. unno nay churiya nahi panihowi hai!

Hi,

There is no cure for cowardice---.

 

[PakSword]

Shooting down 5 or even 10 SU-30 was not going to bring entire IAF on to their knees infact it would have untied ENTIRE India and its armed forces to retaliate! Israel was able to destroy pretty much ENTIRE arab air force on ground so you can not compare Isreali attack on dumb arabs who had their entire fleet on display to be air fked by IDAF.
All what you are wrighting is just PAF fanboys fantasy to see IAF brought down to its knees. unno nay churiya nahi panihowi hai!

You are right, Pakistan opted for peace in the given circumstances but also shown who is the boss.

A longer war was and still is not in the benefit of Pakistan in anyway.

India would have certainly reacted with missiles and that would have resulted in counter missile attacks by Pakistan.

27th Feb was the best response an Air Force can give to a much larger force.

However, over praising that one day should also be stopped now. It was a limited response and should be treated as such.

 

[Trailer23]

Pakistanis are dumb fools...

I guess we must be. Probably led by your folks.

 

[MastanKhan]

I guess we must be. Probably led by your folks.

Hi,

No sir---if you were led by me or my folks---you would be talking like me---.

Do you kids even think what you want to say---.

you still did not answer the point "what would IAF retaliation be" because they were not going to sit idle. Its IAF that is pulling victory from defeat by claiming imaginary F-16 kill so they are able to eat up Mig-21 loss. But when 5 or 10 of their fighters would have been shot down and that in their own air space then they would have defiantly retaliated with their full force.


everyone is a arms chair warrior until they step into the battle.
No disrespect to mastankhan.

Hi,

It took a Bihari---an urdu speaking warrior---the little guy M M ALAM---who led the pakistani froces to a decisive battle over the pakistani and indian skies---.

You may start reading war history and find out how the successful actions of the few---the underdogs uprooted a larger enemy force and took the will to fight out of them---.

 

[Trailer23]

if you were led by me or my folks---you would be talking like me---.

I rather take a bullet to the head than talk anti-Pakistan. Don't really know what horse you rode in on...

You should have a get together with Tariq Fateh & Hussain Haqqani. You'd make a great trio.

Do you kids even think what you want to say---.

Fortunately we're not at the stage where we require to take meds just to keep our sanity or to control our bla...ahh forget it. You're not even worth it.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Hi,

You cross the bridge when you get to it---. Be ready be prepared---.

Papa---this is war---once you create a panic in the army ranks---it is next to impossible to stop the fleeing soldiers---instill valor in them and make them fight---.

Pak military should never had admitted that there were no deaths of school children---.

What happened in 1965 war---. Paf was in a similar stage of panic in the begining---till M M ALAM shot down 5 enemy aircraft---.

What happened after that---the fight went out out of the enemy---.

You kids can't even understand that---do I have to hammer it in you kids brains---.

That single action of M M ALAM changed the direction of air war in 1965 and 1971---.

" I believe that we can do it "---" Yes I can " " Yes we can ".

He did it and changed the psyche of the Paf since then---.

And you want to ask me what will happen afterwards---.

What will happen afterwards is after you had completed your job thoroughly in that encounter and smashed enemy to a pulp is what happens when PREPARATION MEETS OPPORTUNITY---.

What I am seeing over here is you pakistan kids have no concept what goes thru the mind of the enemy pilot when he hears top 6-8 of his top notch teammates flying their top notch fighter aircraft being shot down by a supposedly inferior aircraft that you were not counting to be of any significance---.

That panic---starts from the top of the head and travels down---.

And if you had not heard it---let me share with you what literally happens to the man's physiology---the balls shrinks and travel upwards from the sack into the bottom of the groin---the pe-nis shrinks to a miniscule and retreats way back into its sheath---a coldness sweeps over the body---hand and mind co-ordination disappears---. For that to happen to an enemy means that the testosterone level has suddenly diminished---the will to fight has gone---.

That moment on the enemy was a dream come true for any smaller fighting force---because it had the enemy in the grips of fear---total and all out fear---. Israel would have loved that moment---Israel has loved those moments---.



Hi,

There is no cure for cowardice---.

Sir this is not 65 or 71 air war.

IAF is MUCH MUCH technically advanced air force regardless of what India degrades its technology to blame its stupidity.

Before MM ALAM, PAF managed to eliminate Mig-21 threat by destroying them on the ground fallowed by more attacks on their bases and radars. That gave PAF upper hand and brought panic mode on IAF. MMA was indeed a great pilot but 5 air to air kills dont change tide of war specially when they had 500+ more. PAF over all performed much better then technically and numerically advanced IAF because of their OVERALL better training.

Coming to the point of 27th feb.
You still did not give a direct answer.
IAF would have retaliated regardless how hard PAF hit them on 27th... missile strikes? air strikes? either way IAF would have retaliated and the situation would be out of hands... IAF was about to retaliate even for 1 or 2 of their fighters shot down but once they realize that they are winning propaganda war and the domestic audience is falling for it then they stopped.

 

[MastanKhan]

Sir this is not 65 or 71 air war.

IAF is MUCH MUCH technically advanced air force regardless of what India degrades its technology to blame its stupidity.

Before MM ALAM, PAF managed to eliminate Mig-21 threat by destroying them on the ground fallowed by more attacks on their bases and radars. That gave PAF upper hand and brought panic mode on IAF. MMA was indeed a great pilot but 5 air to air kills dont change tide of war specially when they had 500+ more. PAF over all performed much better then technically and numerically advanced IAF because of their OVERALL better training.

Coming to the point of 27th feb.
You still did not give a direct answer.
IAF would have retaliated regardless how hard PAF hit them on 27th... missile strikes? air strikes? either way IAF would have retaliated and the situation would be out of hands... IAF was about to retaliate even for 1 or 2 of their fighters shot down but once they realize that they are winning propaganda war and the domestic audience is falling for it then they stopped.

Hi,

I already gave you the answer---. If you cannot understand---that is your problem not mine---.

War is war---be it 65---71 or otherwise---.

Wars are fought by men---.

The might of the enemy got smashed in the first few seconds of the contact---.

You are just trying to ACT CLEVER---.

 

[BATMAN]

Now---if we had taken out their champion---not one not two not three but five six and seven---their would have been chaos in the enemy's HQ---.

As well, if Indian ammunition dumps were hit, the explosion would have been so colossal and extensive that Indian soldiers would have deserted their ranks or may i say Indian army would have cease to exist.

Destruction of brigade HQ would have totally crippled the enemy. They would have been in no position to gather them self from that point.

Arguments to cover up open treason of highest level from Pakistan side, are absurd. How many times on TV have we heard military experts, retired Pakistani generals, stating nuclear war is no option!
How it is not, i'm not going into that any further, at this point.

What we shall not overlook is how US will and is restructuring India's military infrastructure.
Situation is not limited to deliveries of Rafaels and Meteors, but surprisingly all quite on Pakistan social media, even regime is keeping it low profile, like they are serving Indian interests instead of Pakistan.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Hi,

I already gave you the answer---. If you cannot understand---that is your problem not mine---.

War is war---be it 65---71 or otherwise---.

Wars are fought by men---.

The might of the enemy got smashed in the first few seconds of the contact---.

You are just trying to ACT CLEVER---.

Sometimes you have to keep your egos from decision making. What you are suggesting would have guarantee 100% from IAF to strike back and Pakistan is not in a position to escalate the fight because conventionally regardless how hard Pakistan fights ultimately it will be their defeat because of India's tech and numerical advantage. The only reason keeping India away from Pakistan is its nukes. However in a short term war India will lose.
The only complain I have from PAF is its lack of evidence they have shown. In fact PDef provided all those information way before they did.. They did not provide mig-21 flight record data that would have cleared myths about abhi chasing after f-16 and shooting it down and lack of evidence when they say they shot down su-30.
Just alone this could have caused panic in India during 2019 election and use that situation for its advantage. But because of their way toooooo passive behavior caused them modi to look victorious among majority of indian audience.

 

[BATMAN]

Hi,

I already gave you the answer---. If you cannot understand---that is your problem not mine---.

War is war---be it 65---71 or otherwise---.

Wars are fought by men---.

The might of the enemy got smashed in the first few seconds of the contact---.

You are just trying to ACT CLEVER---.

We had a valid excuse for the war... and by not doing so we just sunk the philosophy of being independent state.. just empty words.

Just watch the international rewards for Imran Khan, ever since the great relief of 27th February.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

We had a valid excuse for the war... and by not doing so we just sunk the philosophy of being independent state.. beyond empty words.

Just watch the international rewards for Imran Khan, ever since the great relief of 27th February.

war is ugly, must be avoided at any cost.