27th February Was Only Half the Surprise Revealed !!!

[ziaulislam]

what? that is some f#cked up wheeling and dealing.

thats what french are notorious for..milking..
they have since stopped that as india doesnt want them to offer us anything but they do end up doing it tme and again..pretty sure once the lucrative deals are concluded(MRCA & submarine deal) french will come back and offer us everything

french are realizing they are going to lose Indian market soon, as once American stuff comes french stand no chance ...

 

[Sulemanms202]

i wonder these people having so much time in their lives writing abt issue which wont have any impact on future, are they seriously good at anything in their lives?
seriously, no wonder we lack experts in technology becuase our masses are not capable enough; busy doing useless things

 

[ziaulislam]

Rafale with Meteor and Spectra. I seriously doubt the effectiveness of DA 20 after Rafale is inducted as both are French but Rafale being the latest with Spectra which could mean it can easily interfere in operations of DA 20.
Yes Rafale with Meteor is a danger. They can lock and shoot and scoot especially on our F16s armed with AIM120C5s and JF 17 Block Is and IIs armed with SD 10s as both BVRs are lesser in range with Meteor. Can't say about Block 3 armed with PL 15 as PL 15 range is said to be greater than Meteor

ofocurse..rafale is new generation aircraft and PAF wll need something new..it would need a AESA coupled with either aim 120D (meteor might sill match/outrange it) and PL 15

i am not sure whther china and USA will offer these...

i think Pakistan will need to think strategically on A2A missiles tooo and step up to build them in house with like we did for blastic missles..
all you need to do is team up with turkey or south africa..yes there is risk but there is no reward without risk

 

[Sulemanms202]

if you are good at something; you are motivated to do it and frankly you're not bothered but what others are doing.
no wonder we stand no where in this world

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

ofocurse..rafale is new generation aircraft and PAF wll need something new..it would need a AESA coupled with either aim 120D (meteor might sill match/outrange it) and PL 15

i am not sure whther china and USA will offer these...

i think Pakistan will need to think strategically on A2A missiles tooo and step up to build them in house with like we did for blastic missles..
all you need to do is team up with turkey or south africa..yes there is risk but there is no reward without risk

China I think has offered PL 15 for Block 3

 

[Bossman]

Mark my words, India would attack Azad Kashmir. It may take over 2 years, at least, but it would happen.
As for nuclear weapons, I didn't say that nuclear option should be used, I said that the deterrence is lost. There should be no doubt about it. Time will prove it.

I agree with your view that India will attack Kashmir but it is because of their state of mind rather than any change in the strategic balance. Their civil and military leadership has gone into “group think” mindset driven by their RSS philosophy to dominate Muslims and Pakistan. They are altering reality to fit their objectives. They have lost their ability for critical thinking and one of the wrong lessons they have learned is that they have fooled themselves in believing that Pakistan nuclear deterrence is a bluff. A small border skirmish or even a bigger attack on Kashmir does not automatically means a nuclear response but their are thresholds when it will be done. BTW India does not have any significant tactical advantage in the Northern Areas, which will guarantee it success in Kashmir. Modi has surrounded himself with sycophants in the senior military leadership and they are telling him what he wants to hear rather than a critical analysis of the situation. The future is very dangerous!

 

[SIPRA]

I agree with your view that India will attack Kashmir but it is because their state of mind rather than change in the strategic balance. Their civil and military leadership has gone into group thing mindset driven by their RSS philosophy to dominate Muslims and Pakistan. They are altering reality to fit their objectives. They have lost their ability for critical thinking and one of the wrong lessons that they are fooling themselves to believe in that Pakistan nuclear deterrence is a bluff.

Excellent analysis in briefest possible words.

 

[Reddington]

After 27 Feb, the enemy is on a buying spree and buying weapons whatever it could get its hands on. The enemy learnt from its mistakes and will now come better prepared for a round 2 which will happen over Kashmir in the near future. We should not become complacent.

 

[crankthatskunk]

I agree with your view that India will attack Kashmir but it is because their state of mind rather than change in the strategic balance. Their civil and military leadership has gone into group thing mindset driven by their RSS philosophy to dominate Muslims and Pakistan. They are altering reality to fit their objectives. They have lost their ability for critical thinking and one of the wrong lessons that they are fooling themselves to believe in that Pakistan nuclear deterrence is a bluff.

You are correct. But to attack Pakistan, they have tested our resolve on 26th Feb. See the chronology.

1- They arranged Pulwama, to give them reason to attack Pakistan.
2- They followed up by attacking Pakistan on 26th Feb 2019.
3- After testing how we responded, they went ahead and change the status of Kashmir in their constitution.

You think all that happened without planning!!

 

[NA71]

@Windjammer

Honestly, with all due respect! give us something to talk about...this is not some thing classified who flew what...revelation would be something else...

If you had title the thread is different way like "ACE - cradle of Tactics" that would be understandable...but half the surprise ...thing...bring something on the table brother..

Please tell airboss..aysa kaab tak chalega!

Some times we start behaving like Indians......they awarded Abhinandan clown with Vir chakra for utter un professionalism that brought them total disgrace ......and we are busy with monuments and never ending celebrations of 27/2....while keeping 26/2 under the carpet. @TheTallGuy @MastanKhan

 

[PakShaheen79]

You are correct. But to attack Pakistan, they have tested our resolve on 26th Feb. See the chronology.

1- They arranged Pulwama, to give them reason to attack Pakistan.
2- They followed up by attacking Pakistan on 26th Feb 2019.
3- After testing how we responded, they went ahead and change the status of Kashmir in their constitution.

You think all that happened without planning!!

Would love to know how you are so certain that they did August 5 due to what happened on 27th Feb 2019? And what makes you think that had PAF engaged all those planes (which were flying inside their territory) would have kept Modi and Shah away from "annexing" Kashmir. As a state, Pakistan NEVER accepted Indian occupation of Kashmir (be it with or without so called annexation) ... They "conquer" what already was under their occupation. India will attack AJK or not. Only time will tell. All this hoopla about India attacking AJK seems a distraction at strategic level. AJK defense is not Pakistan's weakest point. It is soft belly in the south and most probably that will be the place to test Cold Start not the mountainous region across the LoC!

 

[SIPRA]

Would love to know how you are so certain that they did August 5 due to what happened on 27th Feb 2019? And what makes you think that had PAF engaged all those planes (which were flying inside their territory) would have kept Modi and Shah away from "annexing" Kashmir. As a state, Pakistan NEVER accepted Indian occupation of Kashmir (be it with or without so called annexation) ... They "conquer" what already was under their occupation. India will attack AJK or not. Only time will tell. All this hoopla about India attacking AJK seems a distraction at strategic level. AJK defense is not Pakistan's weakest point. It is soft belly in the south and most probably that will be the place to test Cold Start not the mountainous region across the LoC!

Excellent post.

 

[crankthatskunk]

Would love to know how you are so certain that they did August 5 due to what happened on 27th Feb 2019? And what makes you think that had PAF engaged all those planes (which were flying inside their territory) would have kept Modi and Shah away from "annexing" Kashmir. As a state, Pakistan NEVER accepted Indian occupation of Kashmir (be it with or without so called annexation) ... They "conquer" what already was under their occupation. India will attack AJK or not. Only time will tell. All this hoopla about India attacking AJK seems a distraction at strategic level. AJK defense is not Pakistan's weakest point. It is soft belly in the south and most probably that will be the place to test Cold Start not the mountainous region across the LoC!

I think I presented the chronology for people to understand in black and white. Please answer the question asked, did all that happened without planning!!
If your answer is yes that it happened with planning.
Then think logically what would be the next step of their planning.

I would not argue with the point that they may attack the south to start with, but the ultimate aim would be Kashmir, make no mistake about it. They are repeatedly telling you.
These threats are not limited to one person, from their army generals to their political leaders.
If listening from the horses' mouth not enough for you, what would be!!

 

[Umair Nawaz]

You will never surprise us but we will always surprise you, was the famous statement by the former DG ISPR. And after one year of carrying out the operation Swift Retort, new details emerging as to how within 30 hours of the failed Balakot strike by the IAF, how the PAF mustered and delivered a classical blow to the Indians. While sketchy details of strikes on Indian targets and shooting down of IAF aircraft were released to the public, much of the information on those involved in the operation remains obscured. Now with kind permission of a certain person, I'm posting some classified details of the operation.

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@Hodor @Socra @The Eagle @Irfan Baloch @HRK

where is ''new information'' and what was classified in it?

The day PAF will dare to release the Su30's evidence will be the day we will say something has been released! As well as That JF17's M2K kill along with those ''drivers''


All else is just another hot air balloon!

 

[Windjammer]

where is ''new information'' and what was classified in it?

The day PAF will dare to release the Su30's evidence will be the day we will say something has been released! As well as That JF17's M2K kill along with those ''drivers''


All else is just another hot air balloon!

Thanks for your contribution and suggestions, I must have missed you releasing all this information earlier.