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25,000 Indian-origin British doctors to return to India

I find it extremely amusing that Indians take such pride in overpopulation. Congratulations that you will have to feed so many people with such little land mass you have. It will be a environmental disaster that will doom India.

China with an aging population is a good thing. The earlier the population declines the better. We already have too many people and we really don't want anymore. With less people there will be much improved quality of life.
 
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I find it extremely amusing that Indians take such pride in overpopulation. Congratulations that you will have to feed so many people with such little land mass you have. It will be a environmental disaster that will doom India.

China with an aging population is a good thing. The earlier the population declines the better. We already have too many people and we really don't want anymore. With less people there will be much improved quality of life.

quality of life is not necessarily a criteria for a superpower in making........a superpower is the one.....which has capabilities to almost control the world economic and military affairs and has young and dynamic population to add to its technological and market oriented assets............
 
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This should be good news for indian poor population if these doctors dedicate their time. On the other hand this deperture by indian doctors should create more opportunities for doctors from other countries and perhaps for locals.
 
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I find it extremely amusing that Indians take such pride in overpopulation. Congratulations that you will have to feed so many people with such little land mass you have. It will be a environmental disaster that will doom India.

China with an aging population is a good thing. The earlier the population declines the better. We already have too many people and we really don't want anymore. With less people there will be much improved quality of life.


No need to post troll. Is it the topic???

1. India have more arable land than china, so when u talk about little land u shows your little knowledge. china has more land than India but that land is useless and barren, thus a liability as to protect it and build infrastructure there on waste land.

2. Aging population of china is not an asset as old by u but the liability as u have to feed more and more unproductive people.

3. People will not be less but in reality there will be few hand to work and more mouth to feed. So, the quality of life will be low. :wave:
 
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Indian doctor under probe for behavior issue, malpractice


AL-AFLAJ – The Health Affairs department in Riyadh is investigating an Indian doctor following numerous complaints from patients and staff at Al-Aflaj Hospital concerning his competency and professional conduct.

The neurologist, according to Al-Watan Arabic daily, faces accusations of malpractice leading to deaths, leaving some patients in a state of paralysis, ignoring orders, and writing false reports diagnosing patients as brain dead.

According to the newspaper the complaints and reports provided by staff and patients to the hospital director also cite behavioral issues such as insulting Islam, walking semi-naked around residence premises in front of patients and women, being present at the hospital late at night without professional pretext, maltreating patients, creating division among staff members and repeatedly threatening female nurses.

Al-Aflaj Hospital director, Abdullah Al-Haidar, told Al-Watan that the case had been passed on to Health Affairs in Riyadh, the body responsible for taking action in such cases. – Okaz/SG

Saudi Gazette - Indian doctor under probe for behavior issue, malpractice
 
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Indian doctor under probe for behavior issue, malpractice


AL-AFLAJ – The Health Affairs department in Riyadh is investigating an Indian doctor following numerous complaints from patients and staff at Al-Aflaj Hospital concerning his competency and professional conduct.

The neurologist, according to Al-Watan Arabic daily, faces accusations of malpractice leading to deaths, leaving some patients in a state of paralysis, ignoring orders, and writing false reports diagnosing patients as brain dead.

According to the newspaper the complaints and reports provided by staff and patients to the hospital director also cite behavioral issues such as insulting Islam, walking semi-naked around residence premises in front of patients and women, being present at the hospital late at night without professional pretext, maltreating patients, creating division among staff members and repeatedly threatening female nurses.

Al-Aflaj Hospital director, Abdullah Al-Haidar, told Al-Watan that the case had been passed on to Health Affairs in Riyadh, the body responsible for taking action in such cases. – Okaz/SG

Saudi Gazette - Indian doctor under probe for behavior issue, malpractice



off topic troll

This thread is about doctor's returning India. If u don't have something related to thread then get lost. No need to derail the thread.
 
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Trust me you are just talking , you haven't experienced the medical field in the U.S. in the first person. There are alot of incomptent ******* doctors who go to crap-shoot medical schools and get their degrees and give sub-par treatment to their patients.

I only trust doctors who went to top tier medical schools

1.) Harvard University
2.) University of Pennsylvania
3.) Johns Hopkins University
4.) University of California--San Francisco
5.) Washington University in St. Louis
6.) Duke University
7.) University of Michigan--Ann Arbor
8.) University of Washington
9.) Yale University
10.) Columbia University
11.) Stanford University

they have a low **** up rate.
 
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I have seen incomptent Indian/Chinese/Pakistani doctors on a higher rate than American or Jewish doctors. I am not lying to you. I know there is alot of hate towards Israel on this fourm but Jewish doctors are one of the best. They are real smart. Trust me I've seen this first hand.

Actually of all three Indian/Chinese/Pakistani doctors the only good one I've seen is an Indian Sikh.

A few year back, I broke my nose and I needed surgey. I got referred to this doctor who turned out to be Pakistani. He was one of the biggest idiots I have ever met, I don't know how he got his medical license to practice.

I then got referred to this other doctor who was an Indian Sikh. He was a graduate from Johns Hopkins Medical School. He was possibly one of the best doctors I've ever met and did an excellent job. He knew his stuff inside and out.

You will see alot of Pakistani and Indian doctors going to crappy medical schools and giving out crappy patient care/treatment. Trust me you will see really really incomptent doctors. Its because of the social status Pakistani and Indians perceive of doctors, thats why they all run to medical schools .Some of them force themselves through it so they can show others they are "doctors" or for other's their parents make them go to medical schools.

Having a medical degree by no means means you are a good doctor or smart. It only proves you have the ability to study for very long hours and pass tests.
 
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Trust me you are just talking out your *** you haven't experienced the medical field in the U.S. in the first person. There are alot of incomptent ******* doctors who go to crap-shoot medical schools and get their degrees and give sub-par treatment to their patients.

I only trust doctors who went to top tier medical schools

1.) Harvard University
2.) University of Pennsylvania
3.) Johns Hopkins University
4.) University of California--San Francisco
5.) Washington University in St. Louis
6.) Duke University
7.) University of Michigan--Ann Arbor
8.) University of Washington
9.) Yale University
10.) Columbia University
11.) Stanford University

they have a low **** up rate.


The Yale University you have mentioned has following to say about Indian Doctors


Indian Doctors Help Fill US Health Care Needs :cheers:


NEW YORK: Around 600 B.C., more than a century before the Greek physician Hippocrates became the greatest healer of his era, the Indians Atreya and Susrata established medical schools in separate parts of the subcontinent. About the same time, Indian doctors developed a code of ethics that required healers to maintain patient confidentiality and lead a life dedicated to caring for the sick.

Today Indian doctors have become a powerful influence in medicine across the world - from North America and Great Britain to East Africa, Malaysia, and Singapore. Nowhere is their authority more keenly felt than in the United States, where Indians make up the largest non-Caucasian segment of the American medical community. Indian doctors have found a home in the medical marketplace, where they are a mainstay in primary patient care in urban and rural areas. Numbering over 38,000, physicians of Indian origin account for one in every 20 doctors practicing medicine in the US. Another 12,000 Indians and Indian-Americans are medical students and residents - doctors in specialty training - in teaching hospitals across the country. And Indians make up roughly 20 percent of the "International Medical Graduates" - or foreign-trained doctors - operating in the U.S.

But new challenges may slow the influx of Indian doctors. Many say they are having difficulty getting US visas after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001. And a professional backlash has challenged new immigrants looking to join the lucrative American medical establishment.

"It's never been easy to come to the United States, but it is even more difficult now," says Sharad Lakhanpal, president of the American Association of Physicians of Indian Origin (AAPI) and a clinical professor of medicine at University of Texas-Southwestern in Dallas. "Moreover, there are many subtle forms of discrimination. Even second-generation Indians feel discrimination in application for residencies and fellowships at teaching hospitals. Some just don't get applications sent to them."

Ironically, these challenges come at a time when the US medical establishment, led by the powerful American Medical Association (AMA), says the country now faces a physician shortage in some regions and specialties. For the past two decades, the AMA and the government-appointed Council on Graduate Medical Education have recommended that US medical schools maintain a near-steady supply of 16,000 new doctors a year, despite a population increase of 24 percent between 1980 and 2000. Now worried about a potential shortfall of physicians, the AMA says international medical graduates (IMGs) can help meet the needs of a growing and aging population, and has pledged to help speed up visas for foreign doctors.

But young doctors who obtain their medical degrees in India find it increasingly difficult to travel to the United States for advanced medical education unless they or a spouse already hold a green card that entitles them to permanent residence, or unless they agree to work in areas defined by the government as medically underserved.

Getting a visa for a two-to-five-year-long residency at a university or teaching hospital is only the first of several challenges facing Indian doctors seeking to work in the United States. In the 1960s and 70s, IMGs were heavily recruited to fulfill the Medicare program's promise of free medical care for every American over the age of 65. Today, Indian doctors must return to India after completing their advanced training unless they agree to set up practice in rural or low-income areas.

"IMG's play a vital role in areas with shortages," Ahmed Faheem, a Beckley, West Virginia psychiatrist originally from India, told a recent high-level AMA meeting. "If you don't ease off the visa requirements, then it's going to get worse."

For the Indian doctors who are allowed by US authorities to fill these less glamorous primary care jobs, there is still no guarantee they can make a livable income in an era of sky-high medical malpractice insurance and managed care schemes. And rural areas typically need more generalists than specialists, which makes it difficult for a heart surgeon or radiologist to earn a living outside of major cities.

Today, Indian doctors seeking admission to US residency training programs must first fly to either Singapore or Bangkok to take qualifying examinations not given in India. Next they must obtain a US visa to travel to Atlanta for a "clinical skills assessment" test before applying to any American university or teaching hospital's specialty course. Once accepted into a program, they can only receive a US visa back in India - a process that can cost upwards of $5,000 and take a year or more to complete.

"It was definitely much easier to come to the USA in the 60's, 70's, and 80's - before the cutback in visas," says Parag Mehta, an internist and attending physician, or teacher, at New York Methodist Hospital in Brooklyn. Mehta practiced medicine for seven years in his native state of Gujarat in India before coming to the New York with his wife, a green card holder and obstetrician. "Having a green card is now the most common ticket into the US medical system. I see it with my students every year."

Another challenge facing Indian doctors and others who are primary care, or family practice "generalists", is their lack of bargaining power with the big insurance companies and health maintenance organizations (HMOs) that cover more than 160 million Americans. Indian doctors, lead by the AAPI, say that reductions in doctorsfederal and state funds for health care have forced HMOs to hire fewer and cheaper doctors - and that HMOs are dumping competent foreign-born and foreign-educated doctors. .

"The quality of health care goes down when HMOs start to hire the cheapest people around," says Doctor Lakhanpal of AAPI. "That's why we need collective bargaining power at the state level."

After years of sitting on the political sidelines, Indian-Americans - affluent, educated and doubling in number every 10 years - are starting to flex their muscles in Washington. Indian physicians are lobbying at the state and federal level, quizzing presidential candidates, and working with the 167-member Indian Caucus - a group of US congresspeople friendly to India and Indian-Americans. The AAPI has a full-time legislative office in Washington that is pushing a nationwide limit on malpractice insurance premiums, collective bargaining with HMOs, a Patients' Bill of Rights law, and uniform medical licensing for all 50 states. The organization also fields complaints about professional discrimination, and was a driving forcing in passing the 1992 Anti-Discrimination in Medicine bill.

Despite the hurdles Indian doctors in the US may face, many remain committed to their calling. Organized by the AAPI, doctors and nurses of Indian origin have established free walk-in clinics across the US to treat senior citizens and patients who are indigent, lacking health insurance, or unable to see a physician during normal clinic hours.

"This country has been very nice to us," says the AAPI's Lakhanpal. "The weekend clinics are sort of our way of giving back to community."

Yet although Indian doctors have carved a comfortable niche in the American medical community, red tape and discrimination may slow their success and exacerbate a looming national health care crisis.


Indian Doctors Help Fill US Health Care Needs | YaleGlobal Online Magazine
 
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If this is true, then its time our Government woke up early and started giving British jobs to British people only and not these leeches, using our services here, as with other services also.

Ha Ha look whose mouthing off frm his bottom.......
Hey , do YOU know what do the british people call you guys???
and hey , hey listen to this as well.... a task for you...

step 1 - open your web browser
step 2 - just type, "why is there a... " and the rest will come up for ye!! read the first message google has for you.

this is what they think of you ... i think it started frm coronation street. A BRITISH SOAP...

and more over we are not leeches... indians dont have 4-5 children in britain.. pakistanis do .... so that they can sponge off the state with benefits/ council house and what not.(been to B`Ham , seen it all)
and hey ,it just does not finishes here ... i think you guys a are so ashamed of calling yourselves pakistanis you even open the restaurants with the tag line "INDIAN RESTAURANT"
and U might know which is the most popular food in UK.
 
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