20 Martyred as Maulana Ghafoor Haideri's convoy comes under attack in Mastung

[The Eagle]

Do you think this attack has some relation with the recent statements by Mr. Daniel Coats (director of National Intelligence, USA) about soft targets and more terrorist attacks in Pakistan due to CPEC while our top political leadership is in China to attend Belt And Road Forum?

Mr. Coats was clearly biased towards India, and I think his statements were a signal to India for such an attack.

Well if it has to be my observation then I wouldn't see either the person is biased or not. IMO, currently we have hostile situation with India, Afghanistan and recently the threats from Iran. Now coming to latest one from Iran, when it comes to play such games, I wouldn't trust anyone in this regard. There are certain points to ponder in such situation.

Firstly, the NDS/R&AW nexus against Pakistan and especially CPEC are not hidden. For the same reasons, several local factions like BLA etc have been supported by them through different means for only one purpose and that is Harm Pakistan and nothing else. In such devil's play, it is not necessary that only men with gun will be hired but it is all about how to achieve either by gun or pen.

Now coming to second observation that in my view, Iran's involvement is not new nor hidden to us since long especially after Afghan War. Either someone agree to it or not but to the some extent, we have nabbed many of such proxies as well as gathered enough information in past that how a sectarian game is being played only just because the majority was inclined in favour of GCC. In the same connection and in short, recently Pakistan agreed with Islamic Military Alliance and Raheel Sharif was issued with NOC to lead the same and by the same time, we received a reservation from Iran in this regard as well as then after, a threat just because someone played them on border. The irony is, when Iran can have more deep and close relations with India, our arch rival, and Pakistan never asked Iran to not to take side then opposing our joining into Islamic Military Alliance is nothing. However, I mentioned about Military Alliance only as a reference that how come a threat could grow further by connecting different developments. Interestingly, in this sectarian war, the so-called groups were mostly supported by our common enemy.

CPEC is the subject and we can clearly see who is suppose to object and wants to harm us. NDS/Afghan puppet regime is merely a pawn in this game which is being utilized well against hefty amount and dots are connected long back to India. In the same continuation, many of like BLA's etc have been supported by same enemy based upon single agenda and that is to harm Pakistan. ISIS is getting its foot hold in Afghanistan and for that, I blame Afghan Puppet Government that allowed more cancer only to deal with Taliban for which, being incompetent, they never arranged anything plausible so the peace may prevail. Same ISIS has been supporting all of them factions of TTP especially since given a good beat by Pakistan. As the TTP weakened and ran away then reached under umbrella of ISIS because it always needs back up and funds to operate and the same is well known for anti-Pakistan activities. India's support for TTP is well documented and can be understood by just hear to Mehsud and Ehsanullah confessions.

Iran has been hostile especially since fueling the sectarian issue whereby agencies have enough and credible evidence that how it was being worked and pushed, as well as recruiting Pakistanis for Syria and when Pakistan Joined Islamic Military Alliance, many of things became more clearer in this regard.

The thing is, these facts are not hidden or false but the problem arises where people get divided due to personal affiliation or liking and forgets about the Country. In my opinion, I will treat everyone as enemy if ever had a doubt that such & such have actually tried to harm me and in current situation, the hostile regimes and countries are pretty clear for us to understand that, who is really doing what. Kulbashan was housed in Iran and use to travel Pakistan regularly for many of times and was under Radar for almost two years before arrested. The same person was working for R&AW and is involved in many crimes and terrorist activities like the subject so there is no more iota of doubt to not to believe that how India is involved in anti-Pakistan activities. Baluchistan area has been of more of interest for India where people like Barbiyar etc were available for easy rent to do so.

Edit: W.r.t. Iran, I feel like there are two mainly groups with stance of being anti and pro Pakistan so may be it is like anti Pakistan group is being more active and involve in issuing threats and creating hype. However, Pakistan has been trying to keep the relations at best and may be it is not the government itself but the specific group is supporting anti Pakistan factions.

 

[Chak Bamu]

what bargaining. very easy to say.
what about the 1300+ people he killed?
it is now more of honour thing for us.

Personal notions like honor do not exist in matters of state-craft, except as a show.

They have the capacity and they will keep doing

Tunnel focus will make you miss important stuff. Read my post again.

 

[Hassan Guy]

who claimed responsibility?

 

[Hareeb]

Well if it has to be my observation then I wouldn't see either the person is biased or not. IMO, currently we have hostile situation with India, Afghanistan and recently the threats from Iran. Now coming to latest one from Iran, when it comes to play such games, I wouldn't trust anyone in this regard. There are certain points to ponder in such situation.

Firstly, the NDS/R&AW nexus against Pakistan and especially CPEC are not hidden. For the same reasons, several local factions like BLA etc have been supported by them through different means for only one purpose and that is Harm Pakistan and nothing else. In such devil's play, it is not necessary that only men with gun will be hired but it is all about how to achieve either by gun or pen.

Now coming to second observation that in my view, Iran's involvement is not new nor hidden to us since long especially after Afghan War. Either someone agree to it or not but to the some extent, we have nabbed many of such proxies as well as gathered enough information in past that how a sectarian game is being played only just because the majority was inclined in favour of GCC. In the same connection and in short, recently Pakistan agreed with Islamic Military Alliance and Raheel Sharif was issued with NOC to lead the same and by the same time, we received a reservation from Iran in this regard as well as then after, a threat just because someone played them on border. The irony is, when Iran can have more deep and close relations with India, our arch rival, and Pakistan never asked Iran to not to take side then opposing our joining into Islamic Military Alliance is nothing. However, I mentioned about Military Alliance only as a reference that how come a threat could grow further by connecting different developments. Interestingly, in this sectarian war, the so-called groups were mostly supported by our common enemy.

CPEC is the subject and we can clearly see who is suppose to object and wants to harm us. NDS/Afghan puppet regime is merely a pawn in this game which is being utilized well against hefty amount and dots are connected long back to India. In the same continuation, many of like BLA's etc have been supported by same enemy based upon single agenda and that is to harm Pakistan. ISIS is getting its foot hold in Afghanistan and for that, I blame Afghan Puppet Government that allowed more cancer only to deal with Taliban for which, being incompetent, they never arranged anything plausible so the peace may prevail. Same ISIS has been supporting all of them factions of TTP especially since given a good beat by Pakistan. As the TTP weakened and ran away then reached under umbrella of ISIS because it always needs back up and funds to operate and the same is well known for anti-Pakistan activities. India's support for TTP is well documented and can be understood by just hear to Mehsud and Ehsanullah confessions.

Iran has been hostile especially since fueling the sectarian issue whereby agencies have enough and credible evidence that how it was being worked and pushed, as well as recruiting Pakistanis for Syria and when Pakistan Joined Islamic Military Alliance, many of things became more clearer in this regard.

The thing is, these facts are not hidden or false but the problem arises where people get divided due to personal affiliation or liking and forgets about the Country. In my opinion, I will treat everyone as enemy if ever had a doubt that such & such have actually tried to harm me and in current situation, the hostile regimes and countries are pretty clear for us to understand that, who is really doing what. Kulbashan was housed in Iran and use to travel Pakistan regularly for many of times and was under Radar for almost two years before arrested. The same person was working for R&AW and is involved in many crimes and terrorist activities like the subject so there is no more iota of doubt to not to believe that how India is involved in anti-Pakistan activities. Baluchistan area has been of more of interest for India where people like Barbiyar etc were available for easy rent to do so.

Edit: W.r.t. Iran, I feel like there are two mainly groups with stance of being anti and pro Pakistan so may be it is like anti Pakistan group is being more active and involve in issuing threats and creating hype. However, Pakistan has been trying to keep the relations at best and may be it is not the government itself but the specific group is supporting anti Pakistan factions.

Great read indeed.

After all these evidences and proofs, Pakistan should start playing the same game (against these hostile nations) we played against Afghanistan in 70s, or in Mr. Trump's words: Grab Them By The Pussy.

Wrt to Iran, I think there is an on going power struggle between Rouhani government and the militiary. Two different statements by two different power houses is an evidence.

https://www.memri.org/reports/power...p-and-rafsanjani-and-his-camp-–-part-x1-clash

 

[Spring Onion]

Seems like that and also, the attackers could be one of many like either supported by BLA etc on backing of NDS or any sectarian group as well.

In Balochistan BLA-TTP-LeJ NDS had already joined hands all such bombings are their joint ventures though the ideologies are different but their aim is the same

 

[The Eagle]

After all these evidences and proofs, Pakistan should start playing the same game (against these hostile nations) we played against Afghanistan in 70s

IMO, firstly we need to secure inland and borders and wipe them off, every threat from the face of Pakistan. Engaging in such games, is exactly what enemy expect us to do as by the same, we will actually diverting our focus and will be ending in too many fronts as well as blames whereby, the enemies are already waiting to have such kind of proofs etc to malign Pakistan and drag it into a mud to never let it out.

I would like to go for inhouse cleaning and get rid of any such culprit as well as supporters and facilitators hence, the need of Zarb-e-Azb then Raddul Fasad. The Irony is, our own people are falling for propaganda which is created by proxy lovers in different names and fake ideology, and are becoming the pawns for which, our first priority should be Pakistan.

In Balochistan BLA-TTP-LeJ NDS had already joined hands all such bombings are their joint ventures though the ideologies are different but their aim is the same

Agreed. As I was also replying to our friend above that whether it is in the name of Religion, Sect or anything, the main goal of all these culprits is to harm and damage Pakistan. Targeting Ghafoor Haidri sahib is going to create an expected narrative among unguided people that it was done on behest of Sectarian Love and main focus would be diverted which IMO, is the core concern of these terrorists. This is not new but has been carried out since long if any member of Shia Sect is being attacked, the same is being labeled against Sunni side or vise versa but none said that these culprits and extremists have no agenda but Pakistan. We will be reading soon from extremists about this situation, to fuel it with sectarian targeting. Sectarian & ethnic violence have been funded a lot since long and we were good to deal with the same but seems like they are raising their heads again.

A specific ideology and warfare is actually being carried out to mislead and misguide the public either in the name of Ethnicity hatred or Sect that we read it in past as well. I hope and wish that some competent and eligible minds may have a reach in higher public office and an strategy to deal with this growing and most harming threat in near future.

 

[Hareeb]

IMO, firstly we need to secure inland and borders and wipe them off, every threat from the face of Pakistan. Engaging in such games, is exactly what enemy expect us to do as by the same, we will actually diverting our focus and will be ending in too many fronts as well as blames whereby, the enemies are already waiting to have such kind of proofs etc to malign Pakistan and drag it into a mud to never let it out.

I would like to go for inhouse cleaning and get rid of any such culprit as well as supporters and facilitators hence, the need of Zarb-e-Azb then Raddul Fasad. The Irony is, our own people are falling for propaganda which is created by proxy lovers in different names and fake ideology, and are becoming the pawns for which, our first priority should be Pakistan.



Agreed. As I was also replying to our friend above that whether it is in the name of Religion, Sect or anything, the main goal of all these culprits is to harm and damage Pakistan. Targeting Ghafoor Haidri sahib is going to create an expected narrative among unguided people that it was done on behest of Sectarian Love and main focus would be diverted which IMO, is the core concern of these terrorists. This is not new but has been carried out since long if any member of Shia Sect is being attacked, the same is being labeled against Sunni side or vise versa but none said that these culprits and extremists have no agenda but Pakistan. We will be reading soon from extremists about this situation, to fuel it with sectarian targeting. Sectarian & ethnic violence have been funded a lot since long and we were good to deal with the same but seems like they are raising their heads again.

A specific ideology and warfare is actually being carried out to mislead and misguide the public either in the name of Ethnicity hatred or Sect that we read it in past as well. I hope and wish that some competent and eligible minds may have a reach in higher public office and an strategy to deal with this growing and most harming threat in near future.

Got your point and agreed.

 

[Morpheus]

who claimed responsibility?

ISIS, according to tribune.com.pk

https://tribune.com.pk/story/140806...-haideri-injured-convoy-comes-attack-mastung/

 

[aqdas khan]

ISIS, according to tribune com pk

Thats an absolute joke. How did ISIS even get a foothold in Pakistan when they are struggling to survive in IRAQ. This definitely has to be raw funded BLA or TTP

 

[Spring Onion]

Thats an absolute joke. How did ISIS even get a foothold in Pakistan when they are struggling to survive in IRAQ. This definitely has to be raw funded BLA or TTP

ISIS got foothold in Pakistan through TTP.

IMO, firstly we need to secure inland and borders and wipe them off, every threat from the face of Pakistan. Engaging in such games, is exactly what enemy expect us to do as by the same, we will actually diverting our focus and will be ending in too many fronts as well as blames whereby, the enemies are already waiting to have such kind of proofs etc to malign Pakistan and drag it into a mud to never let it out.

I would like to go for inhouse cleaning and get rid of any such culprit as well as supporters and facilitators hence, the need of Zarb-e-Azb then Raddul Fasad. The Irony is, our own people are falling for propaganda which is created by proxy lovers in different names and fake ideology, and are becoming the pawns for which, our first priority should be Pakistan.



Agreed. As I was also replying to our friend above that whether it is in the name of Religion, Sect or anything, the main goal of all these culprits is to harm and damage Pakistan. Targeting Ghafoor Haidri sahib is going to create an expected narrative among unguided people that it was done on behest of Sectarian Love and main focus would be diverted which IMO, is the core concern of these terrorists. This is not new but has been carried out since long if any member of Shia Sect is being attacked, the same is being labeled against Sunni side or vise versa but none said that these culprits and extremists have no agenda but Pakistan. We will be reading soon from extremists about this situation, to fuel it with sectarian targeting. Sectarian & ethnic violence have been funded a lot since long and we were good to deal with the same but seems like they are raising their heads again.

A specific ideology and warfare is actually being carried out to mislead and misguide the public either in the name of Ethnicity hatred or Sect that we read it in past as well. I hope and wish that some competent and eligible minds may have a reach in higher public office and an strategy to deal with this growing and most harming threat in near future.

US considers CPEC a reason for militants' growth

Check seems everyone is playing own role

 

[aqdas khan]

So TTP is now ISIS? not very surprising both were funded by India and Israel. Ever wonder why ISIS has never attacked Israel even though attacked most of middle east and never attacked India even though attacked afghanistan, pakistan and bangladesh?

 

[SQ8]

ISIS got foothold in Pakistan through TTP.



US considers CPEC a reason for militants' growth

Check seems everyone is playing own role

I would not call it a foothold. Militants are essentially young men looking for a cause to do something on otherwise they have the choice of crime.
In this case, these micro cells of militants switch alliegances within the course of a week and basic email or telegram(the app) conversation

 

[aqdas khan]

But an honest question from patriotic pakistani. how can we get the old Pakistan back with zero terrorist attacks? it seems impossible nowdays

 

[The Eagle]

US considers CPEC a reason for militants' growth

Check seems everyone is playing own role

Well if it was considered to attest the rise of terrorism then it is ok but it would be really unfortunate as if CPEC is being labeled as controversial. So, shall we close it? You know the great game of own benefits and interests.

 

[Mrc]

Thats an absolute joke. How did ISIS even get a foothold in Pakistan when they are struggling to survive in IRAQ. This definitely has to be raw funded BLA or TTP

Through their foreign and local sympathizers