What's new

2,000 displaced Christians living in tents in Islamabad

Mig-29

FULL MEMBER
Joined
Jul 2, 2009
Messages
547
Reaction score
0
*Report quotes Christians as saying govt kicked them off their land without warning, officials say they were given ‘plenty of warning’

Daily Times Monitor

LAHORE: Nearly 2,000 Christian citizens of Islamabad have been living in tents for the past three months, according to a CNN report.

They say the government kicked them off their land without warning just because they are Christian. Government officials say they were given plenty of warning. They also say they will take care of the problem, a problem they are well aware of.

Minority Affairs Minister Shahbaz Bhatti says, “We are constitutionally bound to protect the life and property of the minorities and to look after the interests of the minorities in this country… they are equal citizens of the country. Yes, there is a problem, but we are trying to solve those problems.”

But regardless of any religious strife, people in the camp are dying of poverty. Two have died since the group settled here, and children are totally exposed to the sun. a doctor was brought in and he seemed stunned, both at its location and the conditions. “I think there’s a danger here, especially with some of the younger children, that they could just die from dehydration or from all kinds of infections,” said Dr Rizwan Taj. “I am very surprised, really because this is the centre of Islamabad, just right in the centre. And the facilities they need are not but 10 minutes from here.”

The water the camp is using to survive on comes from a broken pipe that runs underneath the road and out on one side. At the camp, the water used for drinking runs over a pile of trash and directly down into the makeshift toilets, which are two holes in the ground. Dr Taj says, “Typhoid will come to this camp – the conditions are ripe.”

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan
 
Very sad.

They should be treated like dihmis and not like second class citizens :yahoo:
 
Is there an end?

Thursday, 06 Aug, 2009 | 11:26 AM PST |
Time and again religious minorities have demanded repeal of the Anti-blasphemy law often used to target minorities, but the government remains indifferent. -Photo by AFP

Is there an end? Pakistan’s anti-blasphemy law, enacted by President General Zia-ul-Haq in1986 and later amended by the parliament in 2004, is one of the most stringent laws. The penalty includes a mandatory death sentence for defaming Prophet Mohammad and life imprisonment for desecrating the Holy Quran. According to official reports, to date, over 500 people have been charged for breaching the Blasphemy Law. Dawn.com traces the history of some of these cases that have been highlighted in the media since 1990.
2009 – August 05: An angry mob attacked the house of an elderly woman in District Sanghar, Sindh, accusing her of desecrating the Holy Quran. A case has not yet been registered but the District Bar Association assured the mob that if the woman – identified as Akhtari Malkani – is found guilty, she will be charged under the Blasphemy Law.

2009 – August 01: Seven people were burnt alive and 18 others injured in Gojra, District Toba Tek Singh in Punjab after fresh violence erupted in the town over the alleged desecration of the Holy Quran three days ago. More than 50 houses were set on fire.

2009 – July 31: A mob burnt 75 houses of members of the Christian community over the alleged desecration of the Holy Quran in the village Azafi Abadi at Gojra-Faisalabad Road. Seventy-five houses and two churches were burnt by the residents of a neighbouring village.

2009 – February: Five Ahmadis in Punjab’s Layyah district were arrested on charges of writing blasphemous remarks in the toilets of Kot Sultan’s Gulzar-e-Madina mosque. No evidence or witness was presented. They were just detained on a ‘presumption of guilt,’ stated the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan.

2009 – January 28: The Punjab police arrested a labourer and four students for blasphemy, all of whom were Ahmadis. They were accused of writing the name of Prophet Mohammed on the wall of a toilet in a Sunni mosque. Investigations into the case revealed that the accusation was baseless.

2008 – May: The Punjab police jailed Robin Sardar, a Christian physician, upon an accusation of blasphemy from a Muslim street-vendor who wanted to set up his shop in front of Sardar's clinic.

2008 – April 08: Jagdesh Kumar, a 27 year old Hindu worker, was beaten to death by fellow Muslim workers in his factory in Karachi on the charge of blasphemy. The incident took place in the presence of policemen. Some reports suggested that the victim was in love with a Muslim girl that angered the Muslim workers, who decided to teach him a lesson.

2008 – March 06: An elderly man, Altaf Hussain, was arrested for desecrating the Holy Quran in Kabir wala Town of Khanewal District in Punjab. The spokesman for the Ahmadiya community countered that the charges against the 80-year-old were false.

2007 – October 28: The police arrested Muhammad Imran of Faisalabad for allegedly setting the Holy Quran on fire. He was kept in a torture cell for three days and later in solitary confinement without anyone attending to his injuries. He was released in April 2009.

2007 – May 17: The nursing school at Pakistan Institute of Medical Sciences in Islamabad was shut down and seven Christian staff members suspended after female students of Jamia Hafsa protested over allegations that blasphemy had been committed at the school. Rumours spread that verses from the Quran posted on a wall had been defaced. School authorities denied all such claims.

2007 – April 13: Sattar Masih, a 29-year-old worker at a water pumping station in Kotri city of Sindh, was allegedly attacked by Muslim extremists for uttering blasphemous remarks. An imam of a local mosque, Maulvi Umer, announced some written papers against Prophet Mohammad were found outside the mosque authored by Sattar. Muslim worshipers attacked Masih's house and tried to kill him but the police arrived before that could happen. Masih was later arrested. Later, in January 2009, the accusation was declared baseless.

2007 – April 01: A case against Salamat Masih, 45, and four other Christians was filed for the desecration of Islamic posters and stickers containing the name of Allah, Prophet Mohammad and other Islamic verses in the Toba Tek Singh (Punjab) police station. The SHO allegedly converted the report into an FIR within 20 minutes without initiating any investigation. Subsequently, 80 young Muslims from the neighbourhood ransacked the houses of Christians in the colony.

2007 – January 22: Martha Bibi, a Christian woman from Kot Nanak Singh, District Kasur, was accused of making derogatory remarks about Prophet Muhammad and defaming his sacred name.

2006 – September 21: Shahid Masih, 17, was jailed on suspicion of ripping book pages containing Quranic verses in Punjab.

2006 – June 03: Christians and Muslims in Pakistan condemned Dan Brown's novel ‘The Da Vinci Code’ as blasphemous. The then Minister for Culture, Ghulam Jamal, banned the promotion of the movie.

2006 – May 24: A Christian, Qamar David, was arrested from Karachi for allegedly sending blasphemous messages to some Muslims via cell phone as revenge for attacks against churches by Muslims in Sukkur, Sindh, and Sangla Hill, Punjab, earlier that year.

2005 – December 23: Five members of the Mehdi Foundation International were arrested in Wapda Town, Lahore, for putting up posters of their leader Riaz Gohar Shahi showing him as ‘Imam Mehdi’. The Anti-Terrorism Court sentenced each to five years of imprisonment under 295-A of PPC. Their prisoners’ records posted outside the cell falsely indicate that they had been sentenced under 295-C – the Blasphemy Law.

2005 – November 12: After receiving frequent death threats, Parvez Aslam Chaudhry, a lawyer who defended many accused for blasphemy, was allegedly charged with flinging a burning matchstick on an Islamic school in the Sangla Hill stadium in Punjab which caught fire. Chaudhry was also physically assaulted outside Lahore High Court.

2005 – August 11: Judge Arshad Noor Khan of the Anti-Terrorist Court found Younus Shaikh guilty of defiling a copy of the Quran, and propagating religious hatred among society. Shaikh was convicted because he wrote a book ‘Shaitan Maulvi’ (Satanic Cleric) in which he mentioned stoning to death as a punishment for adultery was not mentioned in the Quran. The judge imposed a fine of Rs100, 000 rupees and sentenced him to lifetime imprisonment.

2003 - November 20: Anwar Masih, a Christian labourer and resident of Shahdara, Lahore, was charged for insulting the Prophet in front of his neighbour. Masih had converted from Islam to Christianity. He was acquitted by the Lahore High Court in December 2004. Later, in August 2007, he lost his job in a factory when his employer was threatened for employing a ‘blasphemer’. Masih went into hiding.

2003 – July 09: A journalist in NWFP was sentenced to life imprisonment for blasphemy. Munawar Mohsin, a sub-editor at the Frontier Post newspaper, was convicted of publishing a blasphemous letter in the editorial section that led to violent protests across the country.

2002 – July 18: Additional sessions judge in Lahore imposed death penalty and a fine of Rs500,000 on Anwar Kenneth, a former officer of the Fisheries Department, in a blasphemy case registered with the Gawalmandi police. He was arrested on June 15, 2001, while distributing a pamphlet (Gospel of Jesus).

2002 – June 11: A 55-year-old Muslim cleric, Mohammed Yousaf Ali, convicted of blasphemy was shot dead in the Lahore prison. The murderer was another prisoner, Tariq Mota, a member the banned Sunni militant group Sipah-e-Sahaba. Ali had been sentenced to death for blasphemy on August 5, 2000, in a case filed by another militant group who disapproved of his religious views. Ali had been vocal in condemning religious extremism.

2000 – October: Pakistani authorities charged Younus Shaikh, a teacher at a medical college in Islamabad, with blasphemy on account of remarks that students claimed he made during a lecture. The students alleged that Shaikh had said Prophet Mohammed’s parents were non-Muslims because they died before Islam existed. A judge ordered that Shaikh pay a fine of Rs100,000, and be hanged. In November 2003 he was acquitted after which he left Pakistan.

1998 – May 6: Roman Catholic Bishop John Joseph of Pakistan shot himself in the Sahiwal courthouse to highlight the case of Ayub Masih, a Christian sentenced to death for allegedly uttering blasphemous remarks against Prophet Muhammad. The death of the 66-year-old led to protests by Christians. Subsequently, the Lahore High Court ordered a stay of execution for Masih. His fate remains undecided.

1997 – October 19: Judge Arif Iqbal Hussain Bhatti was assassinated in his Lahore office after acquitting two people who were accused of blasphemy.

1996 – October 14: Ayub Masih, a Pakistani Christian bricklayer, was arrested for violation of Section 295-C. The complaint was filed by Masih’s neighbour who claimed that Masih had invited them to accept Christianity and recommended that they read Salman Rushdie's Satanic Verses. He later made legal history when his appeal against the death penalty was turned down by the High Court in 2002.

1995 – July: Catherine Shaheen, a teacher in Lahore, Punjab, was denied her salary on grounds of blasphemy. Since then she has been in hiding because of threats against her life made by some fundamentalists.

1993 – November 21: Riaz Ahmad, his son, and two nephews from the Ahmadi community were arrested in Mianwali District for their blasphemous remarks. The rivalry over Ahmad's position as village headman was the real motivation for the complaint against him. The Sessions Court rejected the bail applications of the accused, however, the Supreme Court granted him bail in December 1997.

1993 – May: Twelve-year-old Salamat Masih, Manzoor Masih, 37, and Rehmat Masih, 42, were charged with writing derogatory remarks against Prophet Mohammed on the wall of a mosque in Ratta Dhotran village of district Gujranwala - where they lived. All the three were in fact illiterate and did not know how to write.

1993 – February: Anwar Masih, a Christian from Samundri in Punjab, went to jail upon a Muslim shopkeeper's allegation that, during an argument over money, Masih had insulted the Prophet Mohammed.

1992 – November: Gul Masih, a Christian, was sentenced to death after having remarked to his Muslim neighbour in Punjab that he had read that ‘Prophet Mohammed had 11 wives, including a minor.’

1992 – Bantu Masih, 80, and Mukhtar Masih, 50, were arrested on the allegation of committing blasphemy. Both died in the Lahore police station. Bantu Masih was stabbed eight times by a fundamentalist in the presence of policemen. He later succumbed to his injuries, whereas Mukhtar Masih was tortured to death in police custody.

1992 – January 06: Christian teacher Naimat Ahmar, 43, was butchered by a young member of a militant religious group, Farooq Ahmad, on the office premises of the District Education Officer in Faisalabad while on duty. Ahmad killed him because the deceased had reportedly used highly insulting remarks against Islam and Prophet Mohammed and by killing a blasphemer he had won his way into heaven. No case of blasphemy was registered against him nor was he tried by any court. Ahmar left behind a widow and four children.

1991 – December 10: Gul Masih of Faisalabad was charged for using sacrilegious language about the Prophet and his wives. The complainant, Sajjad Hussain, had a quarrel with him over repair of a street water tap. Masih was sentenced to death by the Sessions Court, Sargodha, on November 02, 1992. Years later he was acquitted but continued to receive death threats. He is now in Germany on asylum.

1991 – October 08: Chand Barkat, 28, a bangle stall holder in Karachi, was charged with blasphemy by another bangle vendor, Arif Hussain, because of professional jealousy. Hussain decided to teach Barkat a lesson by accusing him of using derogatory language against Prophet Mohammed and his mother. Barkat was charged under section 295-C of PPC, however, he was acquitted by the Sessions Court for want of evidence.

1990 – December 07: Tahir Iqbal, a Christian convert from Islam and resident of Lahore, was accused of abusing Prophet Mohammad at the time of Azaan and imparting anti-Islamic education to children during tuitions. The sessions judge in July 1991 turned down his bail application after he learnt that Iqbal had converted to Christianity, which, he stated, was a cognisable offence. Later on July 21, 1992, before Iqbal’s defence lawyer could appear in court, he was poisoned in police custody.

DAWN.COM | Provinces | Is there an end?

---------- Post added at 07:57 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:56 PM ----------

Flames of hate

By Nosheen Abbas
Saturday, 08 Aug, 2009 | 07:52 AM PST

A Christian family sits in front of their destroyed house, after it was attacked by a mob in Gojra. –AP Photo/Alexandre Meneghini

Wide eyed, and alert, Javed and Irfaan, two brothers, step in to the house. They sit close to each other, almost in a huddle. Both look slightly anxious not knowing what to expect from our conversation, but as it progresses, they seem more at ease.

‘Two of my cousins and my aunt were burnt alive in the Gojra incident,’ Javed states, stressing on each word holding my gaze. Javed does most of the talking while 19-year-old Irfaan sits quietly staring and occasionally, faintly, repeating his brother’s last word. His cousins who were murdered were Honey who was in 8th grade and Saji, who was a little younger. Memories of them are as far away as seven to eight years, but they become ebullient as they reminisce about their horse play. ‘We used to play hide and seek...in the mountains, not like the ones here...we used to play that a lot,’ and they’re both smiling.

Javed oscillates between narrating the incident as he would to an investigator, standing on an emotional brink. Suddenly avoiding eye contact and looking into space, moist eyed, he pauses, ‘you know, I haven’t cried in years, but I cried so much when I heard about what happened.’

The attack that took place in Gojra on the 1st of August was a premeditated attack. Warning signs were given hours in advance with some armed victims keeping the attackers at bay for a few hours. All this time, the district police officer (DPO) opted to remain a silent spectator to the brutal killing and the police refused to step in. The mild admonition of the DPO entailed a transfer of his post. Given the grave outcome of the attack the state should have prosecuted the law enforcers who were supposed to adopt a strong stance against organised terrorism and against anyone who supports it, especially those who don’t prevent it from happening.

The incident at Gojra where seven Christian children women and men were burnt alive on the pretext of ‘blasphemy’ allegedly on the instigation of the banned Sipah-i-Sahaba is not an isolated incident. Minorities have been victims of many similar attacks in the past as well. Without a modicum of respite just a day after the Gojra incident, there was another vicious display of fanaticism in Sheikhupura when a factory owner was burnt alive. Incidents similar to these picked up pace after the blasphemy law was amended by the dictator, Ziaul Haq, creating a draconian version. It seems as if the only use of this amended law was for the purpose of misuse.

Isn’t it ironic that before Zia’s rule Pakistan had seldom witnessed such violent incidents. Majority of the Muslim countries, except for a few, don’t have blasphemy laws and no parallels can be found to the heinous incidents of murdering minorities in any part of the world as is in Pakistan. Since Zia’s politicisation of Islam, which corrupted the largely religiously-tolerant population, the state’s paucity of showing zero tolerance for raw crime has left the doors ajar for organised terrorism to flourish in Pakistan.

It wasn’t too long ago when Syed Mohammad Javed, the former commissioner of Malakand division, was openly siding and showing respect to Fazlullah and Sufi Mohammad – the very men whose militants carried out massacre and beheaded innocent civilians as well as personnel from the security forces. He even offered prayers behind Maulana Fazullah but the federal and provincial governments said nothing. It’s absolutely mind boggling to see the stark contradiction and oxymoronic actions of the government towards crimes and what has progressively become free organised terrorism.

In a country where Muslims account for more than 90 per cent of the population one wonders why there is even a need for a blasphemy law. J. Salik, the former federal minister and activist for minority rights, says there are reasons beyond religion that has given way to this law. ‘The main issue of minorities is land,’ he says. Attacks have predominantly been caused to grab land. And the tactic to manipulate the minorities oft their lands has been on the basis of false allegations, laws and rumours of blasphemy.

‘I conducted a comparative study and found out that 99 per cent blasphemy cases were based on false allegations due to personal feuds, trumped and false charges,’ says former law minister and current head of Human Rights Commission of Pakistan Iqbal Haider.

But violence against minorities runs deeper than that, stemming from the fundamental attitude emanating from the majority, of distrust, disapproval and hatred based on religious differences which was truly ignited during Zia’s rule. The sense of who we are as a nation since then has been defined more by religious affiliations than by nationalistic association, and this has divided the country into even smaller bits, leading men to commit inhumane crimes that run against the very teachings of a religion which they claim to ardently follow — a religion that has been reduced to hollow rituals, igniting hate among people of different religions as well as among Muslims.

The day after the Gojra incident, a group of people gathered on a green belt outside the National Press Club in Islamabad. As one got closer one could hear a faint sound of hymns. The group was led by a woman with a child leaning against a tree. Those present sat in heavy silence and those who spoke did so just to give information as to why they were there. There was a substantial turn up from the Christian community, but unfortunately no Muslims were to be seen. That said a lot.

nosheenabbas@gmail.com

DAWN.COM | Columnists | Flames of hate
 
In the name of religion

By Yaqoob Khan Bangash
Wednesday, 05 Aug, 2009 | 01:14 AM PST

THIS month we will be commemorating for the 62nd year running the carnage which engulfed the subcontinent in the name of religion — violence in the name of religion refuses to dissipate.

Yet again the land of five rivers has witnessed a spate of communal violence in which seven people were burnt alive, and much property and scores of houses ravaged. After 62 years the perpetrators and the victims have changed, but the motives and background remain the same.

Last weekend around 100 houses were looted and burned in and around Gojra. A few weeks ago dozens of houses were sacked and torched in Kasur. In both these incidents the perpetrators were from the Muslim community and the victims hapless Christians, with allegations that members of the minority community had desecrated copies of the Quran. Whatever the truth of these allegations, the response was completely disproportionate and criminal.

Just as in 1947-48 when Muslims lost their lives at the hands of Hindus because of their religion and Hindus were killed by Muslims for the same reason, here too some elements targeted the Christian community because of its faith. Such shameful behaviour, which in 1947 created wounds so deep that they have yet to heal, is still common in Pakistan.

A number of commentators blame the current levels of intolerance (be it between Sunnis and Shias or between Muslims and Christians or Hindus) on the Islamisation policies of Ziaul Haq. No doubt Gen Zia brought in the Hudood Ordinances and the blasphemy laws, but the sentiments today do not simply have their roots in questionable laws introduced in the Zia era. Even though Muslim-Christian riots invariably involve the issue of blasphemy, the central reason for the carnage which ensues is not the law but a general belief that violence in the name of religion is acceptable. Very few people were charged in either India or Pakistan for the 1947-48 massacres, nor were the perpetrators of the anti-Ahmedi riots in the 1950s brought to justice. Most instigators of Shia-Sunni violence also roam free, while the general tone after attacks on Christians has been of ‘forgiving and forgetting’.

When the last major attack on Christians took place in November 2005 in Sangla Hill in Punjab, I was involved in writing a full report of the incident for the National Council for Interfaith Dialogue led by the formidable Fr Francis Nadeem. During my research I attended many reconciliation meetings. The tone of all these meetings was very conciliatory and to an extent encouraging. However, at every meeting I heard “next time, we will not do this” (several houses, churches and a convent school had been torched by a mob in Sangla Hill). After hearing that I always wondered, what would these people do the next time there was such an allegation? If they will not torch their houses, will they just shoot them? Also, why is there always a mention of a ‘next time’? Why should there ever be a ‘next time’?

Giving compensation to the victims (which was done in Shantinagar in 1997 and Sangla Hill in 2005) will never solve the problem since there is always the threat of a ‘next time’ which occurred later in Kasur and now in Gojra.

The sense of loss, the fear of another attack and the trust lost can perhaps never be reclaimed. As long as the perpetrators are not prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and serious measures taken by the government to ensure a rapid and decisive response to such events, these incidents will continue to happen. Suspending police officers is only a piecemeal initiative. Prosecution for inciting and perpetrating violence, murder, civil unrest and terrorism are measures which will exhibit the seriousness of the government in tackling this menace.

In addition to the blasphemy allegation, the other thing common to the attacks is that they have so far been very well planned. No unruly mob consists of 30,000 people armed with everything from sticks to modern weapons as in Shantinagar. No unruly mob goes and buys sulphuric acid in the nearest big city and then plans an attack such as the one that took place in Sangla Hill. No unruly mob can successfully torch dozens of houses and then escape so easily as in Gojra.

It is clear that some aspects of the recent attacks have been clearly planned, either by local extremists or by national or international groups whose reading of religion is markedly different from that of the average Muslim’s. The failure of the local administration, which in all these incidents was a silent spectator, is inexcusable.

Whatever the specific motives behind a particular attack, it is clear that intolerance still thrives in Pakistan, be it against another religion or another sect. This attitude is the larger problem, and partly explains why adherents of a faith that espouses tolerance would torch the homes of those outside their religion.

Sixty-two years ago Pakistan was created because the Muslims of the subcontinent were not confident that India’s Hindu community would allow them to live in peace with full honour and dignity. Sixty-two years later, it is the Muslim community that is demonstrating that it cannot live peacefully with the adherents of other religions.

DAWN.COM | Editorial | In the name of religion
 
Garibnawaz your are writing rubbish. How many incidents have taken place in india against minority and hindus alike by hindus. The displace people will squating Government land and the Government has a right to recover the Land just as you do in Mumbai where you tare sown Muslim 'Slums' and leave them homeless. Have you forgotten the genocide of Muslims in Gujrat? Christains in other parts of your secular republic.?
 
Yes stop this damn rubish let us handle our own prob's & agenda's most of this news i don't even belive stop this rubish at once!!!!
 
Garibnawaz your are writing rubbish. How many incidents have taken place in india against minority and hindus alike by hindus. The displace people will squating Government land and the Government has a right to recover the Land just as you do in Mumbai where you tare sown Muslim 'Slums' and leave them homeless. Have you forgotten the genocide of Muslims in Gujrat? Christains in other parts of your secular republic.?

Indians will retaliate after learning their 3% Muslims. Expect that and reply wisely. If there has been 2000 Christians displaced from their homes, Indian will definitely use this to "counter" some. Understand they are in need to bash back.
 
Yes stop this damn rubish let us handle our own prob's & agenda's most of this news i don't even belive stop this rubish at once!!!!

Top Gun, this is not rubbish and this nothing to be noisy about. If there has been 2000 displaced Christians in Pakistan, we must move ahead and help them every way possible. Our problems are not as big as they are being projected. Lets be wise about our issues and Solve them instead of claiming as if they dont exist.

:pakistan:
 
Yes stop this damn rubish let us handle our own prob's & agenda's most of this news i don't even belive stop this rubish at once!!!!

How come this is rubbish news to you , to be fair i have quoted the article from a Pakistani daily or else it would have been labeled as Hindu-Zionist propaganda, when it comes to you you want to be left alone in regards to the treatment of minorities eh? that's not good ,l because it implies that the minorities who compromises less than 2% of the population are in news so often , definitely there is problem .
 
Salaam

Dear brothers, let us embrace reality.

Our treatment of minorities, particularly Christians, is very embarrassing and it serves only to tarnish the reputation of our beloved master, rasool’Allah Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him.

Indeed, India too has its problems but two wrongs don't make a right and such formulations would not be accepted in a court of law.

We must acknowledge our own shortfalls and then work to improve them.
 
Salaam

Dear brothers, let us embrace reality.

Our treatment of minorities, particularly Christians, is very embarrassing and it serves only to tarnish the reputation of our beloved master, rasool’Allah Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him.

Indeed, India too has its problems but two wrongs don't make a right and such formulations would not be accepted in a court of law.

We must acknowledge our own shortfalls and then work to improve them.

^^Now that is maturity.:tup:


Both Indians and Pakistanis should have such an attitude instead of deriving pleasure from each others problems.
 
I dont understand why Indians here post these kind of topics?,if i do same on some Indian forum i would be kicked out.
 

Pakistan Defence Latest Posts

Military Forum Latest Posts

Back
Top Bottom