1962 war tried to wake up Nehru with heavy punch: China daily

[beijingwalker]

1962 war tried to wake up Nehru with heavy punch: China daily
PTI | Jun 29, 2012, 06.19AM IST

BEIJING: Ahead of the India-China border talks, an official Chinese daily on Thursday said both countries need to learn a lesson from the 1962 war that even though Beijing may like peace, it will firmly defend "its" land.

Using strong words, the write-up in ruling Communist Party's Global Times' web edition said the 1962 war was to "wake up" former PM Jawaharlal Nehru from the influence of US and former Soviet Union by giving him a "heavy punch" .

It also claimed the real target for Chinese leader Mao Zedong's ire at that time was Washington and Moscow . "Fifty years ago, when China faced several difficulties both domestically and internationally, Nehru administration , encouraged by the US and the Soviets, brought more trouble to the Sino-Indian border between 1959 and 1962", the article titled 'China won, but never wanted, Sino-Indian war' said. Written by Hong Yuan, deputy secretary-general of Centre of World Politics at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, the article focus on China's victory and Beijing's "peaceful intentions" in declaring ceasefire despite the success and the "reluctance" with which China fought it.

 

[IndoUS]

1962 defeat was a good thing, it actually woke up the Indian politician and showed them the reality. Though it came with cost of our men, its still a lesson that was better learned early.

 

[kawaraj]

Nehru ruined the whole South Asia, traumatic till today.

this subcontinent should be no less backward than East Asia.

 

[third eye]

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1962 war was to "wake up" former PM Jawaharlal Nehru from the influence of US and former Soviet Union by giving him a "heavy punch" .


Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...ru-heavy-punch-china-daily.html#ixzz1z9SzMHwE

If this was the aim of the Mao in 62 he failed completely.

 

[Fazlu]

Wasn't it china that aggressively annexed Tibet and expelled its leaders ? India has always maintained diplomatic ties with Tibet and many consider it a spiritual destination. Even then India showed immense restraint.

By 1957 , and much before the dalai lama even crossed the Mac-Mahon line India-Peking ( now Beijing ) relations were rather strained. When an Indian parliamentarian ( Kushak Bakula ) visited Tibet, he noticed evidence of intense road building towards sinkiang. Then in July 1958, a chinese magazine printed a map that showed large parts of NEFA and Ladakh as Chinese territory.

We didn't start anything. You claimed our land and we were forced to defend it. In the end we lost but managed to seize Tawang in exchange for the wasteland that is aksai chin.

 

[beijingwalker]

Wasn't it china that aggressively annexed Tibet and expelled its leaders ? India has always maintained diplomatic ties with Tibet and many consider it a spiritual destination. Even then India showed immense restraint.

By 1957 , and much before the dalai lama even crossed the Mac-Mahon line India-Peking ( now Beijing ) relations were rather strained. When an Indian parliamentarian ( Kushak Bakula ) visited Tibet, he noticed evidence of intense road building towards sinkiang. Then in July 1958, a chinese magazine printed a map that showed large parts of NEFA and Ladakh as Chinese territory.

We didn't start anything. You claimed our land and we were forced to defend it. In the end we lost but managed to seize Tawang in exchange for the wasteland that is aksai chin.

Tibet is part of China,no country ever recognized that Tibet was an independent state,so what do you mean "annexation".it's nothing like Kashmir,Kashmir by internaitonal standard is a disputed land,but Tibet was and is part of China is an international consencus.

 

[Fazlu]

Tibet is part of China,no country ever recognized that Tibet was an independent state,so what do you mean "annexation".it's nothing like Kashmir,Kashmir by internaitonal standard is a disputed land,but Tibet was and is part of China is an international consencus.

Not really. In October 1950 China invaded and annexed Tibet. The Chinese has always "claimed" suzerainty over that COUNTRY, and in the past has exercised control over it. But, there had also been periods when Tibet was genuinely independent, as in the four decades before communist invasion.

Tibet, China after all, had sent separate, independent delegations to the Asia Relations Conference in '47.

 

[ephone]

Tibet is under China's control for more than 500 years. Communists take over Tibet is simply to replace ROC's role, just like they kick the ROC to the small island called Taiwan now.

Isn't it so hard for you to understand that Tibet is part of China by any standard??? When China controlled Tibet, U.S. was not even established yet.

Wasn't it china that aggressively annexed Tibet and expelled its leaders ? India has always maintained diplomatic ties with Tibet and many consider it a spiritual destination. Even then India showed immense restraint.

By 1957 , and much before the dalai lama even crossed the Mac-Mahon line India-Peking ( now Beijing ) relations were rather strained. When an Indian parliamentarian ( Kushak Bakula ) visited Tibet, he noticed evidence of intense road building towards sinkiang. Then in July 1958, a chinese magazine printed a map that showed large parts of NEFA and Ladakh as Chinese territory.

We didn't start anything. You claimed our land and we were forced to defend it. In the end we lost but managed to seize Tawang in exchange for the wasteland that is aksai chin.

Why don't you dummy ask your PM to clarify that matter???

Not really. In October 1950 China invaded and annexed Tibet. The Chinese has always "claimed" suzerainty over that COUNTRY, and in the past has exercised control over it. But, there had also been periods when Tibet was genuinely independent, as in the four decades before communist invasion.

Tibet, China after all, had sent separate, independent delegations to the Asia Relations Conference in '47.

 

[Fazlu]

Tibet is under China's control for more than 500 years. Communists take over Tibet is simply to replace ROC's role, just like they kick the ROC to the small island called Taiwan now.

Isn't it so hard for you to understand that Tibet is part of China by any standard??? When China controlled Tibet, U.S. was not even established yet.

"Control" as in a subservient state. And the claim "500" years is simply incorrect. I acknowledge that China has always "claimed" Tibet but Tibet itself has managed to remain largely independent. They were truly an independent nation for 40 years until China INVADED and ANNEXED it in October 1950.

 

[SamranAli]

1962 defeat was a good thing, it actually woke up the Indian politician and showed them the reality. Though it came with cost of our men, its still a lesson that was better learned early.

At least yo admit the truth.

 

[harpoon]

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1962 war was to "wake up" former PM Jawaharlal Nehru from the influence of US and former Soviet Union by giving him a "heavy punch" .


Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...ru-heavy-punch-china-daily.html#ixzz1z9SzMHwE

If this was the aim of the Mao in 62 he failed completely.

After 1962, Indian policy changed from a pacifist one to an aggressive one and began to modernize and expand our armed forces, first with the help of USSR and now with the active help of USA. We began a nuclear power and a missile power. Bcs of 1962, China have one more nuclear power with their missiles pointed at their cities. So whatever Mao chose to achieve, he failed.

At least yo admit the truth.

Yes we don't gloss over our defeats and shortcomings. the 1962 debacle taught our political leaders that peace can only be achieved through strength.

 

[Fazlu]

Getting back on topic,

The chinese were resentful of the popular welcome given by large sections of Indian population to the Dalai Lama. Peking claimed that the Tibetan popular uprising was the product of fugitive upper class reactionaries aided by "american imperialists" and the chiang kai-shek clique. chinese media went so far as to claim that a remote Indian town Kalimpong was the commanding centre of the revolt.

The commies could never understand that in a democratic country opinions are often expressed in severe criticism of the governemt policy . The '62 war can also be considered a war borne out of misunderstanding between proponents of two opposing ideologies.

Repressive communism and liberal democracy.

In India a great deal of latitude is allowed to the people so long as they do not indulge in actual violence. Such concepts go so far above commie thinking and ideology.

 

[beijingwalker]

Getting back on topic,

The chinese were resentful of the popular welcome given by large sections of Indian population to the Dalai Lama. Peking claimed that the Tibetan popular uprising was the product of fugitive upper class reactionaries aided by "american imperialists" and the chiang kai-shek clique. chinese media went so far as to claim that a remote Indian town Kalimpong was the commanding centre of the revolt.

The commies could never understand that in a democratic country opinions are often expressed in severe criticism of the governemt policy . The '62 war can also be considered a war borne out of misunderstanding between proponents of two opposing ideologies.

Repressive communism and liberal democracy.

In India a great deal of latitude is allowed to the people so long as they do not indulge in actual violence. Such concepts go so far above commie thinking and ideology.

Tibet is part of China is an international consensus,not even one country ever questioned it,not even India.but Kashmir is not,that is disputed land,as for uprisings,China rarely has that problem,I guess our neigbours have more of those "problems"than us,way more actually...

 

[Fazlu]

The blame for our loss cannot be placed entirely on Nehru. A great deal of blame goes to our defense minister Krishna Menon.

General Thimayya thought his troops should be prepped for a possible engagement with China. But, Krishna Menon insisted that the real threat came from pakistan.

Thimayya was also concerned about the antiquity of the arms his men carried. Our army men were still relying on the old .303 enfield rifle, a first world war gun, and a classic junk in the 60's.

Thimayya suggested that India must start to manufacture a Belgian automatic rifle under license ( I Don't remember what type , Sorry guys ). Krishna Menon rejected it and said that he was not going to have NATO arms in the country.

Fallout between the two resulted in Menon appointing to the rank of Lt. General an officer named BM Kaul, in supersession of twelve senior officers to him.

 

[OrionHunter]

Nehru may have awoken but his Congress Party is in deep slumber even today! Jeeeez!