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@forcetrip, I wasn't expecting such a post from you. You may or may not have wished to paint all Pashtuns as savages, however, that is what you precisely did.

Before posting anything you should have a full grip on the internal dynamics on that topic, specially under such sensitive times that we live in today. Do you have in inkling of rivalries between the tribes within N. Waziristan, now and then? Do you know which tribes were attacking different adjoining settled areas and why? If you know why, then we can come to the question if it was right or wrong.

Forget it, I'm sure you haven't even visited any place within Pakistan bar Karachi, Lahore, Islamabad, Larkana.....

Well, again with the assumptions. Read .. Read .. Do you not want for your whole community that you have for yourself? Because all I want is that. If I have to shock them into realizing that whats been happening since the past 70 years is exactly the opposite of what you have in life then so be it. You can call me anything you like. I think of them as an unalienable part of my country and civilization.

To start I am not sure if I should post photos from my trip to darra adam khel but that was a shorter trip due to security issues. I will post some pictures of the extensive trip we took to saif ul malook and outlying areas. Extensive meaning spending 2 and a half months around that part. Either way, its not such a big deal as you might have people imagine. I have had rougher times in interior sindh than KP.
 
Yara, I made a promise to myself not to carry anything connected to the internet while on holidays, and that's precisely what I did. For important works, my secretary / manager had my cellphone number to contact me......... so it was just family for the past 6 months.... mom, dad, sis, cousins, kids and wifey...... :)

Hey . :what: Where the hell have you been ? Unfotunately , lights gone !! Where do you live where one gets no Internet ?
 
TTP wants talks, calls on govt to lead on ceasefire
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TTP spokesman Shahid Shahid. — File photo
Updated 2014-02-21 16:11:48
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PESHAWAR: TTP spokesman Shahidullah Shahid on Friday said the Taliban were ready for talks despite the fact that the recent bombardment in North Waziristan was proof of the government's insincerity, DawnNews reported.

Speaking to journalists at an undisclosed location, the spokesman added that the war has been started by the government and it should also take the lead on a ceasefire.

Shahid said the Taliban were aiming to resolve issues through talks whereas the government was more focused on establishing its writ and the supremacy of the Constitution, which he said did not have a single element reflecting Islamic injunctions.

He said the TTP was serious about the dialogue, adding that the negotiators representing it were more independent than those representing the government.

Speaking to media representatives later, Professor Ibrahim Khan of the Jamaat-i-Islami (JI), who is also a negotiator for the TTP, said the Constitution was based on the injunctions of Islam and democratic in spirit.

Khan said the constitution had been signed by key religious figures, adding that he would comment on Shahid’s statement if the subject is later brought up by the TTP's political shura.


difference between 40 years of high tech weapons, can make even a stone talk for peace?
& we hve to live in our today , but not in the history 40 years back?
 
Only people like you can associate progress with the west. Progress in your dictionary is against islam. Again, not my problem. I polished boots for my western masters, delivered their food and wiped their floors. Thats whats called a job. I did all that and learned from them. Now they work for me, but somehow they do not have that idealistic approach and make it their "Ana" problem. Thats your feeble mindset that keeps your community to be one of the worst followers of your own version of islam. Grow up. If you fought an invader thats a noble thing. You have to protect yourself. But what did your tribe and community learn from that experience other than be constantly attacked? Not a damn thing. You actually unlearned a few other things, like respect for others. Since the paranoia of being conquered set in the whole society has just worked to become only one thing. Warriors. Thats not what a society is built on. The mongols followed that and look at them now. You need thinkers and rebels of the information age. You need creators and builders. The article shows you that you have learned nothing in the past 70 years, which is like 1000's of years in today's information age. You keep getting attacked like a bad virus and proudly profess that its hard work to defend your homeland. You become human sacrifices till the other person just tires themselves from killing astronomical numbers of you and then you celebrate your "victory". Wake up. If you do not learn from your defeats (or as you call victories) what do you bring to the table other than war stories of successful ambushes? You need to bring your community to a point that you can fight as equals, with education with diplomacy and without weapons. Stop being used as pawns for the rest of your lives.

The rebels fought the british back .. and then a few years later had one of the bloodiest civil wars in their history. 1861. They learned from that 150 years ago. Now they are in a position to treat your communities not more than annoying ant hills by throwing sugar and fire. Instead of your people wanting to make me do what they have been doing for the past 3000 years because that has worked out so well for them, its time they think about integrating some progressive architecture in their lives. If not they will continue to be a joke for others and an annoyance for us.
As if rural punjab, rural sindh and balochistan are at the peak of progress and development. Measure your community from point of view of west, they view you a backward community of a third world country. Compare standards of life of punjab and sindh to the west, bolti bund ho jaye gi. You guys make fun of poverty and crimes in india, kabi khud ka bi jaiza lia hey?. Dont talk in the manner as if you people have achieved the hieghts of progress and development. If i am suffering from load shedding, price hike, inflation , joblessness etc, then so are people of punjab and sindh.
 
Precisely that attitude, for past 1000 years, FATA and KPK of Pakistan, has never developed, backward, socio-economic deprivation and poor will continue to remain. Pakistanis will never come out of this 'ego' problem, unfortunately.
And how much progressive and developed was punjab and india 1000 years ago? They were just agricultural lands, majority of your population was hindu with regressive thoughts and backwardness. Do i even need to quote baburnama, what he says about indians and india? He mentions the poverty, backwardness and lack of gardens and proper infrastructure in india...he mentions that it is lagging behind afghanistan and that his mughal troops want to return back to afghanistan. Do you have any idea how much afghanistan was developed before mongol invasion? Read about mahmud ghaznavi era, at that time brahmans were pouring melted copper in the ears of your ancestors.
 
And how much progressive and developed was punjab and india 1000 years ago? They were just agricultural lands, majority of your population was hindu with regressive thoughts and backwardness. Do i even need to quote baburnama, what he says about indians and india? He mentions the poverty, backwardness and lack of gardens and proper infrastructure in india...he mentions that it is lagging behind afghanistan and that his mughal troops want to return back to afghanistan. Do you have any idea how much afghanistan was developed before mongol invasion? Read about mahmud ghaznavi era, at that time brahmans were pouring melted copper in the ears of your ancestors.

I agree with everything you said.. and i disagree with forcetrip...

But do you seriously want to quote baburnama? And do you know which city became baburs first capital .. how he treated the people... and it was babur himself who developed the capital with gardens etc... ?
 
Never changing, that's true, and it's testament to the bravery of our kin from the Pakhtun tribes for resisting invaders that had no right being there. I will salute them eternally for this and never forget when they reached out to us, the people of Azad Kashmir and the help they gave us in our hour of need.

Anyhow, the resistance now is nothing remotely compared to what happened then. We have a minority core group of terrorists who have killed more Pakhtuns than any invading force in history.
 
Do i even need to quote baburnama, what he says about indians and india? He mentions the poverty, backwardness and lack of gardens and proper infrastructure in india...he mentions that it is lagging behind afghanistan and that his mughal troops want to return back to afghanistan.

1. Babur was a Birlas Turk, who invaded India in order to seek refuge from his arch rivals, the Uzbeks from the North. He hailed from up north (lived in Samarqand, than ruled in Kabul, for some time in Herat etc) , hence was acclimatized to colder weather and a culture vastly different from those living in Indian subcontinent. Same was true for his troops, hence invading Indian subcontinent, and calling it home was not a picnic.

2. Babur nama is kind of Babur's autobiography, dictated by himself and written by his appointed scribes. Hence, Babur nama is not an independent, and unbiased/neutral historical account. Babur nama shows you things from the perspective of a ruler, and not from the sight of a commoner. His dislike for India is understandable, especially in the context that unlike his predecessors, he did not invade India for mere looting and plundering, but to seek refuge, and to call it home against his will.

3. As mentioned above, Babur nama is not an independent historical account, but even if we consider its accounts correct, the blame of poverty, backwardness, and lack of gardens, proper infrastructures goes to whom? Who was ruling the Delhi throne before Babur? It was Ibrahim Lodi. Lodis ruled Delhi sultante for the whole 75 years (1451-1526). Guess what, Lodis hailed from Afghanistan, and were Pashtoon.

4. You mentioned India lagging behind of Afghanistan... first of all, there is no historical proof (see points later in this post), but even if we agree on it for a while, question remains which Afghanistan? One that was ruled by the southern/south easterners (Pashtoon tribes) or the one ruled by the northerners (that include Uzbeks, Tajiks, Tatars, Mongols). Answer is, Afghanistan ruled by the northerners, who have always been more educated and civilized compared to southern/south eastern Afghans).

5. Historically, there is simply no comparison between the civilizations of the Indian subcontinent, and that of central Asia. Central Asians have produced great warriors, but no civilizations. They had a nomadic lifestyle, a hunter-gatherer society; hence they did not establish cities. There was only a brief period of time when Ameer Temur established his dynasty in and around Samarqand, and a civilization was born, which unfortunately lasted for less than 100 years. Civilizations come and go, but they leave behind great monuments, as evidence of their existence. Such monuments can be seen in Indian subcontinent, in Samarqand/Bokhara, in Persia, in Mesopotamia, in Egypt, in South America, but not in Afghanistan.

6. Those such as in Bamian, are located in the Northern Afghanistan, and there exists nothing in the southern Afghanistan, where Pashtoons hail from. Which suggests that southern Afghanistan never had any civilizations, thanks to the inter-tribal, inter-clan rivalries, and their resistance towards education, and learning.
 
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And how much progressive and developed was punjab and india 1000 years ago? They were just agricultural lands, majority of your population was hindu with regressive thoughts and backwardness. Do i even need to quote baburnama, what he says about indians and india? He mentions the poverty, backwardness and lack of gardens and proper infrastructure in india...he mentions that it is lagging behind afghanistan and that his mughal troops want to return back to afghanistan. Do you have any idea how much afghanistan was developed before mongol invasion? Read about mahmud ghaznavi era, at that time brahmans were pouring melted copper in the ears of your ancestors.

Dude Punjab has always been rich throughout its history , and there is no comparison to failed and degenerated provinces like KPK or FATA.

The Indian Punjab is the bread basket of whole of India, and the Pakistani Punjab is the bread basket of Pakistan, the most advanced, forward looking and richest areas in the whole of subcontinent to central asia.

You cannot even compare schools and level of education in Punjab to KpK, or Fata, the base of progress and welfare; your TTP types love to blow them up including the children and girls.

If the mountains can grow, food products on rocks and slides, KPK and FATA would have been the richest. Unfortunately you need fertile lands, water, plains, strong industrial manufacturing, services based technology, scientific, and rational minds, which for past 1000 years KPK and FATA severely LACKS.

And with this terrorist, back ward mindset of TTP, it will remain behind current Kabul, Afghanistan and other provinces of Pakistan.

I donot know where you been living before, Mars holes, Pakistani Punjab NEVER had majority Hindu population. India never existed before 1947. Afghanistan has always been backward stone age then as its same now.

Think before you speak, you are the only fool here!
 
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it was all the doing of outsiders who ruined the tribal way of life and didnt understand tribal areas , it was all fault of wahabi saudi arabia back then and its all the doing of wahabi saudi arabi now, the tribals were not involved in terrorist activity back then and they are not involved in terrorist activities now
 
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