14 students, one teacher killed in Texas elementary school shooting

[Novus ordu seclorum]

Do you hear of mass shooting in countries in Middle East and Asia of 21 dead.

Don't make your self sound stupid.

It is far worse in the middle east. Terrorism is a type of mass killing.

Terrorist Attacks in the Middle East: A Counter-Terrorism Medicine Analysis - PubMed

Despite a decline in terrorist attacks from a peak in 2014, terrorist events remain an important cause of death and injuries around the world, particularly in the Middle East where 24.9% of historic attacks took place. While MENA countries are often clustered together by economic and academic...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

'A total of 41,837 (terrorist) attacks occurred in the Middle East from 1970-2019 accounting for 24.9% of all terrorist attacks around the world. A total of 100,446 deaths were recorded with 187,447 non-fatal injuries. Fifty-six percent of all attacks in the region occurred in Iraq (23,426), 9.4% in Yemen (3,929), and 8.2% in Turkey (3,428). "Private Citizens and Properties" were targeted in 37.6% (15,735) of attacks, 15.4% (6,423) targeted "Police," 9.6% targeted "Businesses" (4,012), and 9.6% targeted "Governments" (4,001). Explosives were used in 68.4% of attacks (28,607), followed by firearms in 20.4% of attacks (8,525).'

 

[Great Janjua]

The driving force behind such attacks is the society America has become. A place filled with racial hatred, detached family ties, and no social brotherhood/unity. This is a perfect place for things to turn awful and if you add guns to that mix. That is a big NO.

 

[gambit]

The issue is not guns. Never was.

Was there really a gun range in the basement of Harborview Elementary School?

The short answer is yes. It was there for decades, and there are plenty of people still around in Juneau who remember it.

www.ktoo.org

Devalue the family. Defund the police. Democrats.

 

[BHAN85]

I don't think this attack had a racial angle, if that's what you are trying to suggest. The shooter himself was a Hispanic, also you heard how some cops came in and saved their own children from the shooter in the school while they ditched and allowed other kids to get shot dead by the gunman?

I'm talking about electronic surveillance and about online undercovers who did nothing to stop the attack and maybe they did everything to instigate it.

The terrorist uploaded photos of his weapons and threated online several times, it was so obvious than even in the social network he was known by other users by that kind of threats.

It's impossible USA online surveillance cops didn't know something.

They are the main culprits, by incompetence in the best of cases, and by instigation in the worst. They are the racists, the white supremacists who dont give a fck if the victims are non-anglo-whites.

I'm tired of see this kind of things, I'm tired of see online western undercovers encouraging crimes, they are a bunch of fucking idiots paid by taxpayers money.

 

[FuturePAF]

According to other accounts, he suffered from stuttering, of which he was picked upon.


That is true. In general, there are two ways...

1. Society would be self monitoring and report to the government of who seems to exhibit suspicious behaviors. Essentially, we would be all snitches.

2. The government would be all surveillance.

I know of at least one group in this forum who would support both. As far as this shooter is concerned, his father was gone, his mother a drug addict, and his grandfather a convicted felon, that leave his grandmother seemingly the only adult in his life. So just from this parental environment, any one would be ripe for a terrible childhood. Who is to be blamed now?

We need programs to divert kids from a life of crime like this guy. Hopelessness and rootlessness is a huge problem in our society.

I don’t advocate a surveillance state or to “amend” the second amendment. There is a perfectly legitimate reason for the second amendment, so much so that it came before the four and fifth amendment that would be most relevant to a preventing larger domestic surveillance setup.

So we need universal funding for mental health care, drug rehab, and counseling for family disputes (so we can be our brother’s keeper as it were). But along with this we need red flag laws to prevent (for at least some time) people that come to the attention of law enforcement in the course of regular police work to be prevented from buying guns if they are determined to be a credible threat to themselves and/or others.

Or prisons also need to become legitimate places of rehabilitation, with a plan for people after prison to include vocational training. But for certain crimes we need more severe punishments to deter crimes like murder or rape or armed robbery, etc.

 

[khansaheeb]

Seems like no one is immune and it is hitting all segments of society:-

Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords, Astronaut's Wife, Shot in Arizona​

By Space.com Staff published January 10, 2011

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Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords (right) with her husband, NASA astronaut Mark Kelly. (Image credit: Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords office)


Arizona Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords, the wife of NASA astronaut Mark Kelly, was shot in the head in Tucson today (Jan. 8) at a public event during a violent attack that killed five people – including a 9-year-old child – and injured several others.


Giffords, 40, is in critical condition and responding to doctors after undergoing surgery, according to doctors at the University Medical Center of Tucson. At least 11 other people were also injured when a gunman opened fire at a Safeway grocery store, CNN reported.

Giffords (D - Ariz.) was holding a constituent meeting at the store when she was shot in the head shortly after 10 a.m. MST (12 p.m. EST). The suspect in the shooting is reportedly in custody, according to a statement issued by the U.S. Capitol Police.
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President Obama called the shooting in Arizona "an unspeakable tragedy" in a statement released by the White House. "And while we are continuing to receive information, we know that some have passed away, and that Representative Giffords is gravely wounded," he added.
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In a televised statement, President Obama said Giffords is a friend and well-liked in the political world. He assured a full investigation is under way.


"We are going to get to the bottom of this, and we are going to get through this," President Obama said.

Giffords and other victims in the shooting were taken to the University Medical Center of Tucson.

The hospital's trauma director Peter Rhee said Giffords is out of surgery and is responding to commands. He said Giffords was shot through one side of the head "through and through," but she is recovering.

"I'm about as optimistic as it can get in this situation," Rhee said in a press conference at the hospital. Officials urged members of the media for patience after earlier reports of Giffords' death proved to be premature.

Rhee said that 10 shooting victims are at the hospital, five of whom are in surgery and five others are in critical condition. Rhee also said another victim, a 9-year-old girl, has died.

Giffordswas first elected in 2006. She holds seats on the House Science and Technology and House Armed Services committees and has served as chairwoman of the House Space and Aeronautics Subcommittee.

She is also married to NASA astronaut Mark Kelly – a veteran of three space shuttle flights – who is scheduled to command the final flight of space shuttle Endeavour, which is slated to launch April 1. Giffords' brother-in-law Scott Kelly, is also a NASA astronaut. He is Mark Kelly's identical twin brother and is currently living aboard the International Space Station as commander of the Expedition 26 mission.

NASA chief Charles Bolden said in a statement that the U.S. space agency is " deeply shocked and saddened" by the shooting of Giffords and others in Tucson. Giffords is a personal friend, Bolden added, and she has been a long-time supporter of NASA and is a "strong advocate for the nation’s space program and a member of the NASA family."

"We at NASA mourn this tragedy and our thoughts and prayers go out to Congresswoman Giffords, her husband Mark Kelly, their family, and the families and friends of all who perished or were injured in this terrible tragedy," Bolden said.

The motive for the today's shooting is unclear.

"We're just trying to sort this out right now," sheriff's spokesman Deputy Jason Ogan said, according to CNN.

"We do not yet have all the answers," President Obama said in his statement. "What we do know is that such a senseless and terrible act of violence has no place in a free society. I ask all Americans to join me and Michelle in keeping Representative Giffords, the victims of this tragedy, and their families in our prayers.

Editor's Note: This story was updated to reflect the fact that Giffords is in critical condition, after early news reports prematurely reported that she had been killed.
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[Faqirze]

I'm tired of see online western undercovers encouraging crimes, they are a bunch of fucking idiots paid by taxpayers money.

Idiots? they are only doing their job.

I'm talking about electronic surveillance and about online undercovers who did nothing to stop the attack and maybe they did everything to instigate it.

The terrorist uploaded photos of his weapons and threated online several times, it was so obvious than even in the social network he was known by other users by that kind of threats.

Its almost as if they were behind it

 

[Corax]

The issue is not guns. Never was.

Was there really a gun range in the basement of Harborview Elementary School?

The short answer is yes. It was there for decades, and there are plenty of people still around in Juneau who remember it.

www.ktoo.org

Devalue the family. Defund the police. Democrats.

When powerful nations inevitably decline and collapse, they usually sow the seeds of their own destruction. Carry on doing what you're doing in the US.

 

[BHAN85]

Idiots? they are only doing their job.

Its almost as if they were behind it

They are doing their job when they avoid a attack. That's their job, avoid attacks and crimes, and dont instigate it and let it happen.

If you as undercover instigate a crime and you finally dont avoid it, then you are the problem.

Texas school shooting: Suspected gunman made threats, called 'Yubo school shooter' on platform, users said

Salvador Ramos, 18, the suspected shooter of the mass shooting at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, expressed violence and harassed people online, new text messages show.

www.foxnews.com

USA online agents must be investigated, in this and in the Buffalo case.

In both cases the terrorists behavior online was very obvious before the attack, they must know something, and maybe some agent/undercover/police informant talked to the terrorists online before the attacks, that information should be published.

Stop protecting the idiots who cause attacks instigating it online through bots/undercover/police informants.

It's very easy provocate a attack talking online to a mentally ill armed teenager, and without that instigation, it never had happened.

 

[313ghazi]

At least our government hasn't resorted to running its own citizens over with tanks to give them their freedom.

Most people in the US have only seen a tank on tv...in China people could see them rolling over people in their own capital.

Give it time, republicans and gun nuts will be arguing soccer mom's ought to be doing the school run in them.

It's nut how you r nation is so blasé about school shootings.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Give it time, republicans and gun nuts will be arguing soccer mom's ought to be doing the school run in them.

It's nut how you r nation is so blasé about school shootings.

No, it's nutty that the people in states where shootings happen all the time are so blasé about gun ownership and crime. They do not seem interested in changing. The rest of us in the other states can only sit and watch as helpless as you are in the UK about some issue in France. The only thing you can do is have President Ursula Gertrud von der Leyen try and talk to France...but you know how useless that is since she can do very little. Same scenario here with Biden...he can't do much. Only the state leaders can do anything.

 

[313ghazi]

No, it's nutty that the people in states where shootings happen all the time are so blasé about gun ownership and crime. They do not seem interested in changing. The rest of us in the other states can only sit and watch as helpless as you are in the UK about some issue in France. The only thing you can do is have President Ursula Gertrud von der Leyen try and talk to France...but you know how useless that is since she can do very little. Same scenario here with Biden...he can't do much. Only the state leaders can do anything.

I didn't realise individual states wield so much power.

Is there anything the federation or the business community can do to coerce them?

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

I didn't realise individual states wield so much power.

Yes, people should really think of the US in the same terms as the EU. One state has completely different laws as the other and going from one to the other is like going to a different country in the EU.

That's why I gave the example of people in Greece don't jump when something happens in the UK. They aren't suddenly arming their teachers because of some shooting in the UK...and they aren't worried about spillover. I guess we should condemn them for being so blasé about EU violence.

As with countries in the EU what one likes the others don't like and what one thinks is normal the other thinks is abnormal.

Is there anything the federation or the business community can do to coerce them?

Well they can be like Elon Musk and move their Tesla headquarters from California to Texas out of disgust with their business policies.

 

[BHAN85]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/texas-shooter-sent-warning-signs-messages-mostly-too-late/2022/05/26/158710a2-dd3a-11ec-bc35-a91d0a94923b_story.html

As a little observation.

Instagram photos posted under his moniker TheBiggestOpp showed him in front of a mirror taking a selfie and one of a gun magazine in his lap.

The terrorist changed his nickname to "TheBiggestOpp" before the attack ("The Biggest Operation" I guess, in reference to his planned terrorist attack).

That way of talking ("Op" for "Operation") reminds me the retardeds script kiddies of Anonymous, a fake organization plenty of undercovers and USA state bots.

The kiddies of Anonymous ended talking using the same words that the undercovers who they were talking to.

Maybe the Uvalde terrorist also copied that talking manner from USA undercovers.

It's time to USA state say what the hell the undercovers and bots tell online to mentally ill armed teenagers. Because they are incitating terrorists acts with those talkings, and when terrorists act, they dont stop them.

 

[Oldman1]

The driving force behind such attacks is the society America has become. A place filled with racial hatred, detached family ties, and no social brotherhood/unity. This is a perfect place for things to turn awful and if you add guns to that mix. That is a big NO.

Say what? Are you implying that only in America there is violence but not outside or overseas in non-American countries?