14 students, one teacher killed in Texas elementary school shooting

[Faqirze]

There's only 14,000 people in that town and their median household income is only $45,000. Don't expect some huge police force with a SWAT team.

Welcome to the City of Uvalde

Welcome to the City of Uvalde

www.uvaldetx.gov

Doesn't matter, a couple police officers armed with guns should easily be able to take on a single shooter. What did they even do in training if they were scared sh1tless to enter the school despite their sheer numbers and strength?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...oting-elementary-suspect-latest-b2088300.html

 

[khansaheeb]

If someone like that (current head coach of the Golden State Warriors) gets that emotional and makes such statements at an NBA conference final press meeting, just goes to show how people are affected by these terrible events and how nothing is being done about it.

You said what can Biden do? He wants to do exactly what you are advocating, which is banning all assault rifles and military style weapons from being legally permissible to possess. Basically ban guns and eventually the 2nd amendment would have to be amended because of that. But it's been tried before and the two party system doesn't allow it to pass the House or the Senate because there are too many who don't want guns banned.

Nothing to do with his foreign policy towards China.

How many children will it take to make them change their minds.

 

[gambit]

Doesn't matter, a couple police officers armed with guns should easily be able to take on a single shooter. What did they even do in training if they were scared sh1tless to enter the school despite their sheer numbers and strength?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...oting-elementary-suspect-latest-b2088300.html

Yeah...Am sure you speak from yrs of personal experience in combat.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

How many children will it take to make them change their minds.

For Califrnia, Texas, Illinois, Florida, and New York it's just too little too late.

Yeah...Am sure you speak from yrs of personal experience in combat.

There's no health packs lying around for an AR-15 wound.

Head wound of one of the border patrol officers who engaged Salvadore Ramos

 

[gambit]

How many children will it take to make them change their minds.

Change our minds about what? Are you willing to discuss in a rational ADULT manner? Or are you just here to make empty comments just to make you sound virtuous?

 

[Cancerous Tumor]

Researchers offer suggestions for how to prevent the next school shooting

After several high-profile school shootings in recent years, school safety experts have centered on some important measures that communities and politicians can take to protect students.

www.npr.org

"do we want to change or is this acceptable to us ?"

solutions ?
They asked for universal background checks and banning assault style weapons.

"we don't let people buy hand grenades we don't let people buy bazookas and other instruments of war"

What schools can (and can't) do to prevent school shootings

After several high-profile school shootings in recent years, school safety experts have coalesced around a handful of important measures that communities and politicians can take to protect students.

www.npr.org

 

[gambit]

Researchers offer suggestions for how to prevent the next school shooting

After several high-profile school shootings in recent years, school safety experts have centered on some important measures that communities and politicians can take to protect students.

www.npr.org

"do we want to change or is this acceptable to us ?"

solutions ?
They asked for universal background checks and banning assault style weapons.

"we don't let people buy hand grenades we don't let people buy bazookas and other instruments of war"

What schools can (and can't) do to prevent school shootings

After several high-profile school shootings in recent years, school safety experts have coalesced around a handful of important measures that communities and politicians can take to protect students.

www.npr.org

The shooter passed the background checks.

Here is the deal...

Most 18 yrs old do not have criminal backgrounds, even juvenile records. Most of us passed thru that period in life with just speeding tickets or making too much noise at 3 AM. However, this shooter gave clues of his mental state that did not trespass criminality. He had a bad family, but that is not criminal. He posted online that he like machine guns, but that is not criminal. He was emotionally damaged from being bullied, but that is not criminal. In other words, there was nothing criminal about him, so he had to pass background checks.

What is 'assault style' weapons? What is/are the criteria?

 

[Cancerous Tumor]

The shooter passed the background checks.

Here is the deal...

Most 18 yrs old do not have criminal backgrounds, even juvenile records. Most of us passed thru that period in life with just speeding tickets or making too much noise at 3 AM. However, this shooter gave clues of his mental state that did not trespass criminality. He had a bad family, but that is not criminal. He posted online that he like machine guns, but that is not criminal. He was emotionally damaged from being bullied, but that is not criminal. In other words, there was nothing criminal about him, so he had to pass background checks.

What is 'assault style' weapons? What is/are the criteria?

They mean military grade weapons. couple of seconds 10s of bullets fired.
Argument is there is already effective ban on certain type of weapons which they have similar effects to AR-15s.

Their solutions are not exactly related to this case in particular but to prevent similar cases in future.

 

[khansaheeb]

Change our minds about what? Are you willing to discuss in a rational ADULT manner? Or are you just here to make empty comments just to make you sound virtuous?

Try reading instead of bitching, it's obvious what my comment was in response to-"But it's been tried before and the two party system doesn't allow it to pass the House or the Senate because there are too many who don't want guns banned." Are you that cold blooded and emotionally deficient to not have any feelings for murdered children, do you have any parental feelings for children or do you have zombified attachments to human values? Can you not empathise or sympathise with the grieving mothers and fathers and siblings? How did you lose the attributes that make us humans through the millennium of love and affection passed down the generations? Being an "adult" doesn't mean you cast aside humanity and become a hollow man. Ban guns now and correct the society.

 

[FuturePAF]

There's only 14,000 people in that town and their median household income is only $45,000. Don't expect some huge police force.

Welcome to the City of Uvalde

Welcome to the City of Uvalde

www.uvaldetx.gov

look how tiny the station is:

Google Maps

Find local businesses, view maps and get driving directions in Google Maps.

www.google.com

It looks like the US Border Patrol were the actual ones who came to the scene and shot the suspect (border about 50 miles away) not the local Uvalde police.

They spend 40% of the town’s budget on the police.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1529680666782101504

This is the town’s tactical team, so it’s not like they don’t have trained professionals around to do the job. But as we learned from Afghanistan and Ukraine, the will to fight either there or not.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1529671722936442880

In the hour the cops were doing nothing, a mom took matters into her on hands and got her kid out safely.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1529897589306695680

 

[FuturePAF]

The shooter passed the background checks.

Here is the deal...

Most 18 yrs old do not have criminal backgrounds, even juvenile records. Most of us passed thru that period in life with just speeding tickets or making too much noise at 3 AM. However, this shooter gave clues of his mental state that did not trespass criminality. He had a bad family, but that is not criminal. He posted online that he like machine guns, but that is not criminal. He was emotionally damaged from being bullied, but that is not criminal. In other words, there was nothing criminal about him, so he had to pass background checks.

What is 'assault style' weapons? What is/are the criteria?

According to some accounts he was not bullied, but went to the park to pick fights and torture animals. The killer’s background needs to be throughly studied to find out if there is any merit to these allegations and what if anything could have been done if the authorities had been alerted sooner.

We need to definitely do more to restrict mental disturbed people from getting guns but we also need funding for mental healthcare on a level where anyone that seeks care can get care, with follow up in their communities as envisioned in the 60s (to utilize the patient’s local familial support network where possible) but never properly funded/implemented. This should also be the case for drug rehab.

At least for these two areas, healthcare should be fully covered by government funding.

If we can identify troubled individuals and treat them early we may be able to save so many more lives (perpetrators and victims) and also nip so many tragedies in the bud (not just mass shootings but suicides and domestic violence). With enough resources, potentially violent people can be flagged, so that if they want to buy a gun, they can be evaluated more throughly before they are sold a gun or ammo; balancing the second amendment and mental healthcare.

 

[Brainsucker]

Why don't you just forbid the ownership of all firearm in United States of America? It will solve all the problem of the shooting.

 

[TNT]

Americans would be like, its not fault of the gun lolz. Its like americans are becoming psychos and its easy to get arms. The whole country will soon implode and most will kill each other.

 

[gambit]

They mean military grade weapons. couple of seconds 10s of bullets fired.
Argument is there is already effective ban on certain type of weapons which they have similar effects to AR-15s.

Their solutions are not exactly related to this case in particular but to prevent similar cases in future.

Am USAF veteran. F-111 Cold War, then F-16 Desert Storm.

For us military people, we laugh at the phrase 'military grade' because we know there is no such thing. At best, to be 'military grade' is to be built by the lowest bidder, the insinnuendo here is that the item is less than ideal.

Anyway, the shooter did not used an automatic weapon. He used either a semi automatic AR-15 or a semi automatic pistol. The ballistic investigation is still going to determine exactly which, but from his purchase record, he did not purchase an automatic weapon.

Why don't you just forbid the ownership of all firearm in United States of America? It will solve all the problem of the shooting.

There is something call the US Constitution, specifically, the Second Amendment. Have you tried researching it?

 

[Faqirze]

Yeah...Am sure you speak from yrs of personal experience in combat.

I understand where you're coming from, but with all that budget dedicated to the police, they should have easily been able to take on some single freak with a handgun. I mean how were they not prepared for such an operation? they outnumbered the guy yet decided to stay back and do nothing while he shot those poor children dead. Isn't it part of basic police training to be mentally prepared for such situations?