10 terrorists entering India: The real story behind the alert from Pakistan

[ranjeet]

Well isn't that the question that all Pakistanis are trying to dodge? For them it is a case of "we gave you this ambiguous input, take it and be grateful, ask no more questions"

Yeah more like we gave you the intel, take it and go. If Pakistani NSA knew that that 10 guys were sent I am sure he can dig around a little more to find who sent them and take necessary action to demonstrate that they mean business. Why give another chance to such groups to create more trouble in future?

 

[mkb95]

You can call it fiction all you want, but if an attack does occur, let it be known that Pakistan was the one that tried to prevent it.

Catching terrorists isn't a 9-5 job, you don't go to work, catch a terrorists in a day, and then go home. These things take time, it can take weeks, even months to do so.

No doubt that as soon as this information became public, the group may have gone into hiding, which would be the logical thing to do.

As it is, this article isn't nothing more than a piece of sensationalism, to rile up the public.


Your advice is as worthless as you not wanting to trust Pakistan.

Pakistan did something it didn't have to, it's up to India to believe this or not. If an attack occurs, it's no longer a Pakistani concern.

your whole post describes why pak would do this.
"If an attack occurs, it's no longer a Pakistani concern."
pak didnt had this comfort in many other attack happened on indian soil.every time they were accused of "not doing enough" by international community.so this time they can just point towards this and become good guys in this fight.

 

[That Guy]

your whole post describes why pak would do this.
"If an attack occurs, it's no longer a Pakistani concern."
pak didnt had this comfort in many other attack happened on indian soil.every time they were accused of "not doing enough" by international community.so this time they can just point towards this and become good guys in this fight.

A paranoid excuse, nothing more. Either this threat exists, or it doesn't, make up your mind. You can't have both.

 

[dadeechi]

My only advice when working with Pakistan never ever let your guard down. Never fully trust them. You will be let down big time.

I hope that Modi does not turn into another Morarji Desai.

 

[Abingdonboy]

A paranoid excuse

I think India has every right to be so given its history.

Either this threat exists, or it doesn't, make up your mind. You can't have both.

Well, right now it is unclear if the threat exists or doesn't but there is some justified cynicism being shown to Pakistan's "help".

 

[That Guy]

Right- plausible deniability.

But the question that arises from this explanation is, how did the Pak NSA know about such an infiltration when the Indian and American intel agencies had no such input?

How do I know what I ate, and you don't? They are three different agencies with three different sources. Just because Pakistan knows something, doesn't automatically mean that India and the US also know it as well.

When the soviet invasion of Afghanistan happened, the only reason why the US even found out about it was when Pakistan told them.

It's true but the fact that there has not been a single bit of evidence uncovered that they ever entered India (no sightings, no kidnappings, no suspicious tracks along the border etc) is what is most telling. There doesn't seem to be a trial to follow, all there is is the word of the Pak NSA.

There is no evidence that I was in my kitchen, eating a sandwich last night, but that doesn't mean it never happened. This logic is flawed.

What a foolish hope. Just providing the vaugest of intel does not rid Pakistan of all culpability- they will still have been Pakistani terrorists that infiltrated from Pakistan. That will provoke the typical awkward questions for Pakistan- who trained them? How were they radicalised? How did they exist in training and planning inside Pakistan with no security agency intervening? How did they leave Pakistani soil unchallenged? etc etc

It's not a hope, it is fact. In the end, India can be asked similar questions, how did they enter India unchallenged? Why didn't Indian agencies intervene? etc etc.

This isn't about some sort of plausible deniability, or paranoid thoughts "it never happened".

You cannot say that this never happened, but on the other hand, say "plausible deniability". It's a double standard, designed to take all responsibility away from Indian agencies, and declare them innocent of incompetence, right from the beginning.

 

[Areesh]

That's what you get when you try to cooperate with a nation that is high on bollywood movies.

 

[Abingdonboy]

How do I know what I ate, and you don't? They are three different agencies with three different sources. Just because Pakistan knows something, doesn't automatically mean that India and the US also know it as well.

When the soviet invasion of Afghanistan happened, the only reason why the US even found out about it was when Pakistan told them.

In 2016, much of the intel is SIGINT and ELINT and the US has by FAR the most developed intel apparatus on the planet (they spend more than the next 20 countries combined on intel) and they also have exstensive assets inside Pakistan, if they are unaware of such an event (remember they were aware of 26/11 to a large degree) and so is the Indian side that too has significant intel capabilities then it rasies some questions of Pakistan's warnings.

It's not a hope, it is fact. In the end, India can be asked similar questions, how did they enter India unchallenged? Why didn't Indian agencies intervene? etc etc

If a terror attack happened these questions WOULD be asked just like they were asked post-26/11. But are you really going to say Indian and Pakistani security agencies share the same weighting of blame here? When you Pakistanis being recruited, radicalised, trained and launched on/from Pakistani soil into India where they may be for a very short period, which security apparatus had the more limited window? Which country deserves to shoulder the majority of the blame?

All Pakistan seems to be doing is declaring it is a banana republic that has no control over its territory or ctizens and thus can't be held accountable for their actions, am I correct?

This isn't about some sort of plausible deniability, or paranoid thoughts "it never happened".

You cannot say that this never happened, but on the other hand, say "plausible deniability". It's a double standard, designed to take all responsibility away from Indian agencies, and declare them innocent of incompetence, right from the beginning.

It's nothing of the sort. The men are still being hunted but given the fact it has been almost a week and there is no sign they ever eve existed and the Pakistani side has offered nothing since the vaugest of vauge intel inputs there is rightly some unease about the exact nature of this "assistance".

That's what you get when you try to cooperate with a nation that is high on bollywood movies.

How ca you possible turn this around on India? Pakistan is the side that provided such information, what part of what has followed is "bollywood-esque?"

 

[Blue Marlin]

New Delhi, Mar 9: A few days back there was an alert from Pakistan stating that ten terrorists had entered India. The security mechanism went into a tizzy with vigil being upped in Gujarat, Delhi among other places.

The question is where are these terrorists? It has been almost five days since the alert and none of them have been found leave alone being tracked at least. Real story behind the alert from Pak The question is did ten terrorists really come into India? If they have then where are there and why is the police of so many states unable to find them. Why is there not even a single bleep on the radar of the Intelligence Bureau. Even the Intelligence United States of America says that there is nothing as of now to suggest that ten terrorists have entered. Things brings us to the question- why did Pakistan issue the alert? Why did Pakistan issue this alert? A highly placed source in Delhi tells OneIndia that there are two reasons behind this alert being issued by Pakistan.

Post the Pathankot attack India felt extremely let down especially since it came a few days after Prime Minister Narendra Modi took the bold decision to visit Pakistan. Pakistan was under a lot of pressure not only from India, but from the United States of America. America instructed Pakistan to act on terror and also ensure that there is no break down of talks with India. The visit by Modi was seen as a welcome move by the rest of the world as it is important that India and Pakistan continue to make attempts at talking peace. Although Pakistan has claimed that it has registered cases against some persons involved in the Pathankot attack, it is a well know fact that they will not go all out. Some of the seminaries of the Jaish-e-Mohammad continue to operate and there is no concrete action against its chief Maulana Masood Azhar who continues to remain in "protective custody." In the back drop of all this such an alert being issued which itself is a rare occurrence appears as a good will gesture by Pakistan. It also shows that Pakistan is attempting to build bridges with India and this alert was meant to wipe out a trust deficit. Whether the alert is correct or not is one part of the issue, but the larger meaning was to earn India's trust. While this is one part of the story, officials with the Intelligence Bureau say that they also need to scrutinise this move carefully.

Issuing one such alert and sharing it with India does not mean that the trust deficit is wiped out completely. Pakistan cannot assure that none of the non state actors will tow the line. This second point is important since such an alert also could well be a way of Pakistan trying to wash its hands off in case there is indeed an attack in India. If such an attack were to take place, then Pakistan can always say, " see we told you."
10 terrorists entering India: The real story behind the alert from Pakistan - Oneindia
One week on and no trace of 10 terrorists despite a massive nationwide manhunt being launched.

The point that the IB did not have prior intel until the Pak NSA announced this is rather telling, the IB is always on a hair trigger when it comes to issuing alerts and has a very decent network to pre-warn of such incidents. Furthermore, that the US didn't provide any inputs in this regard further counts against the Pakistani "warning"- unless the Pak NSA has information only he can have because he has an inside connection with these groups.

The part about plausible deniability makes sense up to a point but only if an attack takes place or the terrorists are caught, the fact that there seems to be no evidence they even existed means this explanation falls rather short of being convincing.

Perhaps it was a test to see India's security apparatus? NSG teams were despatched and perhaps certain elements in Pakistan were interested to measure such response times so as to feed it into their plans? In that case the Pak NSA may have been unaware he was assisting in such preperations.

It's all very very sketchy.

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well it depends on which side you see it from.
from the indian side. where the hell are these guys that pakistan notified us about ?

and on the pakistani side. there's ten guys who managed to get into india who are terrorists, lets tell india.

now india is calling pakistans bluff. you will ignore the next call, and the next one, and then the next one, and then bam when it happens your to blame as you ignored the call.

 

[Areesh]

How ca you possible turn this around on India? Pakistan is the side that provided such information, what part of what has followed is "bollywood-esque?"

We get many such inputs about terrorists entering Karachi or Lahore from our intelligence agencies. Some times they come out to be true. Sometimes they don't. That's how intelligence works.Pakistanis had some intel about 10 militants entering India. They cooperated with you.

You can keep thinking about "evil plan" of Pakistan behind this report of 10 terrorists. We are not surprised. You are a nation that lives on bollywood.

 

[Abingdonboy]

well it depends on which side you see it from.
from the indian side. where the hell are these guys that pakistan notified us about ?

and on the pakistani side. there's ten guys who managed to get into india who are terrorists, lets tell india.

now india is calling pakistans bluff. you will ignore the next call, and the next one, and then the next one, and then bam when it happens your to blame as you ignored the call.

No one id advocating ignoring any such warnings from anyone but it is fair to examine exactly what happened in this instance. As of one week later 0 terrorists found, 0 evidence they even entered India and 0 corroborating evidence beyond the Pak NSA's word.

We get many such inputs about terrorists entering Karachi or Lahore from our intelligence agencies. Some times they come out to be true. Sometimes they don't. That's how intelligence works.Pakistanis had some intel about 10 militants entering India. They cooperated with you.

You can keep thinking about "evil plan" of Pakistan behind this report of 10 terrorists. We are not surprised. You are a nation that lives on bollywood.

Naturally this incident is going to face a high level of scrutiny considering it is unprecedented- Pakistan sharing intel with India on terrorist activity. The fact it appears to have been rather dubious now adds even more fuel to the fire.

 

[Indika]

run Pakistan are FAR smarter cheaper and more strategically inclined for short term gains

You can call it fiction all you want, but if an attack does occur, let it be known that Pakistan was the one that tried to prevent it.

Pakistan provides such kind of info to NATO in afghanistan and we all know where it is going.

Right- plausible deniability.

Thats whole idea and to gain support/sympathy from international community. Nothing will change on the ground.

Pakistan will keep playing with fire, some one should remind them state of afghanistan is not far away geographically and situation wise. Its just a matter of time if , pakistan was not bordering us we could have screwed them up long time back.

 

[WaLeEdK2]

We don't share any intel, Pakistan isn't cooperating. We share intel, Pakistan is up to something evil. Bharat never ceases to amuse me
BTW whens the last time India has done something like this? Everyone tells Pakistan to do more do more from the US to India yet they don't do shit themselves. If Pakistan created a story like this we would be labeled conspiracy theorists. Foolish and Patheitic. With people like this as our neighbours, how will we be able to work with them?

 

[Areesh]

Naturally this incident is going to face a high level of scrutiny considering it is unprecedented- Pakistan sharing intel with India on terrorist activity. The fact it appears to have been rather dubious now adds even more fuel to the fire.

It isn't dubious. Not if you are not a bollywood fan.

 

[Abingdonboy]

It isn't dubious. Not if you are not a bollywood fan.

Bollywood, bollywood, bollywood. It's easy to keep making these cheap jabs but are choosing to place this incident in context. It's the first time such a warning has been provided, no actual details were provided. Previously (and still) India has been targeted by Pakistani state actors and now the same state is claiming they are working with India to fight such elements? Who is going to swallow this?

Sorry your cheap tactics of playing the "good guys" has been called out for what it is so soon.