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10 captives, Over 20 soldiers, including Commanding Officer killed at Galwan border clash with China

causalities not matter as far as india is unable to push back chinese army from region as these figures cannot be verified by trusting u.s who have self interest against china

Total bs made up by Indians

PLA hold the position, Indian soldiers ran away back to their side, and lots of them fell into river in the hurry and later died, China captured Indian prisoners, but indians managed to look back when they were running for their lives and counted pla casualties? :cheesy:
 
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Hahaha the so called intercepts only claim 43 casualties (killed + injured). Where did the Indians come up with 43 killed? All this thread Indians are running their mouth and claiming 43 fatalities, even ANI (the concocted source doesn't clàim so). Pathetic.
indians living in a different world... They can claim anything by their mouth, no evidence needed... a 'intercept'... LMAO... india would not be such a shiity place if they have the tech to 'intercept' PLA comm.... Unlike us, we show everything with concrete evidence like this:
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Shameless indians should not waste time here... Time for you guys to edit the Wikipedia...Maybe you are doing it right now... lol...
 
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Total bs made up by Indians

Indian soldiers ran away back, and lots of them fell into river and later died, China captured Indian prisoners, but indians managed to look back when they were running for their lives and counted pla casualties? :cheesy:
We set up a counter ambush against another PLA column 3 km from area where our troops were attacked.
 
According to the U.S. assessment, the Chinese government considers the casualties among their troops as a humiliation for its armed forces and has not confirmed the numbers for fear of emboldening other adversaries, the source says.
This paragraph alone gives it away that the author intentionally used an Indian source and disguised it as an American one to sound more credible. If this was really the case, then why did at least 40+ Indian soldiers get captured by the Chinese (by the Indian side's own admission) if this was such a "humiliation" for the Chinese side.
 
After Violent Clash, China Claims Sovereignty Over Galwan Valley for First Time in Decades
For India, Galwan was always seen as the area where the lay of the Line of Actual Control was not disputed.

New Delhi: The Chinese military’s statement on the violent clash in eastern Ladakh has a claim that China has not made publicly earlier – sovereignty over entire the Galwan valley.

The Indian Army has stated that 20 Indian soldiers were killed in action in a violent face-off with Chinese soldiers in the Galwan area on Monday night. This marked a sharp escalation in tensions between the two countries, who had reportedly been in the midst of a process of disengagement from their stand-off that began six weeks ago.

Fifty-eight years after 1962, the capture of Galwan river valley provides the PLA strategic domination over positions overlooking India’s Darbuk-Shyok-Daulat Beg Oldi (DSDBO) road, which connects Leh to the Karakoram Pass.

https://thewire.in/security/china-claimes-sovereignty-over-galwan-valley-ladakh
 
wuhan virus is now spreading in beijing which is very significant development.... second wave is always more dangerous than the first one.
I m in Beijing I tell you first hand, nothing really changed in Beijing and we trust the government to handle it successful caues we have a good record of doing so, by the way, what happens in Beijing is nothing comparing to what's happening in India.
 
American intelligence: 35 Chinese troops killed in Ladakh
India, China Face Off in First Deadly Clash in Decades

Tensions between the two Asian powers are poised to escalate at a time of shifting influence in the region.
By Paul D. Shinkman, Senior Writer, National Security June 16, 2020



The Times of India reported hat 20 Indian army personnel had died in the fighting.

American intelligence believes 35 Chinese troops died, including one senior officer, a source familiar with that assessment tells U.S. News. The incident took place during a meeting in the mountainous region between the two sides – both of which had agreed to disarm – to determine how the two militaries would safely withdraw their presences from the region.

The meeting grew tense and resulted in a physical confrontation between the troops. According to the assessment, all of the casualties were from the use of batons and knives and from falls from the steep topography, the source says.

According to the U.S. assessment, the Chinese government considers the casualties among their troops as a humiliation for its armed forces and has not confirmed the numbers for fear of emboldening other adversaries, the source says.

The sources who spoke with the Times said 43 Chinese troops died in the fighting.

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Tensions have mounted in recent weeks around the area spanning in the northern India region of Ladakh and the southwestern Chinese region of Aksai Chin.

The border dispute comes at a time of shifting influence in the region. Beijing has become increasingly bold in its territorial ambitions in recent months, including in the East and South China seas, with U.S. officials saying it has successfully exploited global unrest from the ongoing coronavirus pandemic. At the same time India has enjoyed new and outsized support from the U.S. under the Trump administration, which sees India as a principal battleground for its own economic rivalry with China.

In an editorial in the semi-official Global Times, China said the tensions were caused by "arrogance and recklessness of the Indian side" and that officials there believed "their country's military is more powerful than China's." However the main focus of Beijing's ire was clear.

"The U.S. has wooed India with its Indo-Pacific Strategy, which adds to the abovementioned misjudgment of some Indian elite," according to the outlet, which is not a direct mouthpiece of the Chinese Communist Party but is considered aligned with its views. "New Delhi must be clear that the resources that the U.S. would invest in China-India relations are limited. What the U.S. would do is just extend a lever to India, which Washington can exploit to worsen India's ties with China, and make India dedicate itself to serving Washington's interests."

The Times of India documented harsh conditions at the site of the fighting in the mountainous region, including sub-freezing temperatures and high altitudes. The government there has claimed the face-off "was the result of an attempt by the Chinese side to unilaterally change the status quo of the region," the Times reported. It also cited a statement from a Chinese military spokesperson who reportedly said, "China always owns sovereignty over the Galwan Valley region."

Troops from the two countries last clashed in 1975, when four Indian soldiers died during an ambush in the Arunachal Pradesh region of northeast India.

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The U.S. government had not publicly commented on the skirmish as of Tuesday afternoon.

Trump visited India in February, further strengthening already close ties with Prime Minister Narendra Modi. The Trump administration has dramatically ramped up relations with New Delhi, including growing its trade relations and shifting its military policy. The U.S. in 2018 renamed its combatant command for the area "Indo-Pacific Command" – considered a break from prior administrations attempts to balance relations with India with its regional rivals, including Pakistan.


Paul D. Shinkman, Senior Writer, National Security

Paul Shinkman is a national security correspondent. He joined U.S. News & World Report in 2012 ...


https://www.usnews.com/news/world-r...ina-face-off-in-first-deadly-clash-in-decades

At least your daddy Uncle Sam is stroking your tiny ego. :lol:
 
causalities not matter as far as india is unable to push back chinese army from region as these figures cannot be verified by trusting u.s who have self interest against china
I'm fairly certain that even if there was an American intelligence leak on this, USNews wouldn't be one of the first news outlets to receive this information. But either way judging by how this article was framed, I'm pretty sure the author had a strong pro-India stance.
 
American intelligence: 35 Chinese troops killed in Ladakh
India, China Face Off in First Deadly Clash in Decades

Tensions between the two Asian powers are poised to escalate at a time of shifting influence in the region.
By Paul D. Shinkman, Senior Writer, National Security June 16, 2020



The Times of India reported hat 20 Indian army personnel had died in the fighting.

American intelligence believes 35 Chinese troops died, including one senior officer, a source familiar with that assessment tells U.S. News. The incident took place during a meeting in the mountainous region between the two sides – both of which had agreed to disarm – to determine how the two militaries would safely withdraw their presences from the region.

The meeting grew tense and resulted in a physical confrontation between the troops. According to the assessment, all of the casualties were from the use of batons and knives and from falls from the steep topography, the source says.

According to the U.S. assessment, the Chinese government considers the casualties among their troops as a humiliation for its armed forces and has not confirmed the numbers for fear of emboldening other adversaries, the source says.

The sources who spoke with the Times said 43 Chinese troops died in the fighting.

[
READ:

China’s Test of the West ]
Tensions have mounted in recent weeks around the area spanning in the northern India region of Ladakh and the southwestern Chinese region of Aksai Chin.

The border dispute comes at a time of shifting influence in the region. Beijing has become increasingly bold in its territorial ambitions in recent months, including in the East and South China seas, with U.S. officials saying it has successfully exploited global unrest from the ongoing coronavirus pandemic. At the same time India has enjoyed new and outsized support from the U.S. under the Trump administration, which sees India as a principal battleground for its own economic rivalry with China.

In an editorial in the semi-official Global Times, China said the tensions were caused by "arrogance and recklessness of the Indian side" and that officials there believed "their country's military is more powerful than China's." However the main focus of Beijing's ire was clear.

"The U.S. has wooed India with its Indo-Pacific Strategy, which adds to the abovementioned misjudgment of some Indian elite," according to the outlet, which is not a direct mouthpiece of the Chinese Communist Party but is considered aligned with its views. "New Delhi must be clear that the resources that the U.S. would invest in China-India relations are limited. What the U.S. would do is just extend a lever to India, which Washington can exploit to worsen India's ties with China, and make India dedicate itself to serving Washington's interests."

The Times of India documented harsh conditions at the site of the fighting in the mountainous region, including sub-freezing temperatures and high altitudes. The government there has claimed the face-off "was the result of an attempt by the Chinese side to unilaterally change the status quo of the region," the Times reported. It also cited a statement from a Chinese military spokesperson who reportedly said, "China always owns sovereignty over the Galwan Valley region."

Troops from the two countries last clashed in 1975, when four Indian soldiers died during an ambush in the Arunachal Pradesh region of northeast India.

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MORE:

India’s Citizenship Law Protests Reveal Deeper Anger by Country’s Students ]
The U.S. government had not publicly commented on the skirmish as of Tuesday afternoon.

Trump visited India in February, further strengthening already close ties with Prime Minister Narendra Modi. The Trump administration has dramatically ramped up relations with New Delhi, including growing its trade relations and shifting its military policy. The U.S. in 2018 renamed its combatant command for the area "Indo-Pacific Command" – considered a break from prior administrations attempts to balance relations with India with its regional rivals, including Pakistan.


Paul D. Shinkman, Senior Writer, National Security

Paul Shinkman is a national security correspondent. He joined U.S. News & World Report in 2012 ...


https://www.usnews.com/news/world-r...ina-face-off-in-first-deadly-clash-in-decades

You guys can claim 3000 Chinese troops were killed, but one thing you omit, there are dozens of Indian soldiers are missing and believed being captured by PLA, but no such report saying Chinese soldiers were captured by Indian troops, that shows China is completely in control of this fight and Indians are disorganized and rounted during the fight.
 
Social media in China gives out the details of the encounter:

(1) Chinese construction workers doing some construction work near the river.
(2) Indian soldiers lead by the dead colonel, attack the Chinese construction workers, resulting in two workers injured.
(3) Workers called the PLA and a fight begins.
(4) The melee fight last about a few hours, and Chinese just throw many of the beaten Indians soldiers into the river nearby, the fight end at around 16:00PM
(5) Many of serious injured Indians are captured by Chinese, some of them dead due to injured by the next morning, some of the Indians bodies are floating in the river, some of these bodies are taken by Indians in the night, other bodies are taken by Chinese in the next morning.
(6) No guns and firearms are used, the dead are mostly died of stone and club inflicted wound on the heads.

https://lt.cjdby.net/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=2628165&extra=page=1

I heard some rumors that while the soldiers were fighting on top of the ridge, the ridge collapsed and fell out from underneath them.

Where does this fit into the story?
 
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