1,000 Chinese boats headed for Senkakus

[Viet]

The Japanese Coast Guard has reportedly increased their fleet around the islands to 50 vessels. So my Chinese friends, you should increase your bet, too!

 

[Viet]

@Zero_wing

pls use more comma, point and offset for better reading of your texts.

 

[terranMarine]

@Zero_wing

pls use more comma, point and offset for better reading of your texts.

At last someone who is telling that pathetic hater to use comma and point because he can only write a bunch of text making it for everyone very difficult to read. Plus his grammar is terrible to say the least.

 

[Plexyre]

So in short it was not an annexation by Japan from China why you ask one formosa now know as Taiwan was not complete administered by china until the chinese defeat the dutch after the dutch took control of said island from Spanish Philippines (which in this case Spain) in the 17th century so your cry of this historical fact has limited or no hope in International courts other reason is that the Chinese forces later on establish a republic independent from mainland china by a local warlord which was later defeated by Japaneses then fighting local indigenous tribes Taiwanese aborigines making Formosa a Japanese territory than after the end of the second world war or the Pacific war the formosa was return to china under the republic of china (the real legitimate of china) which after the retreated to said Island

Way to go off on a tangent. Let's stick with the issue, the Diaoyu Islands/Diaoyutai.

but going back to have sovereign control over said islands you must have people two control excusing political and law enforcing

Obviously not, if the Spratly Islands disputes are anything to go by. Anyways I won't touch on that issue so let's leave it at that.

but then again Japanese have no people but the island was private owned

In September 1896, Koga Tatsushiro became the first Japanese native to lease the islands. In his biography, he attributed Japan's possession of the islands to "the gallant military victory of our Imperial forces."

As you can see, their ownership of the islands are directly attrbutable to Japan's imperial expansion, as stated by Han-yi Shaw.

You can see a brief summary of his arguments for the islands here:

Han-yi Shaw: Japan's Dubious Claim to the Diaoyus - WSJ.com

so tricky so to some it all up you little chance to prove it in the International courts so good luck for taiwan case its a bit tricky as well first their political status is one problem.

Here's the interesting thing, Taiwan's president Ma Ying-jeou has already stated that Taiwan wants to refer the Diaoyu Dao/Diaoyutai dispute to the ICJ and that Japan should do so as well. ICJ won't be able to take on the case unless Japan decides to do a 180 degrees and accept arbitration of the Diaoyu Dao/Diaoyutai by the ICJ, which it so far has steadfastly refused.

Fishermen enraged over Japan's harassment of fishing operations: Ma - CNA ENGLISH NEWS

I should add that, should the ICJ take on this case then Japan is almost certain to lose. Japan's case is dubious at best and illegal at worst.

Also, since you did not directly contradict any point I made in an earlier post we can assume you have no argument on that front?

 

[Zero_wing]

At last someone who is telling that pathetic hater to use comma and point because he can only write a bunch of text making it for everyone very difficult to read. Plus his grammar is terrible to say the least.

Like i care what you people think its forum people i can say like whatever on issues that affects the world and please me a hater like treat people like insects like some people in this forum please

 

[Zero_wing]

Way to go off on a tangent. Let's stick with the issue, the Diaoyu Islands/Diaoyutai.



Obviously not, if the Spratly Islands disputes are anything to go by. Anyways I won't touch on that issue so let's leave it at that.





As you can see, their ownership of the islands are directly attrbutable to Japan's imperial expansion, as stated by Han-yi Shaw.

You can see a brief summary of his arguments for the islands here:

Han-yi Shaw: Japan's Dubious Claim to the Diaoyus - WSJ.com



Here's the interesting thing, Taiwan's president Ma Ying-jeou has already stated that Taiwan wants to refer the Diaoyu Dao/Diaoyutai dispute to the ICJ and that Japan should do so as well. ICJ won't be able to take on the case unless Japan decides to do a 180 degrees and accept arbitration of the Diaoyu Dao/Diaoyutai by the ICJ, which it so far has steadfastly refused.

Fishermen enraged over Japan's harassment of fishing operations: Ma - CNA ENGLISH NEWS

I should add that, should the ICJ take on this case then Japan is almost certain to lose. Japan's case is dubious at best and illegal at worst.

Also, since you did not directly contradict any point I made in an earlier post we can assume you have no argument on that front?

So just like china going to ICJ Taiwan is a hard case since its political status as a country one Its officially the Republic of China not the Republic of Taiwan not unless the country declares Independence which would bring them hell since bully china will be bring them a can of kick @** now that their Aircraft carrier is official in the Fleet so good luck its a head scratcher

and IFY last time i check its ICJ is a UN institution so good luck going there regardless of what the government of Taiwan would like to do its almost next to impossible not unless Taiwan political status is cleared

 

[ahfatzia]

Taiwan to push national marine park near the disputed islands


TAIPEI - Taiwan will push ahead with plans to set up a national marine park near disputed islands in the East China Sea also claimed by Japan and China, a top official said Wednesday.

Interior Minister Lee Hong-yuan made the remarks in parliament, one day after dozens of Taiwanese boats entered territorial waters around the disputed islands to press Taipei's claim.

"The Ministry of the Interior will keep working on the establishment of the planned marine national park," Lee told legislators, without giving details.

The planned national park will cover three Taiwan-held islets -- Pengjia, Mianhua and Huaping and surrounding waters, measuring some 750 square kilometres (300 square miles), according to authorities.

Lee said during a recent visit to Pengjia islet, which lies about 140 kilometres (90 miles) west of the disputed islands known as Diaoyu in Chinese and Senkaku in Japanese, that he hoped the park could be set up soon.

His comments came as he reiterated Taipei's claim to the Diaoyu islands and said the government would would step up efforts to protect its fishermen working in the disputed waters.

"We will protect the fishermen more actively to help them fight for their rights in Diaoyu islands. There is no doubt that the (islands') sovereignty is ours," Lee said. "We will also seek consensus with Japan and China."

The uninhabited but strategically positioned archipelago is administered by Japan and has long been at the centre of a bitter territorial row between Japan and China.

Dozens of Taiwanese fishing boats escorted by coastguard vessels traded water cannon fire with Japanese vessels around the disputed islands and returned to Taiwan late Tuesday to a hero's welcome.

Taiwan's coastguard confirmed that nearly 60 boats got close to the islands, some coming within three nautical miles -- well inside the 12-nautical-mile territorial exclusion zone.

Taiwan eyes marine park in East China Sea - Channel NewsAsia


Taiwan has been very active involved in the dispute recently and that put the US into an awkward position. I bet Hilary Clinton wishes she can take back what she said earlier this year that the US will back Japan in her island disputes.

 

[Abhishek_]

Taiwan has been very active involved in the dispute recently and that put the US into an awkward position. I bet Hilary Clinton wishes she can take back what she said earlier this year that the US will back Japan in her island disputes.

not really, TW's stance is pretty clear "We will also seek consensus with Japan and China.". in other words status-quo.
china must be working hard to back down without loosing face.

 

[ahfatzia]

not really, TW's stance is pretty clear "We will also seek consensus with Japan and China.". in other words status-quo.
china must be working hard to back down without loosing face.

That was at the beginning when Ma wasn't sure what he wants to, however, judging by Taiwan recent actions she's not seeking any consensus. She wants those islands and is pushing Japan to go the International Court of Justice.

China will never back down against Japan in the Diaoyu, the sea lane here is her gateway to the Pacific for her merchant and naval fleets from northern part of the country. Status-quo will be accepted but not a single military asset in place by Japan.

 

[Plexyre]

So just like china going to ICJ Taiwan is a hard case since its political status as a country one Its officially the Republic of China not the Republic of Taiwan not unless the country declares Independence which would bring them hell since bully china will be bring them a can of kick @** now that their Aircraft carrier is official in the Fleet so good luck its a head scratcher

Another tangent...this is getting old

and IFY last time i check its ICJ is a UN institution so good luck going there regardless of what the government of Taiwan would like to do its almost next to impossible not unless Taiwan political status is cleared

Actually...

Article 93

1. All Members of the United Nations are ipso facto parties to the Statute of the International Court of Justice.

2. A state which is not a Member of the United Nations may become a party to the Statute of the International Court of Justice on conditions to be determined in each case by the General Assembly upon the recommendation of the Security Council.

Charter of the United Nations: Chapter XIV: The International Court of Justice

It is a mistake to think that the cross-strait issue between Taiwan and mainland China has to be included with the Diaoyu dao/Diaoyutai dispute. Not only are those 2 separate issues, but Taiwan and China have already agreed on the 1992 Consensus as a framework for eventually resolving the dispute bilaterally, so it is unnecessary for international arbitration over the issue of Taiwan's status.

1992 Consensus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Zero_wing]

Man you need to check it again that all i have to say

 

[Plexyre]

Man you need to check it again that all i have to say

So you have nothing to put forth now. Got it...

 

[Zero_wing]

So you have nothing to put forth now. Got it...

its not that its just so hard to convince a wall

 

[Plexyre]

its not that its just so hard to convince a wall

Since you have no arguments left to make, let's just stop it here. It's pitiful to watch, not to mention that now you're just reduced to arguing just for the sake of arguing

Eristic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[ahfatzia]

Water cannon war between Japan and Taiwan-in picture

It's amazing this is not a front page news for western medias. Is it because this skirmish only involves Japan and Taiwan?

What if China does this instead of Taiwan? Would the bias western medias put out screaming headlines "The Bullying China Is Showing Its True Face!"

This is a form of propaganda, by omission, not many people realized.