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I think I shall skip Indian Airlines too, thankfully we have other options now.. This is crazy.

I completely agree with you here, it is the deployment and tactics used that will make the difference in the subcontinent. That is only "If" we have learnt our lessons. In Sri Lanka the LTTE showed the IPKF how to make T-72s fly 45-50 feet with 2-3 buckets of TNT. Today, a tank has a lot...

How soon will this crash take place?

It is a well accepted that I Armd Bde (IA) got quite beaten up in Pillora-Chawinda. But your charge of blaming me for hyperbole, is unfair, as I am the one of the few people on this board who gives credit to the PA where it is due. You should try reading your own posts, if it were not for the...

Tha's O.K. What arm/service did you serve in?

Depends on which idiot is in command. I apologise for sounding rude, but you and balin2 made it sound as if maneuver was a bad thing. Possiably, I have done mearly 4 years in COIN in J&K, of the total 5 yrs of service (excl trg). Nothing secret, it would have been available in your unit...

Yes I agree.

I have given fairly good examples. When we started this debate I mentioned strategic and not tactical. The defence of Hilli is classic example of a good defensive battle by PA's 205 Inf Bde. It called maneuver - it is one of the main principle of warfare. It means you are debating with...

Did I ever deny unit level valour of PA units? Never. All i know is that a 2 weeks war ending the collapse of an army, qualifies to be a rout. Chawinda was no payback it took place much before Asal Uttar. Mr.Steven J. Zaloga would be trying to save the reputation of the M47/M48 that was...

You will not see anything with your attitute. Did Hilli prevent the collapse of Dacca? Good, now tell me what was the effect on Pak Eastern Command, Niazi was shytting bricks, and after the 14th Dec para drop of 2 Para at Tangail, he lost the will to fight. We are discussing the Eastern...

Actually its not just a possibility but a fact that there is gold under my bed. I live on the 1st floor and the ground floor flat denifitly has that lady's gold in her cupboard.:banana2:

Let prejudice not blind us. Vnomad quoted from the Goldman Sachs report Global Economics: Paper No.99

Some trivia... Did you know that Hu Jintao's father was killed by the communist regime when Hu was a student? His father was accused of being a capitalist http://www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ed050205c.cfm

Asim, I hope you know that HE-FRAG is not anti-tank ammo.:coffee:, but yes a top attack hit can disable a tank.

I think the journalist has been freed...I saw it on TV.

...and I stand by it. A dispute by an affected partly is generally biased, but I am yet to see you (a third party) logically refute a 2 week war that created a new nation, and not call it a rout. As for reality, you would'nt know the faintest about it, without an indept knowledge on the...

You were the one who went on a tangent about Iraq, and the rout of the Iraqi army, albet a beleaguered one.

A new nation was created, and you want to agrue if it was a rout or not?:coffee: Semantics ...semantics

Whoever said that war was easy?

It was never the aim. In 1965 IA ops were a reactive action of Op Gibralter and Op Grand Slam. So you see the aim was to relieve pressure. For smaller tactical level examples the Battle of Asal Uttar 1965, was decisive, it destroyed PAs 6 Armd Div, and in 1971 I believe you guys refer to the...