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Archdemon: You said that there was live fire before boarding on ship and to prove your point you post video (4/5) as turned to be paintball shots and now you diverting responsibility for so called fact finding on us by saying we didn't watch the following part, are you fcking serious? why...

Someone who you state is not too bright has the intelligence to not only investigate what really happened through a raw video footage but has also lead you into a trap in which you have shown that you do not understand that your government has fed you lies regarding this matter. Please have a...

Thank you for not only falling into the trap that demonstrates that not only do you believe in anything that your government tells you but that you have failed on your part a small investigation would have revealed the next part of the video in which it shows without a doubt that not all IDF...

What is the comparison between the F-16 and JF-17? It is apparent that Turkey needs to look for U.S alternatives given the U.S poor treatment of her Turkish ally and the decision of Turkey to produce her own national combat aircraft. Just wandering what are the comparisons between the two...

Maybe you should watch before you automatically ignore it as the time I posted it and the time for you to post a reply has been less then a few minutes. Be objective and understand why people are disagreeing with the IDF and Israeli government's actions.

I do not expect to see yourself guilty as no one would. The evidence is the report labeling Israel as having omitted a human rights violation and this is from the UN, while it may have not passed into the form of a resolution therefore the onus is not for me disprove it, it is for you to...

I did not switch anything, both relate to the same incident so your accusation that my argument has divergent premises is wrong. Here have a look at this video and see for yourself the IDF attacking the Mavi Marmara, notice the sounds of bullets being fired from your boats, notice the blood on...

Or it could be a deliberate tactic to further strengthen the people's belief that it was a Turkish Meko once it became public knowledge. At this point given the two nations distrust each other and our mutual bad history coupled with the increasing bad world media about Greece, anything is...

Back in 1998 just having 1 AC cost the U.S $1 million per day. So yeah they are expensive, and think of the crew that has to clean these ships!!! Still I would think going for a pre built LHD would be better only then should we try and build our own but then again I am sure the MoD would have...

If your having difficulty on accepting the premise that I bring forward then please go and have a look at the Democracy Now video, as you seem by quoting the phrase "Khaibar Yahud Khaibar" to be mixed up as in which video I am referring to. There are 3 videos in general circulation on the...

Interesting that you switch your argument from trying to disprove my claim to one where you attack my claim as being ludicrous. This my friend is what we use to ferret out the guilty. FYI the UN did call the Gaza blockade illegal and a human rights violation, it may have not officially passed...

The funny thing is that France is selling 2 Mistral class LHDs to Russia with full technology transfer in which the Russians are paying a premium for (the funny thing is this is betrayal of the alliance since NATO was set up to counter communist Russia) and only a small voice from the U.S.A...

Gotta admit that with the coating that makes these ships stealth (not counting the structure and other tech involved in making a warship stealth) they do not look very threatening at all. Given the CG falls under naval command during war time the bigger versions would nicely complement fast...

The NTPB (P1200) I know quite well, I have ripped every video about it and the Milgem project from youtube :) This stealth OPV (I would say it's more a dedicated corvette (only Turkey would downgrade their ships to make it look less threatening then it really is LOL :lol:)) should cause some...

Re to Black Blood: Black Blood Stated: "I still have to see a Turkish Air Craft Carrier" Brother from my understanding the Aegean is not a suitable place for a full blown AC since apparently the waters are to shallow but it is never the less still suitable for an LHD and Turkey does have a...

Thank you Jigs and cabatli for all the info on our navy and defense industry developments (and I have been looking at these forums for many years) but one thing that keeps getting mentioned is the MRTP 40 & 70. Are these official projects or just rumor of upcoming projects by Yonca? Any info...

Anybody know what the mission profile of the Pak MRTP-33s are going to be? From my understanding this ship is modular meaning that it can be equipped with different weapons as required.

FYI I did not grow up in Ankara nor the republic of Turkey. You state "Why is it so hard for Turks to stop talking about AG" The fact is we are not talking about the AG but we are defending ourselves from baseless accusations. Yet I find it interesting that when somebody who has studied the...

Wrong as the Geneva convention are guidelines and rules for the military and all nations during war time and were set up with the intention to protect civilians from the tragic events of World War 2. Therefore even if the UN does not recognize the IHH as a humanitarian organization the civilians...

These laws would be available for the defense of the IDF and no one would be able to deny it, however it had been prior to the Mavi Marmara incident found that the blockade of Gaza is illegal as it applies collective punishment on civilians which under international law is completely unacceptable.