Why was Turkey the first Islamic country to recognize the state of Israel?

[waz]

Mustafa Kemal Atatürk was and wil forever remain the legendary leader who saved Turkey from the jaws of many nations who wanted to make a meal of our brother country. If we were to talk about his status all day long we still wouldn't do justice to it.
Rest in peace beloved Ataturk, lion of Turkey.

 

[Max]

we know what his views about Atatürk and Turkey was and we know that these people dont respresent what Pakistanis are.

its all lies made up to boost relationship b/w both countries. Jinnah was never a fan of fascism, neither he was fan of Mullahism and theocracy.

 

[terry5]

Who are you to judge anyone.... ? Don't you have any thing else to do other than bad mouthing our Atatürk ?

Tell you what, since you are very brave and stuff....why don't you come to Turkish section and say the exact same things that you said here ?



Palestinian calling Ataturk a British puppet ?

In 1917 he fought against British Empire in Palestine !!! While you back stabbers conspired with British against the Caliphate.

Take some shame.... you are the last person on this whole forum to slander Atatürk for being a British Puppet.

I'm not Palestinian pal and I never said he was British agent .
Was in the quote from mustafa Sabri .
I just stated I had read of him being atheist
Kapish?

I'm a Pakistani pal a Muslim inshaAllah .

On topic of Palestinians I will always morally spiritually and through charity support my brothers and sisters living under apartheid in there homes .

That is holy land to me and after Mecca medina is the most precious of land.

Understand ??

 

[-SINAN-]

I'm not Palestinian pal and I never said he was British agent .
Was in the quote from mustafa Sabri .
I just stated I had read of him being atheist
Kapish?

I'm a Pakistani pal a Muslim inshaAllah .

On topic of Palestinians I will always morally spiritually and through charity support my brothers and sisters living under apartheid in there homes .

That is holy land to me and after Mecca medina is the most precious of land.

Understand ??

Then fix your flags....

 

[MultaniGuy]

Mustafa Kemal Atatürk was and wil forever remain the legendary leader who saved Turkey from the jaws of many nations who wanted to make a meal of our brother country. If we were to talk about his status all day long we sill wouldn't do justice to it.
Rest in peace beloved Ataturk, lion of Turkey.

I am disappointed with your post.
Because it does not say everything about the ataturk.

Anyways, it is your opinion.

I have my opinion as well.

Muslim oppression from Atatürk

You should have lived in the 1900ies, in order to save Turkish Muslims from Ataturks oppression.

If you had seen how Brits invided your country, you wouldn't have confronted because you got accustomed Brits soldiers


Sultan 2 Abdülhamit whom All conservatives fallen for, prohibited hidjab in Ottoman İmpire
He also liked drinking rom and wine

The Ottoman sultans I heard were corrupt near the end of the Ottoman life.

You cant just cherry pick statistics as it pleases you, besides your completely missing the point anyways.


Are they really that ignorant about history or do they do it on purpose, i really dont know, seems like some wahhabis are filling their empty heads with BS, there is no other explanation for this.

There is a disconnect between my source and your source.

Your source says more Pakistanis die of cirrhosis than Turks do.

My source says Pakistanis are the least drinkers of alcohol.

Something doesn't add up.

its all lies made up to boost relationship b/w both countries. Jinnah was never a fan of fascism, neither he was fan of Mullahism and theocracy.

Neither was Jinnah for secularism either.
For those who are part of the NeoLiberal brigade.

Mustafa Kemal Atatürk was and wil forever remain the legendary leader who saved Turkey from the jaws of many nations who wanted to make a meal of our brother country. If we were to talk about his status all day long we sill wouldn't do justice to it.
Rest in peace beloved Ataturk, lion of Turkey.

Indeed the ataturk saved the country. No doubt about that.

Indeed the ataturk was a strong military commander.

But please, the man was not a practicing Muslim.

Ataturk was even anti-religion if you see his quotes.

 

[MultaniGuy]

There are some MODs in this forum who regulary delete all posts that criticize the era of Kemal who is considered by many as oppressive as Daesh terrorists. Wondering when will these MODs respect the rules of PDF and delete what those junkie sickular Kemalists wrote too?

Even some of my posts were deleted as well.

However I was not trolling. I was expressing my opinion on the ataturk.

 

[UkroTurk]

However I was

Even some of my posts were deleted as well.

However I was not trolling. I was expressing my opinion on the ataturk.

Firstly "A" is big.

Secondly you are trolling in order to destroy relationships between Turks and Pakistanis.
Good bye trol. You have just been ignored by me.

 

[The Eagle]

Even some of my posts were deleted as well.

However I was not trolling. I was expressing my opinion on the ataturk.

An opinion that does no provoke a specific community, ethnicity, nationality etc is always welcome whereby we can criticize a man's policies based upon constructive and qualitative arguments. However, we must understand the difference between criticism and throwing tantrums or disrespecting a one's favourite/mentor due to personal likes/dislikes. A thought provocation, actually results in vice versa situation whereby one feels being offended and other seems like lowering the level of discussion that all in all, is not suitable environment for a constructive debate. Calling names, disrespectful remarks, provocations or flaming must be avoided hence, such remarks are removed so that friendly environment can be maintained.

Regards,

 

[MultaniGuy]

An opinion that does no provoke a specific community, ethnicity, nationality etc is always welcome whereby we can criticize a man's policies based upon constructive and qualitative arguments. However, we must understand the difference between criticism and throwing tantrums or disrespecting a one's favourite/mentor due to personal likes/dislikes. A thought provocation, actually results in vice versa situation whereby one feels being offended and other seems like lowering the level of discussion that all in all, is not suitable environment for a constructive debate. Calling names, disrespectful remarks, provocations or flaming must be avoided hence, such remarks are removed so that friendly environment can be maintained.

Regards,

Understood. I try to refrain from name calling as well.

 

[waz]

I am disappointed with your post.
Because it is not impartial.

I'm not going to impartial in this case brother. The bottom line is that he did more for his country and people than anyone else did and saved it from servitude and lifelong slavery.
The Pasha is a hero of mine and I'll leave it at that.

 

[MultaniGuy]

I'm not going to impartial in this case brother. The bottom line is that he did more for his country and people than anyone else did and saved it from a servitude and lifelong slavery.
The Pasha is a hero of mine and I'll leave it at that.

I am not denying that the ataturk did not save the country. He was a strong military commander who was able to defeat the Allies at the battle of Gallipoli.

Well you have your opinion, and I have my opinion as well.

Done with this thread.
It does not matter who has the last word on the ataturk. It won't change the facts of the ataturk.

Anyone can read the biographies of ataturk by Andrew Mango or go to Britannica to read what ataturk was like.

 

[xenon54 out]

There is a disconnect between my source and your source.

Your source says more Pakistanis die of cirrhosis than Turks do.

My source says Pakistanis are the least drinkers of alcohol.

Something doesn't add up.

The point is cirrhosis isnt only caused by alcohol at all.

 

[Gibbs]

I'm not going to impartial in this case brother. The bottom line is that he did more for his country and people than anyone else did and saved it from servitude and lifelong slavery.
The Pasha is a hero of mine and I'll leave it at that.

The world is better off because of him actually, He was a statesman and a visionary.. Imagine Asia minor with Turkey as the gate way remained a theocracy ? It would have been another Afghanistan

 

[waz]

The point is cirrhosis isnt only caused by alcohol at all.

My grandfather back in 1995 died of cirrhosis of the liver and he never drunk a drop of liquor in his entire life.....

 

[xenon54 out]

My grandfather back in 1995 died of cirrhosis of the liver and he never drunk a drop of liquor in his entire life.....

May he rest in peace.