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Russia’s next-generation main battle tanks to enter service in 2019

That's bigger than all of their military budget, by over 10 times





That program is over 10 years and it's not part of the annual budget.




How many T-14s were manufactured yet?




Atleast several dozen, and it's only early models/prototypes. Who mass produces prototypes?

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PAK TA?

Even the prototype wasn't built yet




Who is talking about the Pak-da? No they don't have a prototype yet and prior to 2008 there was also no Pak-fa either, and prior to 1990 there was no F-22, so what is your point?





Much more, Russia isn't capable of rebuilding its army





They have already inducted hundreds of new systems, S-400, SU-34, SU-35, KA-52, Klub, Tigre, ect and dozens of new systems are being developed.



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That program is over 10 years and it's not part of the annual budget.









Atleast several dozen, and it's only early models/prototypes. Who mass produces prototypes?

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Who is talking about the Pak-da? No they don't have a prototype yet and prior to 2008 there was also no Pak-fa either, and prior to 1990 there was no F-22, so what is your point?











They have already inducted hundreds of new systems, S-400, SU-34, SU-35, KA-52, Klub, Tigre, ect and dozens of new systems are being developed.



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16 were manufactured, If its still a prototype, the Russians should stop saying its the best in the world
Russians are not able to manufacture anything anymore in mass, except maybe their AK74s and bullets for them


16 T-14s were manufactured, not a several dozen
It took them more than a year to manufacture 16 T-14s. That's a lot of time

If it wasn't built yet stop thinking you are able to build it, and again, let alone mass producing it

Rebuilding=/=Introducing new weapon systems
The Israeli army for example, totally rebuilt itself navy and air wise, and also tank wise and personal weapon wise, and now is about to rebuild it APC wise with the new Etian APC.

T14 are still in early production stage. It's due to be mass produced starting 2019. This is the way Russians do it always. Even during the days of mig29
And they want to produce 2284 tanks in 5 years?
They're crazy and delusional then.
 
16 were manufactured, If its still a prototype,



No shit, that is what I said.




the Russians should stop saying its the best in the world




I think you are confusing Russians with Israelis, israelis have the 'best protected' tanks, the 'best pilots'.




Russians are not able to manufacture anything anymore in mass, except maybe their AK74s and bullets for them




:lol: the 100th SU-34 was just delivered. Sukhoi has also delivered dozens of SU-30SMs, SU-35s, and SU-100s just to the Russian Air Force. Hundreds more were manufactured for India, Malyasia, Nigeria, Vietnam, Singapore, Venuzuela, ect.

Companies such as Sukhoi have produced thousands of aircraft but yea somehow they cant mass produce anything.




16 T-14s were manufactured, not a several dozen




Those 16 were built a long time ago. The T-14 had some issues with turret armor and all recent T-14 footage shows no changes to the Turret. There is zero question that there are addition batches/prototypes this is standar.




It took them more than a year to manufacture 16 T-14s. That's a lot of time




And you have a source to prove it took a year to manufacture? As for prototypes, they always take longer to manufacture because the factories are not yet equipped for mass production nor are there enough trained employees.




If it wasn't built yet stop thinking you are able to build it, and again, let alone mass producing it




What was not built yet? Russia's has produced dozens of new platforms, some are in production and many are in the prototype stages.



Rebuilding=/=Introducing new weapon systems
The Israeli army for example, totally rebuilt itself navy and air wise, and also tank wise and personal weapon wise, and now is about to rebuild it APC wise with the new Etian APC.




You're trashing Russia, even though they are inducting countless weapons system each year and have new replacements for every weapons platform while Israel built a prototype APC and your are singing praises :lol:


It's quite clear you are only trolling since everything you say is proven nonsense.
 
16 were manufactured, If its still a prototype, the Russians should stop saying its the best in the world
Russians are not able to manufacture anything anymore in mass, except maybe their AK74s and bullets for them


16 T-14s were manufactured, not a several dozen
It took them more than a year to manufacture 16 T-14s. That's a lot of time

If it wasn't built yet stop thinking you are able to build it, and again, let alone mass producing it

Rebuilding=/=Introducing new weapon systems
The Israeli army for example, totally rebuilt itself navy and air wise, and also tank wise and personal weapon wise, and now is about to rebuild it APC wise with the new Etian APC.


And they want to produce 2284 tanks in 5 years?
They're crazy and delusional then.
Nope but over a period of time. Starting 2019. And they have factories all over their country for the purpose. I don't see it can't be done, unless their economy suffers more.

That program is over 10 years and it's not part of the annual budget.









Atleast several dozen, and it's only early models/prototypes. Who mass produces prototypes?

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Who is talking about the Pak-da? No they don't have a prototype yet and prior to 2008 there was also no Pak-fa either, and prior to 1990 there was no F-22, so what is your point?











They have already inducted hundreds of new systems, S-400, SU-34, SU-35, KA-52, Klub, Tigre, ect and dozens of new systems are being developed.



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What's the name of that frigate?
 
Nope but over a period of time. Starting 2019. And they have factories all over their country for the purpose. I don't see it can't be done, unless their economy suffers more.


What's the name of that frigate?


The Admiral Gorshkov, there are many new surface ships and submarines.

Something different:

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“State tests will be completed next year, they will be put into service afterward,” Alexander Shevchenko, head of the ministry’s main vehicles and armor department, told RIA Novosti.

The program to supply the Russian army with T-14s was initially planned to last until 2020, but, according to Uralvagonzavod chief Oleg Sienko, it is now due to be extended until 2025.

The Russian military estimates that it will need 2,300 of the state of the art tanks.


http://defence-blog.com/army/russias-next-generation-main-battle-tanks-to-enter-service-in-2019.html

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" The T-14 Armata is expected to enter service next year [2016]. The Russian army plans to deploy as many as 2,300 of these new tanks by 2020, although the IISS [International Institute for Strategic Studies] cautions that this “ambitious target is unlikely to be met”.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...budget-increases-in-2015-says-think-tank.html

That is 'up to' 2300 and it is IISS that expressed doubt. Reality is that the goal of 2300 by 2020 already has been adjusted to that number by 2025 (i.e. fewer vehicles per year).


Russia’s Military to Receive 100 New T-14 Armata Battle Tanks
The first batch of T-14 main battle tanks has already been delivered to the Russian Ground Forces for trials.

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By Franz-Stefan Gady
September 14, 2016


The Russian Defense Ministry has concluded a contract with Uralvagonzavod (UVZ), the world’s largest tank maker, for the first batch of 100 third-generation T-14 main battle tank (MBT), an armored vehicle based on the “Armata” universal chassis system, according to local media reports.

“We have a contract for a pilot batch of more than 100 machines. They are already arriving for trials,” Russian Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov told RIA news agency during the Army 2016 military and technology forum, which was held in the Moscow Region on September 6-11. (The Russian defense ministry also published a video of a T-14 tank showcasing its capabilities during the forum on September 10.)

Borisov also announced that the initial plan of inducting 2,300 T-14 MBTs by 2020 had to be pushed back to 2025, without offering additional details. However, budgetary constraints are the most likely answer. The T-14 was originally priced at about $8 million. According to some Russian defense officials, the price will come down to around 250 million rubles ($3.8 million) per unit once serial production begins.

http://thediplomat.com/2016/09/russias-military-to-receive-100-new-t-14-armata-battle-tanks/

It is well into 2016 now. Let's say this year sees 100 T-14 produced. That leaves up to 2200 to be produced. If by 2020, that's 2200 in 3 years, or about 733 mbt per year. If by 2025, its 275 mbt per year. With much more uncertainty as to continued production.
 
No shit, that is what I said.









I think you are confusing Russians with Israelis, israelis have the 'best protected' tanks, the 'best pilots'.









:lol: the 100th SU-34 was just delivered. Sukhoi has also delivered dozens of SU-30SMs, SU-35s, and SU-100s just to the Russian Air Force. Hundreds more were manufactured for India, Malyasia, Nigeria, Vietnam, Singapore, Venuzuela, ect.

Companies such as Sukhoi have produced thousands of aircraft but yea somehow they cant mass produce anything.









Those 16 were built a long time ago. The T-14 had some issues with turret armor and all recent T-14 footage shows no changes to the Turret. There is zero question that there are addition batches/prototypes this is standar.









And you have a source to prove it took a year to manufacture? As for prototypes, they always take longer to manufacture because the factories are not yet equipped for mass production nor are there enough trained employees.









What was not built yet? Russia's has produced dozens of new platforms, some are in production and many are in the prototype stages.








You're trashing Russia, even though they are inducting countless weapons system each year and have new replacements for every weapons platform while Israel built a prototype APC and your are singing praises :lol:


It's quite clear you are only trolling since everything you say is proven nonsense.
Yeah, we do have the best pilots, we do have the best tanks, those pilots destroyed from Egyptian to Jordanian to North Korean to Russian pilots with the highest shooting down to getting shot down ratio in the world

Yeah, 100 Su34s in 2016, with first flight in 1990, you build it "really quick" huh?

Thousands of aircraft during dozens and dozens of years.

Those 16 were manufactured in a year because when I first saw it in the victory parade in Moscow I looked it up in Wikipedia and it said 4 were manufactured

Trained workers :rofl: in Russia, nice joke.

Yeah, dozens of new platforms, like Israel, a country 600 times smaller in land mass and 24 times smaller in population that has made as much and maybe even less as Israel or Israeli weapon companies

"Inducting" building 550 T90s for their army in 26 years, isn't exactly inducting
And we have proved ourselves capable of manufacturing a lot of tanks and APCs, all of them in high quality.
 
Yeah, we do have the best pilots, we do have the best tanks, those pilots destroyed from Egyptian to Jordanian to North Korean to Russian pilots with the highest shooting down to getting shot down ratio in the world




Israeli pilots are good but a good number have been shot down. Israelis blame most of their aircraft losses to SAMs, which are questionable at best. The down Russian aircraft you speak about was in large part because the Israelis attacked first, the Russian pilots initialy did not shoot when the Israelis were within visual range and the Russians also downed Israelis; moreover Pakistani pilots downed many Israeli aircraft.




Yeah, 100 Su34s in 2016, with first flight in 1990, you build it "really quick" huh?




You clearly know nothing :lol: that was when the first prototype flew. It usually takes a decade or more to develop an aircraft.

The SU-34 program also had funding issues because of the economy in the 1990s. Nevertheless, the aircraft was produced in batches depending on orders. Initiall batches were small and not serial production models.

In other words Sukhoi will not built 500 aircraft if only 38 are ordered. Understand?




Thousands of aircraft during dozens and dozens of years.




Continue to believe your fairytales that one of the biggest aerospace Companies in the world just over night lost the ability to manufacture thousands of aircraft for no apparent reason. Actually Sukhoi has opened new factories.

Look at all the countries that operate the SU-30, I'm not even talking about China or India but even Venuzuela operates over 100.



Those 16 were manufactured in a year because when I first saw it in the victory parade in Moscow I looked it up in Wikipedia and it said 4 were manufactured



You look it up in Wekipidia? :lol:


Your logic is also flawed. Even if 16 prototypes were manufactured in a year, it means squat because they are prototypes and prototypes do not get mass produced.


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Yep only 4 were manufactured/used in the parade except there is 7 in this picture. I have a feeling I'm talking to a kid, besides the fact that you're wrong about, literally, everything you seem to be either stupid or a troll if you keep pointing at prototypes and claiming Russia can not mass produce anything because they built only X amount of prototypes. If Russian companies get no orders then they will produce zero product. The Soviet Union ordered mass amounts of hardware that is why so much was produced, in comparison Russia has ordered a fraction of what the Soviet Union did.

Supply and demand is something you know nothing about.





Yeah, dozens of new platforms, like Israel, a country 600 times smaller in land mass and 24 times smaller in population that has made as much and maybe even less as Israel or Israeli weapon companies





Yea Israeli has made as much or more than Russia. You're obviously on drugs.




"Inducting" building 550 T90s for their army in 26 years, isn't exactly inducting




Again supply and demand and again you are sorely confused. Russia has manufactured a lot more T-90 tanks for India and other costomers then what it operates itself. The T-90 was never ordered in large numbers by Russia nor did it take 26 years to built 550 tanks Uralvagonzavod produced only what the customer ordered, and in the 1990s Russia only ordered small batches of T-90s. In fact the majority of T-90 order, probably 90% have been order in the past 10-15 years.


Uralvagonzavod is the largest tank manufacturer in the world, they have produced hundreds of thousands of tanks and they still produce a lot of tanks including T-72. Not to mention they are always upgrading, repairing or refurbishing tanks.
 
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I took example, the Soviets said they were about to mass produce the T90s, they didn't, and neither did the Russians after them
Russia already spends most of its money on maintaining their huge amounts of their T72s and T80s, let alone upgrading them, same about their aircrafts and such.
we cant afford develop plane beacause its costly

why to develop new tanks? its old tech maybe unmaned tanks
 
Israeli pilots are good but a good number have been shot down. Israelis blame most of their aircraft losses to SAMs, which are questionable at best. The down Russian aircraft you speak about was in large part because the Israelis attacked first, the Russian pilots initialy did not shoot when the Israelis were within visual range and the Russians also downed Israelis; moreover Pakistani pilots downed many Israeli aircraft.









You clearly know nothing :lol: that was when the first prototype flew. It usually takes a decade or more to develop an aircraft.

The SU-34 program also had funding issues because of the economy in the 1990s. Nevertheless, the aircraft was produced in batches depending on orders. Initiall batches were small and not serial production models.

In other words Sukhoi will not built 500 aircraft if only 38 are ordered. Understand?









Continue to believe your fairytales that one of the biggest aerospace Companies in the world just over night lost the ability to manufacture thousands of aircraft for no apparent reason. Actually Sukhoi has opened new factories.

Look at all the countries that operate the SU-30, I'm not even talking about China or India but even Venuzuela operates over 100.







You look it up in Wekipidia? :lol:


Your logic is also flawed. Even if 16 prototypes were manufactured in a year, it means squat because they are prototypes and prototypes do not get mass produced.


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Yep only 4 were manufactured/used in the parade except there is 7 in this picture. I have a feeling I'm talking to a kid, besides the fact that you're wrong about, literally, everything you seem to be either stupid or a troll if you keep pointing at prototypes and claiming Russia can not mass produce anything because they built only X amount of prototypes. If Russian companies get no orders then they will produce zero product. The Soviet Union ordered mass amounts of hardware that is why so much was produced, in comparison Russia has ordered a fraction of what the Soviet Union did.

Supply and demand is something you know nothing about.











Yea Israeli has made as much or more than Russia. You're obviously on drugs.









Again supply and demand and again you are sorely confused. Russia has manufactured a lot more T-90 tanks for India and other costomers then what it operates itself. The T-90 was never ordered in large numbers by Russia nor did it take 26 years to built 550 tanks Uralvagonzavod produced only what the customer ordered, and in the 1990s Russia only ordered small batches of T-90s. In fact the majority of T-90 order, probably 90% have been order in the past 10-15 years.


Uralvagonzavod is the largest tank manufacturer in the world, they have produced hundreds of thousands of tanks and they still produce a lot of tanks including T-72. Not to mention they are always upgrading, repairing or refurbishing tanks.
Sorry, was banned for reason I don't know.

Only old planes were shot down by SAMs, when Israel got the F16s and F15s, we have absolutely destroyed the Syrian air defense.
You cant "attack first" when you have 2 groups of jet fighters in front of each other at the same altitude.
It was simply the matter of skill, and we have defeated you in your best planes at the moment.
Not a single Israeli aircraft was downed by either Russia either Pakistan, you can keep dreaming about it.

Oh good, so you only have 34 more Su34s on order? and you want to destroy NATO and its allies airforce with this little amount of planes, which aren't superior than its western equivalent anyways?

You don't have enough pilots to fly enough jet fighters or enough money to produce and purchase a significant amount of them. Meanwhile, You have the biggest economies in the world on the west with huge, automated robotic factories.

Yeah, China, India and Venezuela, which pay for the export variants, which cost much more than the cost of producing one.

Don't get me wrong, I don't always trust Wikipedia as a source, but this is what it said. I guess it was wrong, sorry about it. And again, if you cant purchase more than 550 T90s into your army, why would you be able to build and purchase 2000 T14s which are much heavier and more complex, and cost more? Did it even ready its industry to mass produce them already? Did they fix the engine problems, which made it stall on asphalt? Did they fix its turret, which is easily penetrated, might even be penetrated by 1980s tanks? let alone modern ones?

Yep, Israel has made much more weapon systems than Russia in the last 20 years.

Again, I am not talking about India, which pays extra for an export variant, I am talking about Russia, the west wont fight India, it will fight Russia, I know what supply and demand is, but the thing is Russia cant purchase any significant amount of tanks anymore.

Yeah it isn't hard to build T72s, which are supposed to be easily built and cheaply built.
 
who would be the first international customer of these beast ??
 
Israeli pilots are good but a good number have been shot down. Israelis blame most of their aircraft losses to SAMs, which are questionable at best. The down Russian aircraft you speak about was in large part because the Israelis attacked first, the Russian pilots initialy did not shoot when the Israelis were within visual range and the Russians also downed Israelis; moreover Pakistani pilots downed many Israeli aircraft.
Well, getting shot down is always a risk when engaging in combat. The more you get into combat, the more likely at some point you incur some losses.

Why would the claim that most of Israel's combat losses have been due to SAMs be questionable? There hasn't been real A2A action involving Israel since 1985?
 
Congrats about Armata T-14. Nice work

I'm interested in this one. An awesome combination of 2 kinds of engines for Covering atmosphere and near space altitudes :tup:
Is there more info about it's manufacturing and features?
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