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Anyone with even a passing knowledge of India can immediately see that Indians arriving in Hong Kong to seek “political asylum” are engaged in a scam. It is true that large numbers live in poverty but as far as political and personal freedoms go, Indians are not deprived in the fair sense of the word.

In fact, many Indians and foreigners argue that India’s poverty is the result of granting civil liberties and freedoms too early in its economic development history, freedoms which have become available only recently in much richer East Asian countries such as South Korea and Taiwan.

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In a large country of more than a billion people, there are bound to be individuals and groups who feel they are not treated fairly. This is true of even the US, and there are already reports that a small number of Americans are preparing to migrate to Canada should Donald Trump be elected president in November. This does not mean that an American landing in Hong Kong next year seeking “political asylum” should be provided refuge.

The asylum law is there to protect against political, religious or other forms of persecution for their beliefs, not for fleeing poverty. Under these criteria, there is no case for Hong Kong to entertain asylum requests from Indians.

Why are Indians being targeted in Hong Kong’s crackdown on illegal immigration?
India’s poverty is epic. The nation has more poor people than the entire population of the US. What is even worse is that the social indicators of poverty, such as nutrition, children’s height and education, are even worse than in poorer countries in sub-Saharan Africa. There are historical and cultural reasons for this shameful state of affairs, which mercifully is changing, albeit slowly. Hundreds of millions will remain poor in India for decades to come.

But the asylum policy is about persecution. And, when it comes to personal liberties, India has a very good record. It holds regular elections arranged by an independent Election Commission using electronic voting machines across the country, a feat not matched by most developing and even some developed countries. The current prime minister comes from a family that used to sell tea in a train station and the previous incumbent comes from the Sikh community, who make up less than 2 per cent of the population.

Of course, like minorities everywhere, those in India have complaints, some valid. Muslims are the biggest minority and they face discrimination. However, India is not the only place where Muslims face such problems, as reports from the US and Europe show. Besides, India has had two Muslim presidents and Muslim names can be found among the richest five Indians.

Under Indian law, Muslims can follow their own laws, which allow for such things as marrying four women and not giving women a fair share of an inheritance – practices which are forbidden in many Muslim-majority countries. The Muslim population of India is growing in both absolute and relative terms to that of the majority Hindu population. Life for Muslims, like that for the majority of Indians, is tough but is not tough enough for them to claim “asylum”.

As for Christians, the church is the second largest landlords in India after the government. The Christian church manages and controls some of the most prestigious educational institutions. And Indian law guarantees that it can give preference to members of its own “communities” in admission to these institutions, a practice not allowed in most of “Christian” Europe.

As far as ideological views go, India has three large communist parties. It was one of the first countries in the world to elect a communist party government in state elections, in 1957. Throughout the cold war, communist parties in India continued to operate legally and controlled state governments for decades, whereas in most of East and Southeast Asia, they were banned and had to operate underground. There are also areas, such as Punjab and Kashmir, where separatist movements are supported by a minority and who have a vociferous diaspora of supporters abroad.

In short, it is difficult to make a case that anyone in India is politically oppressed. Those turning up in Hong Kong are clearly engaged in an organised racket to seek employment. The current “asylum” racket is well documented and organised by an unscrupulous cabal of lawyers who are gaming the system for their own monetary gains, rather than any sympathy for “asylum” seekers.

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Unfortunately, there are innocent victims in all this – the legitimate Indian tourists and travellers, half a million every year, who visit Hong Kong. Hamstrung by treaty obligations from sending back “asylum seekers”, the Hong Kong immigration authorities are harassing legitimate Indian visitors.

Europeans are already considering changing their post-second-world-war asylum laws, given the current refugee crisis.

The US has institutionalised its refugee policy on ideological grounds and has no room for purely “economic” migrants. For example, all refugees from Cuba are given immediate asylum but refugees from Haiti are turned back immediately, in spite of the fact that it is the poorest country in the American hemisphere.

Given the way refugee laws are practised elsewhere, and the acceptable political freedoms prevailing in India, the Hong Kong government can, in good conscience, turn back Indian asylum seekers. There is no reason why India should object, since the main intention of these people is to prove that India is a repressive country, which it is not. India is not likely to punish any of them. India’s courts have even refused to punish those who arranged meetings in government-funded universities to call for the break-up of the republic.


According to reports, the Hong Kong government has been trying to get the Indian government to stem the flow “at source”. This is unlikely to work. India is a “soft” state, where all sorts of insurgents demand “rights”. The Indian government can hardly control its own borders; millions of illegal immigrants from Bangladesh seep in every year. Controlling the “travel agencies” in India that are engaged in the “asylum” tourism to Hong Kong is not likely to be a priority for Indian government agencies facing enormous challenges on multiple fronts.

Several people-smuggling rackets operate in Hong Kong to bring South Asians to the city, police say
Thus, Hong Kong should send Indians back home, safe in the knowledge that they will not be punished on return. In return, the immigration authorities here should stop treating legitimate Indian visitors as potential criminals.

While India remains a poor country, it punches above its weight in IT services and has the fourth largest number of “start-up” companies in the world. If one arm of the Hong Kong government is promoting an “innovation” economy, then the city should be encouraging more business visitors from India. By sending back these “asylum” seekers, the Hong Kong government will be doing the majority of Indians in Hong Kong and India a big favour.

http://www.scmp.com/comment/insight...ng-kong-should-send-back-asylum-seekers-india
 
I really can feel for those refugees in HK...

HK is famous for racism against dark skin people....u can imagine how hard those kids were in HK, they would be judged by their nationality uncertainty, their skin colour, the cloth they wore, the way they talked....scolded, bullied, hit, tortured...terrible memory for them

Such torture and mistreatment they received in HK would lead to huge psychological problems when they are adults now. You can imagine how miserable their adult life is no matter in which country.

We should do something to make their fate better!
 
Donald Trump’s anti-refugee style of politics come to Hong Kong
26 March 2016

By Oiwan Lam

Ahead of Hong Kong’s legislative election this September, the local government and pro-Beijing political parties are fanning prejudice against asylum seekers in a campaign strategy that mimics, some say, Donald Trump’s presidential run in the United States.

Hong Kong Chief Executive Leung Chun Ying made anti-refugee sentiment a leading election issue this January, when he suggested in a speech that Hong Kong has the right to withdraw from the UN Convention Against Torture “if necessary.” Leung later praised the newspaper Oriental Daily, thanking it for covering the problem of “fake” refugees being smuggled into Hong Kong for economic purposes.

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As of February 2016, there were more than 11,000 asylum applications submitted in Hong Kong. The logjam is largely the result of an appellate court ruling in 2013, which set a new “high standard of fairness” in the immigration review process. As a result, most preexisting applications had to be reprocessed under the newly introduced Unified Screening Mechanism (USM).

Local human rights groups and refugee groups slammed Leung’s remarks, criticizing him strongly for warning against “fake” refugees, which activists say reinforces prejudices against asylum seekers. The Hong-Kong-based Human Rights Monitorsuggested that Leung’s comments about withdrawing from the Torture Convention are his “revenge” against the UN Committee Against Torture, which criticized Hong Kong’s police actions against peaceful demonstrators during the two-month-long Occupy Central movement in 2014.

Despite the criticisms, former Security Secretary Ambrose Lee Siu-kwong (who today serves as a representative in China National People’s Congress) has supported Leung, and is pushing to denounce the Torture Convention. Lee even submitted a proposal during the annual parliamentary meeting asking Beijing to exempt Hong Kong from the convention in March.

While Hong Kong is not a sovereign state and hence is in no position to withdraw from the convention, pro-government legislator Priscilla Leung suggested that the city could ask the central government to exempt Hong Kong from enacting the convention under the “One Country Two System” policy.

Meanwhile, two pro-establishment political parties (the Democratic Alliance for the Betterment and Progress of Hong Kong, as well as the Liberal Party) have begun advocating for the construction of closed refugee camp.

Dominic Lee, a young rising star of the Liberal Party planning to run for office this September, wrote on Facebook this week that he’s got 108 banners against “fake refugees” ready to be hanged in the streets.

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The top banner above reads, “Among 8,000 applicants, only 40 cases have been established, which means 99 percent of the applicants were fake refugees. Build closed refugee camps ASAP and put a stop to fake refugees.”

The bottom banner above reads, “Did you know that, since 2009, there have been more than 3,800 cases of rape, drug dealing, and robbery involving [asylum] applicants? Build closed refugee camps ASAP and put a stop to fake refugees.”

Dominic Lee also leads the Alliance Demanding Repatriation of Refugees, which tracks serious and minor crimes allegedly committed by refugees in Hong Kong and around the world.

Michael Leung, a Master’s student at Harvard Law School, writing in the independent online news outlet Hong Kong Free Press, criticized the “fake” refugee problem, calling the concerns “bigotry in disguise”:

Hong Kong’s low substantiation rate is not reflective of unworthy or “fake” refugees, but instead a product of the Immigration Department’s unreasonably high standards. For example, Justice Centre Hong Kong, a refugee rights advocacy group, noted several rejected claims grounded in the government’s conclusion that that there is no risks in the country of origins, even though the rejected claimants are from countries flagged by the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) as countries of concern due to widespread conflicts and persecutions.

Journalist and TV talk show host Michael Chugani also shamed the pro-Beijing politicians for treating dark-skinned refugees like criminals who should be locked up. Chugani called it “the Trump Card,” referring to Donald Trump’s controversial remarks in the US presidential race and immigration and asylum.

Victoria Wisniewski Otero, the advocacy and campaigns manager at Justice Centre Hong Kong, told Hong Kong Free Press that biased reporting by the mainstream media keeps society ignorant about asylum seekers.

The public tends to believe what they read in the media […] and the coverage has been mostly negative. Local people are not exposed to refugees in a micro-environment, and as a result these negative stereotypes are not dispelled. One common allegation is that the refugees are “fake”.

Local human rights activists, on the other hand, argue that Hong Kong’s issues with the UN Torture Convention are a “fake issue.” Even outside this convention, activists say, the authorities still have international legal obligations to accept refugee claims under “fairness” principles. Perhaps even more importantly, China has weathered far more severe criticism about its human rights practices—including harsher criticism regarding torture—and yet it’s never attempted to withdraw from the UN convention.

https://www.hongkongfp.com/2016/03/...-refugee-style-of-politics-come-to-hong-kong/
http://www.scmp.com/comment/insight...ng-kong-should-send-back-asylum-seekers-india
http://hongkong.coconuts.co/2015/12...lum-visas-help-immigrants-work-illegally-hong
http://news.rthk.hk/rthk/en/component/k2/1220081-20151028.htm

Enough is enough, Hongkong government has to stop being a charity hub for "Fake Asylum" seekers taking advantages of our well wishers= "Hongkongers" period
 
I really can feel for those refugees in HK...

HK is famous for racism against dark skin people....u can imagine how hard those kids were in HK, they would be judged by their nationality uncertainty, their skin colour, the cloth they wore, the way they talked....scolded, bullied, hit, tortured...terrible memory for them

Such torture and mistreatment they received in HK would lead to huge psychological problems when they are adults now. You can imagine how miserable their adult life is no matter in which country.

We should do something to make their fate better!

AS a native Hongkonger, i beg to differ, our city, our rule
So? if we're the most racist city on the planet? still people keep pouring in with legal or illegal way like there is no tomorrow
If they dont want to be treated as some untouchables as you've been hinting, "DON'T COME" simple as that
We Hongkongers are just sick and tired of being taken advantages of being "KIND HEARTED" since the "BOAT PEOPLE" refugees from the Vietnam war era in the 70s
What we rewarded in return? MORE hatred from the Vietnamese that we have saved from being fish food at the bottom of the oceans with spending more than 200 millions US dollars back in the 70s till 80s
Now here they come again as "FAKED ASYLUM" committing crimes on a daily basis with over 3000 hk dollars monthly to feel their pockets
What do you expected from us, "SOME FLOWERS" perhaps???
 
AS a native Hongkonger, i beg to differ, our city, our rule
So? if we're the most racist city on the planet? still people keep pouring in with legal or illegal way like there is no tomorrow
If they dont want to be treated as some untouchables as you've been hinting, "DON'T COME" simple as that
We Hongkongers are just sick and tired of being taken advantages of being "KIND HEARTED" since the "BOAT PEOPLE" refugees from the Vietnam war era in the 70s
What we rewarded in return? MORE hatred from the Vietnamese that we have saved from being fish food at the bottom of the oceans with spending more than 200 millions US dollars back in the 70s till 80s
Now here they come again as "FAKED ASYLUM" committing crimes on a daily basis with over 3000 hk dollars monthly to feel their pockets
What do you expected from us, "SOME FLOWERS" perhaps???

Totally agree with you brother. :tup:

China is not an immigration nation. Should we start giving Chinese citizenship to every foreigner who asks for it? Especially from these anti-China countries?

I really can feel for those refugees in HK...

HK is famous for racism against dark skin people....u can imagine how hard those kids were in HK, they would be judged by their nationality uncertainty, their skin colour, the cloth they wore, the way they talked....scolded, bullied, hit, tortured...terrible memory for them

Such torture and mistreatment they received in HK would lead to huge psychological problems when they are adults now. You can imagine how miserable their adult life is no matter in which country.

We should do something to make their fate better!

Do you want us to take in all of these Indian asylum seekers? Vietnamese, Filipinos? :blink:
 
Really, People from India go and seek asylum in China? it is a clear fraud, whichever way you look at it.
 
TO all those "FAKED ASYLUM" seekers, "YOU"RE NOT WELCOME" period
YES, especial the "TOP of the list offender countries, (1) Indians (2) Vietnamese
STOP exporting criminals to my beloved hometown HK, THANK YOU:flood:
 
Really, People from India go and seek asylum in China? it is a clear fraud, whichever way you look at it.

READ the news article before shooting your bad breath, THIS is a "WELL KNOWN FACT"
Looks like you've been living in the your own well like a frog for too long
By denying this type of international news only proved your ignorance is real

We don't need these refugees, please leave.

We don't need Indians and Vietnamese to become Chinese citizens.

Chinese citizenship? in their dreams
HK citizenship? on our dead bodies period
 
READ the news article before shooting your bad breath, THIS is a "WELL KNOWN FACT"
Looks like you've been living in the your own well like a frog for too long
By denying this type of international news only proved your ignorance is real
Easy boy. I agreed to the spirit of article. Seems lost in translation. try a better translator please. I said it IS a fraud. sned them back
 
China is not an immigration nation. Should we start giving Chinese citizenship to every foreigner who asks for it? Especially from these anti-China countries?

Exactly my thoughts!

It is extremely impractical to fell for the neo-liberal/globalist idea of creating global disastrous salad bowls. In fact, the West is backing away from that route and there is no reason for us to adopt the empirically failed policies.

China is not an immigrant nation. It has its own historic mission of providing the citizens with a moderately prosperous state of existence.

Hong Kong is being prudent, rational, and empirical.

A controlled number of experts being given residency are fine, in my view, as they would contribute to the society without being a socio-economic burden on the country.

But asylum-seekers? Those must stay where they are and work to fix their own problems rather than jumping and leeching on others' hard work.
 
We don't need Indians and Vietnamese to become Chinese citizens.

Evict them. The article is correct, Indians claiming asylum are frauds. Nothing to see, deport them when they make the claim and you will soon see that these sorts of claimants will disappear immediately.

Oh yeah, Indians style of face saving tactic when losing an argument as usual= "your English suck":haha:

Actually, you did get his comment wrong. He clearly said that anyone from India claiming asylum in "China" was indulging in fraud.
 
Evict them. The article is correct, Indians claiming asylum are frauds. Nothing to see, deport them when they make the claim and you will soon see that these sorts of claimants will disappear immediately.



Actually, you did get his comment wrong. He cleared said that anyone from India claiming asylum in "China" was indulging in fraud.
Unfortunately its easy to say than done, google why, i'm tired of spoon feeding
 

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