Cleric terms Women’s Protection Bill contrary to Islamic Sharia

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@Zarvan
Can you tell me what they have done for Pakistan except producing Suicide bombers.?
They even don't accept existence of Pakistan, rather put their best efforts to bring down Quaid.
They are nothing but ****

 

[litman]

mufti sab relax . pak main koe law follow ho raha hay jo y ho ga???

 

[Zibago]

@Zarvan
Can you tell me what they have done for Pakistan except producing Suicide bombers.?
They even don't accept existence of Pakistan, rather put their best efforts to bring down Quaid.
They are nothing but ****

Muft ki tafreeh for bored awaam

 

[AHMED85]

mufti sab relax . pak main koe law follow ho raha hay jo y ho ga???

It is not the probem of mufti or molvie, it is problem of Pakistan, I know little violence will continued, but criminals enjoying by derailing women's, & enjoying them.
Well it is not my matter, but innocent women's & males will hunt with this law. Again criminals will in advantage points. By putting male in jails or divorce & let women on family or worse conditions in entire life.

 

[BelligerentPacifist]

It would appear out of place for a Christian to comment on whether something is or isn't part of the final sharii3ah. Why would anybody take a cleric's opinion on that?

 

[AHMED85]

Ab karey ga Rana Rajj
Bw Kay zaryee vote lay ga, nehai tu sohar andar our Rana ki masooq enjoying life as she like.

An baladkari parooson ney ab logon ki ourtoon, ko khoob karab karna hy.
IK ki 3 sadi bhi tu karab karwani hy.

SUGAL WAKHOO LOGOON KAY SATH.

 

[pak-marine]

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

But once in little violence male will face worse handling from females

Then 'males' should avoid engaging in even 'a little violence'.

The solution is to teach males in our society that violence, whether a little or a lot, is unacceptable, and laws that punish violence are absolutely needed.

Remembered in our society, divorced or dirty women who are declared as liberal women are not acceptable for decent males, where other only using & recycling them.

Why are you equating 'divorced women' with 'dirty women'? A women can be divorced for many reasons, that are not her fault - a mentally and physically abusive husband or in-laws or a husband who just decided he no longer wanted to remain married to the woman. In all of these examples the culprit is the husband, not the wife.

The fact that our society has people like you who automatically equate 'divorced women' with 'dirty women' shows how polluted, intolerant and diseased the mindset of our society has become.

 

[pak-marine]

Mufti vs another pakistani women ..

 

[Ray_of_Hope]

Its really saddening to see these ``clerics`` causing hue and cry and using Islam and Sharia as a base for this while in Quran it is clearly written that women must have equal rights.
I don`t see any contradiction to Islamic teachings in this law.
Here`s the law
http://www.punjabcode.punjab.gov.pk/public/dr/PUNJAB PROTECTION OF WOMEN AGAINST VIOLENCE BILL 2015.doc.pdf

 

[Saquib]

To all those who critics who object saying its contrary to Islamic Sharia If you object western influences just talk to women who have bee victims! how would you feel if your mother, sister or your daughter was used as punch bag; What will you do? seek justice from whom? if this cleric object he should offer a solution not criticize. after all in Pakistan everyone has a price? and can be bought to change their views?

SAME ON THOSE WHO OBJECT TO THIS LAW EITHER OFFER A SOLUTION OR SHUT UP!

 

[curious]

"On receipt of the complaint, the Court shall issue a notice to the defendant
calling upon him to show cause within seven days of the receipt of notice as to why any order
under this Act may not be made and if the defendant fails to file a reply within the specified
time, the Court, subject to service of the notice on the defendant, shall assume that the
defendant has no plausible defense and proceed to pass any order under this Act."

"If the Court is satisfied that the complaint prima facie shows that the defendant
has committed an act of violence or is likely to commit an act of violence, it may issue an
order on the basis of an affidavit of the aggrieved person or any other material before the
Court."

Prima facie. Latin for "at first sight." Prima facie may be used as an adjective meaning "sufficient to establish a fact or raise a presumption unless disproved or rebutted;" e.g., prima facie evidence.

In common law jurisdictions, prima facie denotes evidence that, unless rebutted, would be sufficient to prove a particular proposition or fact.

That sounds a lot like the burden of proof is being put on the shoulders of the defendant or the man. In other words, guilty until proven innocent.

"Right to reside in house.– Notwithstanding anything contained in any other law, the
aggrieved person, who is the victim of domestic violence, shall not be evicted, save in
accordance with law, from the house without her consent or if wrongfully evicted, the Court
shall restore the position obtaining before the eviction of the aggrieved person if the aggrieved
person has right, title or beneficial interest in the house."

"Protection order.– (1) If the Court is satisfied that any violence has been committed
or is likely to be committed, the Court may pass a protection order in favour of the aggrieved
person and direct the defendant:
(a) not to have any communication with the aggrieved person, with or without
exceptions;
(b) stay away from the aggrieved person, with or without exceptions;
(c) stay at such distance from the aggrieved person as may, keeping in view the
peculiar facts and circumstances of the case, be determined by the Court;
(d) wear ankle or wrist bracelet GPS tracker to track the movement of the
defendant twenty four hours, seven days a week;
(e) move out of the house;
(f) surrender any weapon or firearm which the defendant lawfully possesses or
prohibit the defendant from purchasing a firearm or obtaining license of a
firearm;
(g) refrain from aiding or abetting an act of violence;
(h) refrain from entering the place of employment of the aggrieved person or any
other place frequently visited by the aggrieved person;
(i) refrain from causing violence to a dependent, other relative or any person who
provides assistance to the aggrieved person against violence; or
(j) refrain from committing such other acts as may be specified in the protection
order."
"Residence order.– (1) The Court, in case of domestic violence, may in addition to any
order under section 7, pass a residence order directing that:
(a) the aggrieved person shall not be evicted, save in accordance with law,
from the house;
(b) the aggrieved person has the right to stay in the house;
(c) the defendant shall not sell or transfer the house to any person other
than the aggrieved person;
(d) the aggrieved person may be relocated from the house to the shelter
home for purposes of relief, protection and rehabilitation;
(e) the defendant shall deliver the possession of any property or
documents to the aggrieved person to which the aggrieved person is
entitled;
(f) the defendant or any relative of the defendant is restrained from
entering the shelter home or place of employment or any other place
frequently visited by the aggrieved person; or
(g) shall arrange an alternative accommodation for the aggrieved person or
to pay rent for the alternative accommodation."

So just by getting accused of committing "violence" which he fails to disprove, he not only looses his house to the woman, but but gets further humiliating treatment like wearing those tracker devices.

"Monetary order.– (1) The Court may, at any stage of the trial of a case, pass an order
directing the defendant to pay monetary relief to meet the expenses incurred and losses
suffered by the aggrieved person and such relief may include:
(a) such compensation, as the Court may determine, to the aggrieved person for
suffering as a consequence of economic abuse;
(b) loss of earning;
(c) medical expense;
(d) loss caused due to the destruction, damage or removal of any property from
the control of the aggrieved person to which the aggrieved person is entitled;
and
(e) reasonable maintenance for the aggrieved person and her dependent children,
if any, in addition to an order of maintenance under family laws.
(2) The Court shall have due regard to the financial needs and resources of the
parties before passing any order under subsection (1).
(3) The defendant shall pay monetary relief to the aggrieved person within the
period specified in the order made under subsection (1).
(4) If the defendant fails to make payment within the period mentioned in the order,
the Court shall direct the employer or debtor of the defendant, directly to pay the aggrieved
person or to deposit with the Court a portion of the wages or debt due to or accrued to the
credit of the defendant.
(5) The amount paid or deposited under subsection (4) shall be adjusted by the
employer or debtor towards payment to the defendant."

Oh no loosing his property is not enough, he must pay "monetary relief" too.
By the way how do the super efficient corruption free totally honest Pakistani courts determine that violence is "likely to be committed" ?!?
Maybe they have these hidden in a secret facility somewhere:

Theres a lot of vague & ambiguous language language in there and the potential of abuse is clear.And it sets a very dangerous precedent where the state can just evict anyone from their homes citing domestic violence.Even if they have done some domestic abuse that does not make it right to take their property away from them.And if it gets passed soon they will likely introduce new set of laws designed to give the government the right to take children from parents on the excuse of abuse or failing to provide the child with good enough life.

Yes we do have serious problems with domestic violence/abuse, infact we have a problem with abuse, all types of abuse domestic or otherwise. In order to start taking care of it we need to seriously revamp our justice system and law enforcement and civil services. And this can only be done if we manage to stop the rampant corruption and nepotism that has rotten our society to its core.

 

[waz]

Mufti Naeem, I'd file him under ignore.....
Good bill.

 

[Zarvan]

WTF are you talking about ? Did you have read the law and for how many days a man can be barred from entering his house ?

Zarvan, You are such a educated illiterate that I dont know whether to laugh on you or cry at your pity state of mind. Neither you understand law nor you dont know the english, Nor you can proof what you are saying is written in the law. Nor you can proof that bill is reflecting the ground of women in Punjab instead of importing western crap.

If you have understood law so perfectly. Then Translate the law into Urdu. Lets see if it is against Quran and Sunnah. If you are unable to do, then STFU and dont comment on it further unless your thick head can understand what the Law is actually saying

You and your kind is so detached from the reality that you think everything is black and white. That instead of passing this law a women can get divorce so to avoid all this thing. But naaah you are not going to consider gray areas ?



Are you really living in Pakistan and knows what kind of things women has to go before she can attain a divorce ?



Shah, I dont need to sit with qualified scholar because I know there is not a single thing in law which is against Quran and Sunnah? How I know ? Because I understand english perfectly and knows what the law is saying.

Now the real question is. What is so western in the bill except the language english ? Please point a single thing in the bill which is directly imported from western society ?

Which Islamic laws deal with domestic issues that this bill has specifically covered ?


The problem with people like you is You are only good for giving generalized and sweeping statements like Khilafa is solution to all problems, Implementing Islam is solution to all problems blah blah blah but when it comes to dealing with Actual gray areas where Islam remains quite. The real mentality is then exposed of guys like you

Yes I have read the law it's you who have no idea what this law is going to do. It can very well turn beating into murders. You need to come out of delusional western crap but waith remain in delusion soon you would read what this crap law has done and has made lives of women more miserable

 

[Zibago]

Mufti Naeem, I'd file him under ignore.....
Good bill.

Bas phir apkay liay do adad wajib ul qatal fatwoan kay order daitay hain