Pakistan should conduct Plebiscite in Azad Kashmir

[graphican]

Any plebiscite in P0K and GB, means both P0K and GB will become independent country.

Sell your fear to Dehli.. it needs more of it.

Before all that happens... Pakistani army has to run away form P0K... and are you very sure that Pakistan Army is willing to do that?

I really wonder why Pakistanis avoid discussion on these three primary conditions of plebiscite...if it were to happen.

Oh Suddenly I find Indians going back to UN resolution and talking "how it would happen". 30 minute ago, I was finding Indians deny this possibility altogether. Badalta hay Rang-e-Asaman Kesy Kesy.

 

[The Great One]

Sure. Go ahead.
A plebiscite held in AJK is of no consequence to India. The question of India holding any plebiscite or seriously considering any negotiation with Pakistan on Kashmir was closed when Pakistan in one its fits of stupidity decided to subterfuge, infiltrate and invade Kashmir back in 1965.
No country gives a f##k about Kashmir any more including the UN. Its a dead issue and as long as Pakistan's reputation for using Islamic terrorism still preceeds it, we have nothing to worry about.

Keep dreaming.

 

[ito]

The same resolution will become foundation of the Plebiscite.. when International Observes are coming, there is no question of they being not-credible. And this will leave no space for India to escape and no place to hide.

I don't think India will follow Pakistan in this regard. Pakistan conducting plebiscite is in line with Pakistan position that Kashmir is a disputed territory, while India position is clear Kashmir is integral part of India, so no question of any plebiscite happening in Indian part of Kashmir.

 

[graphican]

I don't think India will follow Pakistan in this regard. Pakistan conducting plebiscite is in line with Pakistan position that Kashmir is a disputed territory, while India position is clear Kashmir is integral part of India, so no question of any plebiscite happening in Indian part of Kashmir.

Obviously India will not follow and will face criticism of entire world when borders on Kashmir will get hot. At the moment when innocents are killed on either side, there is no possible solution which the world could push or demand.. but after Plebiscite is done in Azad Kashmir (Independent Kashmir), pressure will be basically on India to end this by conducting Plebiscite on its side and listen to what Kashmiris say.

 

[AnnoyingOrange]

Sell your fear to Dehli.. it needs more of it.



Oh Suddenly I find Indians going back to UN resolution and talking "how it would happen". 30 minute ago, I was finding Indians deny this possibility altogether. Badalta hay Rang-e-Asaman Kesy Kesy.

Who is going back to resolution...we have always stuck to document in which Maharaja of Kashmir joined India ....

Pakistan has lost any credibility.. and infact any chance of raising Kashmir in 1971...when your leadership signed Shimla agreement.... its just to amuse you guys we respond to this "PLEBISCITE" cry.

 

[ito]

Sell your fear to Dehli.. it needs more of it.

Delhi is clear...Kashmir is not central to its economic or foreign or trade strategy...hence any development is not bounded to Kashmir...Kashmir is like any state of India.

Pakistan is different...everything in Pakistan is tied up to Kashmir. Until Kashmir is solved, Pakistan is freezed. It cannot move forward. And looking at things, Kashmir issue will remain for a long long time.

 

[graphican]

Who is going back to resolution...we have always stuck to document in which Maharaja of Kashmir joined India ....

Pakistan has lost any credibility.. and infact any chance of raising Kashmir in 1971...when your leadership signed Shimla agreement.... its just to amuse you guys we respond to this "PLEBISCITE" cry.

Unfortunately, India too has agreed to conduct Plebiscite and is a signatory of UN resolution. India had presented that document in UN claiming Kashmir has been given to India and UN rejected this document still asking for Plebiscite.

 

[unbiasedopinion]

Oh Suddenly I find Indians going back to UN resolution and talking "how it would happen". 30 minute ago, I was finding Indians deny this possibility altogether. Badalta hay Rang-e-Asaman Kesy Kesy.

You are missing the big IF which was there in the original statement.

 

[AnnoyingOrange]

Obviously India will not follow and will face criticism of entire world when borders on Kashmir will get hot. At the moment when innocents are killed on either side, there is no possible solution which the world could push or demand.. but after Plebiscite is done in Azad Kashmir (Independent Kashmir), pressure will be basically on India to end this by conducting Plebiscite on its side and listen to what Kashmiris say.

How much more heat is desired by you guys... haven't you guys felt the heat enough....look at your country....

 

[unbiasedopinion]

Unfortunately, India too has agreed to conduct Plebiscite and is a signatory of UN resolution. India had presented that document in UN claiming Kashmir has been given to India and UN rejected this document still asking for Plebiscite.

But i remember Pakistani story is based on the whole assumption there is no such letter of accession. Now you are saying there was one. Hence there is no need for Pakistan to hold back on the occupied land of kashmir

 

[Pulsar]

This thread is taking its lead from following two news

• Pakistan has raised issue of Kashmir in UN and demanded Plebiscite
• India has rejected Pakistan's demand of Plebiscite and shown its usual lameness

Suggestion:
Lets begin this process of Plebiscite in Azad Kashmir which is the independent state of Kashmir outside Indian Occupation. By starting the process of Plebiscite in Azad Kashmir, we will

1. Take this issue to a new level altogether, appreciated under international law
2. Give a new goal to Kashmiris under Indian Occupation to demand it with more zeal
3. Destroy flimsy Indian stance that Kashmiris are already exercising their right to vote under Indian Constitution
4. Complete half of the process asked by UN resolutions, pressurising India to complete its half (we know India would try to play but we can always demand international and neutral audience - which will open doors of international press and Media to Kashmir which India has blocked since decades)
5. Give Kashmiris a more legitimate channel to exert their energies and connect with Pakistan and Azad Kashmir for good reasons and more.
6. Plebiscite should carry three questions,
   1. Azad Kashmir should be independent territory
   2. Azad Kashmir should be part of Pakistan
   3. Azak Kashmir should be part of India
7. This will be hard to counter by India - India at best can reject its results but Indian opinion matters least here.
8. Countries who previously sided with India will also find hard to object or reject such an initiative. Factually there are no grounds of rejection of independent observes are invited.
9. Scotland has recently went through that and there is a recent example before the world where opinion of people shaped their future.

I know this is not official thread but if this Idea seems workable, we can make it a National and Kashmir Voice. If this happens, Pakistan has nothing to loose but as a result of this Plebiscite, it and Kashmiris can gain a lot.

You are boring the crap out of us! Seems you guys have nothing else to do in life but eat, sleep and dream Kashmir! You guys have become a joke and the world has started getting pissed off!

Like delegates from most countries walked away when the Kashmir 'issue' was raised in the UN general assembly by Nawaz. The remainder almost died of boredom...


Where's everybody?

 

[graphican]

Delhi is clear...Kashmir is not central to its economic or foreign or trade strategy...hence any development is not bounded to Kashmir...Kashmir is like any state of India.

Pakistan is different...everything in Pakistan is tied up to Kashmir. Until Kashmir is solved, Pakistan is freezed. It cannot move forward. And looking at things, Kashmir issue will remain for a long long time.

I agree with your assessment except "Kashmir issue will remain like this for a long long time". No it won't.. if it is not Plebiscite then Kashmiri's armed struggle would change it for them. They have spent 60 years listening to Indian promises (as Nehru made to them and before UN) and then by Indians Governments (multiple of those). Kashmir is continuously kept under Indian forced occupation with no hope given for their right to self determination.

 

[ito]

Obviously India will not follow and will face criticism of entire world when borders on Kashmir will get hot. At the moment when innocents are killed on either side, there is no possible solution which the world could push or demand.. but after Plebiscite is done in Azad Kashmir (Independent Kashmir), pressure will be basically on India to end this by conducting Plebiscite on its side and listen to what Kashmiris say.

You can take that chance...but I don't think India will ever conduct any plebiscite...and, moreover, more powerful you get, more the international community will agree with you. If nobody is questioning China on Tibet, it is because China has become more powerful.

 

[Parul]

If this was contentful, Pakistan must have given up Indian occupied Kashmir by now. 60 years on, we are as prepared to take it back as we were in 1947. Its not just Pakistan, 2rd and 3th Generation of Kashmiris have rejected India and are demanding libation after 60 years of terrorism and occupation by India.

Their 4th, 5th, 6th and other generations can follow same path, the result will remain same -stalemate. I agree Pakistan is supporting terrorism in Kashmir since Indepence and per U N resolutions Pakistan is illegally occupying Kashmir.

PS: I read a thread started by you in 'Kashmir Section' wherein you mentioned in OP that Kashmiri's write Indian Occupied Kashmir (IOK), then only the posts get delivered. Kaha Kha say dhoond Kay late hoo asye Jokes?

 

[lastofthepatriots]

The hindu lagar bagars would be afraid of such a move. They will hold on for dear life when it comes to IOK. Don't know why, as most of the residents are Muslims and also support Pakistan. If these lecherous Indians gave them independence, we could probably be peaceful neighbors.