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May 7, 10:42 AM EDT

Germans today see Nazi defeat as liberation

By DAVID RISING
Associated Press

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The troops of the 10th Tank Corps 5th Guards Tank Army 2nd Belorussian Front occupied city Mühlhausen (now the Polish city Młynary) the city was liberated from the Nazi troops January 24, 1945.

BERLIN (AP) -- Millions of Germans experienced the fall of Nazi Germany 70 years ago Friday as total defeat. Today, most Germans view it as liberation from 12 years of tyranny.

In a symbol of the shift in perception, the German Parliament plans a special session Friday to reflect upon "a day that stands for a new beginning, and the double liberation from war and Nazism."

A poll released last week showed 89 percent of Germans now think of the end of the war as liberation, with only 9 percent calling it a defeat. That compares to 35 percent who saw the Nazi fall as a defeat a decade ago. The Forsa institute poll of 18 to 85 year olds had a margin of error of plus or minus three percentage points.

In marking the end of the war in Europe, Chancellor Angela Merkel has already paid tribute to Nazi victims in a ceremony at the Dachau concentration camp near Munich; on Sunday she will lay a wreath on the tomb of an unknown Red Army soldier buried in Moscow. Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier left Thursday to take part in ceremonies in Volgograd, formally Stalingrad, where the Soviets won a decisive victory over the Nazis in a turning point of the war.

The change in perception has not come overnight.

A groundbreaking moment came when then-West German President Richard von Weizsaecker's referred to Nazi Germany's defeat as a "day of liberation" in a speech marking the 40th anniversary of the war's end in 1985. When Weizsaecker died in January, Merkel said the comment was "a necessary, clear statement that was significant for our German self-image."

Another important landmark came in 2004, when then-Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder marked the 60th anniversary of Col. Claus von Stauffenberg's failed attempt to kill Hitler with a briefcase bomb by calling him and his co-conspirators heroes - erasing any perception of them as traitors as they had been labeled by the Nazis.

Schroeder was the first chancellor with no personal memory of the war himself. And only one member of Merkel's Cabinet - Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble - was born by the war's end.

Merkel in her video message this week stressed that her generation still had an historical obligation to fulfill.

"We Germans have a special responsibility to deal attentively, sensitively and skillfully with what we did in the Nazi era and what long-lasting wounds and concerns there are in other countries," she said. "I fully understand that."

German President Joachim Gauck, meanwhile, has said that paying tribute to Soviet soldiers would be at the center of his commemorations marking the events of May 1945 - although the former pastor from communist East Germany acknowledged that memories of the Soviet army are "ambivalent."

"On May 8, 1945, we were liberated - by the people of the Soviet Union, though not only them," he told the daily Sueddeutsche Zeitung in an interview Saturday. "We owe them gratitude and respect. And that is the case regardless of the fact that the Soviet liberators ensured, as occupiers in eastern Germany after the war, a lack of freedom, repression and persecution."

The war remains so central to modern Germany that there is no danger of it being forgotten in Germany, even if perceptions have changed, said Berlin Free University historian Paul Nolte.

He noted how the French Revolution more than 200 years ago still plays a role today in French political discourse, and that the U.S. Civil War ended 150 years ago but remains part of the American racism debate today.

The Nazi era will be a decisive part of Germany's history, "long into the foreseeable future," he said.

"Even when it lies 200 years in the past."

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Kirsten Grieshaber and Geir Moulson contributed to this story.
 
Sad to see how weak the Germans have become. The NAZIS were no better or worse than what the europeans were that time in general. Looks like the Germans forgot the horrific war crimes committed by the allies like the bombing of dresden and the medieval era style atrocities by soviet troops in Berlin.
 
Madness........There's nothing to learn from that,maybe just how a nation can go full retard.Ok,you apologised for the Nazis but no matter how bad the Nazis were you just can't celebrate your country getting beaten to a pulp.Liberation ? Their cities were leveled to the ground,hoards of Bolsheviks raped every female they laid their dirty pawns on from 5 to 90 year old,women commited suicide after mass rapes,their scientific advancements were stolen so other nations could become "premiere space travelling nations".And you celebrate all of this ?...........:fie:
 
Madness........There's nothing to learn from that,maybe just how a nation can go full retard.Ok,you apologised for the Nazis but no matter how bad the Nazis were you just can't celebrate your country getting beaten to a pulp.Liberation ? Their cities were leveled to the ground,hoards of Bolsheviks raped every female they laid their dirty pawns on from 5 to 90 year old,women commited suicide after mass rapes,their scientific advancements were stolen so other nations could become "premiere space travelling nations".And you celebrate all of this ?...........:fie:

What else can the Germans say, "we will avenge WW2 defeat"? They are a country of defeated people and it feels sad to see them fall so low.
 
What else can the Germans say, "we will avenge WW2 defeat"? They are a country of defeated people and it feels sad to see them fall so low.

Would you rather have Hitler advance from Europe to the rest of the world and put everyone else in gas chambers? Use your brain before uttering nonsense. You feel sad? What are they to you? Relatives? You should feel happy.
 
What else can the Germans say, "we will avenge WW2 defeat"? They are a country of defeated people and it feels sad to see them fall so low.
Yes, they should have followed Japan's post war instance. @flamer84
 
Sad to see how weak the Germans have become. The NAZIS were no better or worse than what the europeans were that time in general. Looks like the Germans forgot the horrific war crimes committed by the allies like the bombing of dresden and the medieval era style atrocities by soviet troops in Berlin.

No, if you ever had contact to Germans you will realize how much they hate the nazis and their past.

In fact many Germans were simply too afraid to raise their voices against the evil and disgusting nazi ideology or were simply fooled into it.

Tens of thousands of Germans were persecuted by the nazis for standing up against them.

What else can the Germans say, "we will avenge WW2 defeat"? They are a country of defeated people and it feels sad to see them fall so low.

IDK know what your problems are, but they dont feel like that and have no reason for it.

They are sad that their ancestors fell for a racist braindead maniac who tricked them with false hopes and lies and who followed him to their utter destruction, leaving tens of millions of death behind.

Todays Germany is a stable, tolerant, prosperous and democratic nation that has learned from history... unlike other idiots who still go nuts about mass murderers, maniacs and false heroes like Hitler or Stalin.

Would you rather have Hitler advance from Europe to the rest of the world and put everyone else in gas chambers? Use your brain before uttering nonsense. You feel sad? What are they to you? Relatives? You should feel happy.

You cannot blame his brain, but those who educated him... typical South Asian way of moronic history:

Hitler was tough, he was stronk, he was an economic genius, he was a military genius, he was the one who gave us independence, he loved us ... blah blah blah... You will hear BS like that on a regular basis.
 
No, if you ever had contact to Germans you will realize how much they hate the nazis and their past.

In fact many Germans were simply too afraid to raise their voices against the evil and disgusting nazi ideology or were simply fooled into it.

Tens of thousands of Germans were persecuted by the nazis for standing up against them.



IDK know what your problems are, but they dont feel like that and have no reason for it.

They are sad that their ancestors fell for a racist braindead maniac who tricked them with false hopes and lies and who followed him to their utter destruction, leaving tens of millions of death behind.

Todays Germany is a stable, tolerant, prosperous and democratic nation that has learned from history... unlike other idiots who still go nuts about mass murderers, maniacs and false heroes like Hitler or Stalin.



You cannot blame his brain, but those who educated him... typical South Asian way of moronic history:

Hitler was tough, he was stronk, he was an economic genius, he was a military genius, he was the one who gave us independence, he loved us ... blah blah blah... You will hear BS like that on a regular basis.

Well, if only these toddlers knew what a heinous person Hitler was. I know that in some South Asian quarters Hitler is glorified. All these people need to know is that they qualified for Hitlers gas chambers... Hitler's ideology was evil. His anger wasn't only aimed at Jews. His anger and wrath was aimed at anyone who didn't look like him or his people.

Yes, they should have followed Japan's post war instance. @flamer84

Bro, Germany is fine. In fact, Germany is a role model in many ways. Especially for a country like Pakistan. Just look at their economy and industries. After the war the Germans have prospered like never before. They don't have any immediate threat in their surrounding. Germany has rebuild itself to a European superpower. They don't need to fight anyone. Fighting is madness. Feeding, educating and empowering the people should be the primary goal of any nation.
 
Well, if only these toddlers knew what a heinous person Hitler was. I know that in some South Asian quarters Hitler is glorified. All these people need to know is that they qualified for Hitlers gas chambers... Hitler's ideology was evil. His anger wasn't only aimed at Jews. His anger and wrath was aimed at anyone who didn't look like him or his people.

He had no problem killing any German political opposition as well.....
 
If the Allies were only interested in defeating the Nazis they would have worked with the German Generals who were ready to topple Hitler and his Nazi henchmen in exchange for an alliance against the Soviets.But they wanted to demolish Germany to the core and occupy it and instill in them this defeatist mentality we see today.

In the end one can condemn the Nazi atrocities without celebrating the fact that your cities were turned to ashes.
 
If the Allies were only interested in defeating the Nazis they would have worked with the German Generals who were ready to topple Hitler and his Nazi henchmen in exchange for an alliance against the Soviets.But they wanted to demolish Germany to the core and occupy it and instill in them this defeatist mentality we see today.

In the end one can condemn the Nazi atrocities without celebrating the fact that your cities were turned to ashes.

In the end, history proved them right... Germany is a stable, productive, prosperous, innovative, helpful and peaceful member of the world community.
 
Germany dictates over entire europe with an iron hand. Has one of most powerful economies in the world and highest living standards. So i dont get the intention of this retarded topic.

Beside that i can assure you that 99% of germans give a shit about WW II, Holocaust and all this bullshit. Holocaust jokes are quite common.
 
But its illegal to deny Holocaust isn't it?




just one of the jokes commonly told on school yards and and private parties.
 
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Cruel joke man. But its still illegal to deny holocaust.
 
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