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you seem a bit stupid, the pak army has been saying for the last decade that the terrorists take the bodies of there dead from the battlefield they told A CNN corespondent this, its funny how after all the reports of bombings by the PAF not a single body of a terrorist can be produced but on the contrary several media outlets have shown the collateral damage by the army. showing the atleast a few dead bodies isn't a propaganda tool when the general public is against them?

Why wasnt cunt bin laden shown with his head blown off? Do not wanna give fodder to TTP sympathizers, and the human right crybabies.

Yeah few videos did pop up of Taliban being treated like what they were back in 07-09. Remember how people felt? Plus standing armies do not post picture of dead combatants. Though i did see a few burnt out blackened charred bodies recently from BDA sorties. Very calming. Shame the public wont get to see it.
 
Crime spree helps Pakistani Taliban squirrel away cash before raids begin

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A Pakistani soldier stands in front of closed shops during a military operation against Taliban militants in the town of Miranshah in North Waziristan July 9, 2014.

PESHAWAR: In the months before Pakistan jets began pounding Taliban hideouts in the lawless border region near Afghanistan, militants were busily conducting an unprecedented wave of kidnapping and extortion, stockpiling cash for the fight ahead.

Businessmen in some areas say extortion increased five-fold before the long-awaited military offensive began in the frontier region of North Waziristan on June 15. Militant-related kidnappings also spiked in the commercial capital, Karachi.

The crime wave means that, even if the military seizes control of remote and mountainous North Waziristan, the government still faces a well-armed and well-financed insurgency with roots dug deeply into Pakistan's big cities.

Their reach and their ability to carry out high-profile attacks was chillingly demonstrated by the June 8 assault on Karachi airport, which killed 34 people. Competition over money also helped fuel deadly intra-Taliban clashes earlier this year.

“They will use this money for fighting. For fighting the government, for fighting each other,” said Saifullah Mehsud of the Fata Research Centre, an Islamabad-based think tank that works in Pakistan's Federally Administered Tribal Areas.

“This is a well-developed war economy.” The crime wave also coincided with the collapse of sporadic peace talks between the Pakistani government and militants that had been pushed by Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, an end that was hastened by the attack on Karachi airport.

Thomas Sanderson, a senior fellow at the Washington-based Center for Strategic and International Studies, believes the violence and extortion is likely to continue, in part because so many Taliban leaders have been killed in drone strikes.

“Militants who replaced dead commanders need to mount spectacular attacks to prove their leadership,” he said, adding that they also needed “to squeeze the locals” for cash.

Somewhat surprisingly, the crime wave even seems to have had an impact on the Pakistani Taliban itself. In May, a faction broke away from the main group, accusing it of having become “a band of paid killers involved in unIslamic activities” like robberies, extortion and kidnapping.

“This is an emergency”
In Peshawar, a traffic-choked northern provincial capital, extortionists have targeted wealthy families using the same bomb-making techniques as the Taliban, said Shafqat Malik, head of the Peshawar bomb squad.

Before the offensive began, about two or three residents found small bombs outside their homes or businesses daily, he said, something very rare before peace talks began in February.

The bombers usually asked for between $50,000-$200,000, he said, and threatened a bigger attack if they were not paid. It was unclear how many paid.

Extortion demands in the city were up 500 per cent since the start of the year, said Zahid Ullah Shinwari, the head of the Peshawar Chamber of Commerce.

At a recent meeting, dozens of angry traders complained of multiplying demands. One 80-year-old man who refused to pay was shot outside his home, Shinwari said.

Another wealthy factory owner who refused to pay installed CCTV, trenches and barbed wire around his factory and hired 70 armed security guards, he said.

Read more: Terror group sees Islamabad as a lucrative city for extortions

“No one will invest here. Everyone is letting their equipment go obsolete and moving their families out,” Shinwari said angrily. “This is an emergency. It is a crisis.” Most threats are not reported to the police, but even so, officers in several districts said they had seen a rise in complaints. Businessmen say the threats are forcing some of them to shut up shop.

“So many different people are demanding money that I have to move my business, because if you pay one, tomorrow another one will call,” said one shop owner, who asked not to be identified.

“How can we run our business in such a situation?” Businessmen in other Pakistani cities also said extortion had rocketed while the government pursued peace talks although many, including Shinwari, said it had eased off since the offensive began and militants went into hiding.

In the western city of Dera Ismail Khan, businessmen complained that they had become accustomed to paying off just one group.

However, when rival Taliban commanders began fighting in April, more came calling, demanding money and offering protection from rivals.

One man said his cousin refused to pay but had to move after two grenade attacks on his home. Another man, a doctor, said criminals had become so brazen they were asking for ransoms without even bothering to kidnap anyone first.

“They are calling me from time to time, and saying if I don't pay they will kidnap my kids or kill me,” he said.

Pakistan does not publish national kidnap statistics but anecdotal evidence suggests few cases are reported to the police, who are largely seen as corrupt and ineffective.

While the army seems well-prepared for the offensive, experts say the government appears to have no parallel strategy to counter the booming criminality that fuels militancy.

Police say one their biggest problems - among many - is a law placing swaths of the area near the Afghan border off-limits to police and the courts.

Consequently the Fata became a safe haven for criminals and militants. Most ransom drops and kidnap releases happen there, they say.

“They should either make Fata part of Pakistan or cut it off,” said one frustrated senior police official. “This law gives the militants a perfect hideout.”

Crime spree helps Pakistani Taliban squirrel away cash before raids begin - Pakistan - DAWN.COM
 
So you create a nick just to do propaganda against Pak army.

Don't do it.

Why does all truth have to be "propaganda"? When you can't answer someone logicially you call it propaganda. Many media outlets even questioned Pak Army's claim of killing hundreds of "terrorists" everyday and showing No proof whatsoever.
 
you seem a bit stupid, the pak army has been saying for the last decade that the terrorists take the bodies of there dead from the battlefield they told A CNN corespondent this, its funny how after all the reports of bombings by the PAF not a single body of a terrorist can be produced but on the contrary several media outlets have shown the collateral damage by the army. showing the atleast a few dead bodies isn't a propaganda tool when the general public is against them?

In another thread some images have already been posted, I am not sure which sadistic part of the planet you belong from but I don't take pleasure from seeing dead mangled bodies. I just want to know they are dead that's all.
 
spoke to someone who's men are deployed around Bannu looking after the IDPs and seeking out Taliban cross dressers.

he promised "good" pictures.. we will see. I requested interview as well but he can be ordered to move his men into the fight any day.

So there is Saudi currency along with Afghan currency.

Rogue sheikhs providing funding?
means nothing really,
they can have US dollars or even Indian currency but that wont prove much. In Afghanistan , Indian currency is used and is sometimes brought back by BLA terrorists but thats no proof. its just a convenient way to pay for the goods and services and currencies are used which ever are acceptable by the terrorists and crime underworld

Why does all truth have to be "propaganda"? When you can't answer someone logicially you call it propaganda. Many media outlets even questioned Pak Army's claim of killing hundreds of "terrorists" everyday and showing No proof whatsoever.
thats very cute and innocent request you got there

same questions were asked about Sawat operation and the journalists were shown the videos and pictures to their heart content.
the pictures will show up for sure but you or your friends can always claim to be innocent Pashtons or innocent muslims killed by Punjabi army.

if you are in denial then please... go ahead and visit that place. you will find plenty of Taliban DNA spread all over the place.
 
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Corps Commanders Conference: Proposed Operation in NWA Discussed
June 7, 2012
The Corps Commanders Conference decided to fortify the security of Pak Afghan border and showed apprehensions over increasing miscreants’ attacks on army and civilians from a cross border. The Chief of Army Staff, General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani chaired the meeting , which took review of the proposed operation in North Waziristan Agency, however no final decision was taken. Corps Commander Peshawar Lt.Gen. Khalid Rabbani gave the briefing about security situation at the western border as well as North and South Waziristan. The Corps Commanders also talked about the missing persons as they were briefed on the issue by the ISI.

took the govt. and army 2 years to move against the militants.....very sad.
 
Why wasnt cunt bin laden shown with his head blown off? Do not wanna give fodder to TTP sympathizers, and the human right crybabies.

Yeah few videos did pop up of Taliban being treated like what they were back in 07-09. Remember how people felt? Plus standing armies do not post picture of dead combatants. Though i did see a few burnt out blackened charred bodies recently from BDA sorties. Very calming. Shame the public wont get to see it.
for example this one

the Fouji says

"Chul oay.. Behnchod... Mer giya Merdood .. na fatiha na darood"
 

Ask any Nato commander in Afghanistan what is the biggest hurdle to defeating the Taliban insurgency, and there is only ever one answer: the safe havens in Pakistan from where militants can launch strikes in safety.
For years the US has noisily put pressure on Pakistan to clean up its act. All to no effect.
Then, realising that public rebukes were getting it nowhere, Washington went quiet, preferring to put its message across quietly in private.

Last month Pakistan acted, launching hundreds of airstrikes on targets in North Waziristan, home to the Haqqani network – considered the most deadly of Afghanistan's insurgent groups – as well as Pakistani terrorists intent on bringing down the government in Islamabad, sectarian outfits and groups with an eye on Kashmir. Ground troops have followed, sweeping through the area.
The question is: will it work?

American diplomats are not getting carried away. They will wait to see what names turn up on the death roll and whether the offensive stems the flow of fighters and big vehicle-borne bombs from Pakistan. (Incidentally, I now know that a Haqqani truck bomb was the target of the CIA's first drone strike this year, in June, as it trundled towards the border.)

Already, the Pakistani military has got itself in a muddle over whether they are even targeting the Haqqanis – a long-standing proxy – awkwardly talking around the subject when quizzed.
And, this week, in North Waziristan's main town of Miranshah, they gave the clearest sign yet that the big fish escaped before the operation started. Maj Gen Zafarullah Khan, who is responsible for the town, said:
It’s not possible to create water-tight or airtight compartment where an individual cannot escape. Given the context of the terrain, the context of who they are, it will be wrong on my part to say that they did not escape, yes they did.


They had smelled that the operation is about to be launched. The talks had failed, the build-up for the operation had already begun and they could see that, they could sense and smell and, therefore, the leadership was not here, the leadership abandoned place.

Was it an unguarded moment? Or is the military lining up its excuses and blaming the government for weeks of peace talks that never went anywhere?
 
They had smelled that the operation is about to be launched. The talks had failed, the build-up for the operation had already begun and they could see that, they could sense and smell and, therefore, the leadership was not here, the leadership abandoned place.
Was it an unguarded moment? Or is the military lining up its excuses and blaming the government for weeks of peace talks that never went anywhere?

You guys will never change. The genetic hate factor and propaganda kicks in on anything Pakistan does, good or bad. This post of yours is a prime example of it. I don't know how you guys sleep at night without having diarrhea about Pakistan on something.

1) I don't think the US or the NATO have ever asked Pakistan to "catch all the leaders". What has been asked for and what has become very obvious for Pakistan's own internal security is to eliminate the sanctuaries of these terrorists and destroy them, clear out the area and enforce the law there.
2) Catch, Kill as many as they can, put control and military in place permanently so that any future training camps can't be built and that ongoing support is provided to keep the area clean for the future.

3) Pakistan's main concern after so many terrorist attacks and investigations which have concluded that through Tajikistan and Afghanistan, India is sending terrorists into Pakistan resulting in many of these attacks. There are over 40 or 50 " Indian cultural centers" along the border with Afghanistan with the primary target to find, train send in terrorist into Pakistan. An area where there is not many people and its mountainous as hell, with modern civilization almost limited, you have so many "cultural centers"? How many "Indian Cultural Centers" exist in the US or the UK or France or Australia where there is a huge Indian population? Just a FEW by country. Here, a country with no civilization almost and flat land and mountaisn with little population has 50 cultural centers, plus the terrorist training center in Takistan right by the airport.....

So the Pakistanis needed the area cleaned up. I think its a good move and they should've listened to the US back in 2002 to do this operation. It would've saved a lot of lives. But still, a step in the right direction.

Afghanistan is a mess and it'll be a mess for the next many years, it's been a mess since the 70's and you can't just fix it in a few years. The US is leaving and the northern areas are filled with terrorist heavens. So main issue is to clean it up. Not find the right leaders and all. There are tunnels that these Talibastards used to use and travel. You can't magically destroy them, you have to find them first and that is a house to house search.

Before you open such stup*id threads, make sure you understand the complexity, objectives, your OWN involvement and the strategic situation. Otherwise, you are wasting a bunch of people's time who are reading crap like this.
 
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You guys will never change. The genetic hate factor and propaganda kicks in on anything Pakistan does, good or bad. This post of yours is a prime example of it. I don't know how you guys sleep at night without having diarrhea about Pakistan on something.

1) I don't think the US or the NATO have ever asked Pakistan to "catch all the leaders". What has been asked for and what has become very obvious for Pakistan's own internal security is to eliminate the sanctuaries of the terrorists and destroy them, clear out the area and enforce the law there.
2) Catch, Kill as many as they can, put control and military in place permanently so that any future training camps can't be build and that ongoing support is provided to keep the area clean for the future.

3) Pakistan's main concern after so many terrorist attacks and investigations which have concluded that through Tajikistan an Afghanistan, India is sending terrorists into Pakistan resulting in many of these attacks. There are over 40 or 50 " Indian cultural centers" along the border with Afghanistan with the primary target to find, train send in terrorist into Pakistan. An area where there is not many people and its mountainous as hell, with modern civilization almost limited, you have so many "cultural centers"? How many "Indian Cultural Centers" exist in the US or the UK or France or Australia where there is a huge Indian population? Just a FEW by country. Here, a country with no civilization almost and flat land and mountaisn with little population has 50 cultural centers, plus the terrorist training center in Takistan right by the airport.....

So the Pakistanis needed the area cleaned up. I think its a good move and they should've listened to the US back in 2002 to do this operation. It would've saved up a lot of lives. But still, a step in the right direction.

Afghanistan is a mess and it'll be a mess for the next many years, it's been a mess since the 70's and you can't just fix it in a few years. The US is leaving and the northern areas are a terrorist heaven. So main issue is to clean it up. Not find the right leaders and all. There are tunnels that these Talibastards used to use. You can't magically destroy them, you have to find them first and that is a house to house search.

Before you open such stup*id threads, make sure you understand the complexity, objectives, your OWN involvement and the strategic situation. Otherwise, you are wasting a bunch of people's time who are reading crap.


When i was young in the late 60's on my way to peshawar with dad,I still remember a old chap in the coach loudly said "For every indian,Pakistan/Pakistanis are like Bhagwan,they are so much obsessed with Pakistan that one day they will rename there religion to Pakistiusm"

Its been more than half a century and believe me i am forced to believe that he was very much right.

your right,it is the genetic factor that makes indian not only obsessed about Pakistan but they can't see a day when Pakistan is growing and becoming stable
 
You guys will never change. The genetic hate factor and propaganda kicks in on anything Pakistan does, good or bad. This post of yours is a prime example of it. I don't know how you guys sleep at night without having diarrhea about Pakistan on something.

1) I don't think the US or the NATO have ever asked Pakistan to "catch all the leaders". What has been asked for and what has become very obvious for Pakistan's own internal security is to eliminate the sanctuaries of the terrorists and destroy them, clear out the area and enforce the law there.
2) Catch, Kill as many as they can, put control and military in place permanently so that any future training camps can't be build and that ongoing support is provided to keep the area clean for the future.

3) Pakistan's main concern after so many terrorist attacks and investigations which have concluded that through Tajikistan an Afghanistan, India is sending terrorists into Pakistan resulting in many of these attacks. There are over 40 or 50 " Indian cultural centers" along the border with Afghanistan with the primary target to find, train send in terrorist into Pakistan. An area where there is not many people and its mountainous as hell, with modern civilization almost limited, you have so many "cultural centers"? How many "Indian Cultural Centers" exist in the US or the UK or France or Australia where there is a huge Indian population? Just a FEW by country. Here, a country with no civilization almost and flat land and mountaisn with little population has 50 cultural centers, plus the terrorist training center in Takistan right by the airport.....

So the Pakistanis needed the area cleaned up. I think its a good move and they should've listened to the US back in 2002 to do this operation. It would've saved up a lot of lives. But still, a step in the right direction.

Afghanistan is a mess and it'll be a mess for the next many years, it's been a mess since the 70's and you can't just fix it in a few years. The US is leaving and the northern areas are a terrorist heaven. So main issue is to clean it up. Not find the right leaders and all. There are tunnels that these Talibastards used to use. You can't magically destroy them, you have to find them first and that is a house to house search.

Before you open such stup*id threads, make sure you understand the complexity, objectives, your OWN involvement and the strategic situation. Otherwise, you are wasting a bunch of people's time who are reading crap.
Relax,It's a news report.The stupid thread was opened by a Pakistani (@Berut) and the news report was written by a Brit.
 

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