Current Tensions in Xinjiang-China
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Now let us suppose
suppose
That this had happened in India.
Let us say Hyderabad, Would Pakistan have treated it as an internal issue?
Before you say yes .......Did it treat Godhra as India's Internal issue?
Its an honest question.
If Pakistani people keep quite now then they will be called hypo crates for ever.
The rest is up to you !
suppose
That this had happened in India.
Let us say Hyderabad, Would Pakistan have treated it as an internal issue?
Before you say yes .......Did it treat Godhra as India's Internal issue?
Its an honest question.
If Pakistani people keep quite now then they will be called hypo crates for ever.
The rest is up to you !
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BEIJING — Chinese authorities are loosening restrictions on a section of its 20-million Muslim minority in an effort to win hearts in the Middle East, where it seeks to strengthen trade and oil ties.
"When I graduated from high school, in 1986, the situation was very difficult," a woman running an Islamic girls school in Tongxin, a Hui Muslim-majority county in Ningxia, told Reuters.
"Now the religious policies are more relaxed. We can go ahead without fear," she added, refusing to be named.
Hui Muslims are estimated at nearly 10 million of China's sizable Muslim minority of 20 millions.
With a heritage traced back to the Middle East and Central Asia, Hui Muslims are enjoying more religious freedom in the atheist country.
Mosques devastated in the frenzy of the Cultural Revolution in Tongxin have been rebuilt with surprising splendor for one of the country's poorest regions.
More Chinese Muslims are fulfilling their dreams of learning about their faith as the government relaxes controls over Islam.
Hai, a 25-year-old Hui Muslim, goes to the mosque in Beijing every day to pray as he did growing up in the northwestern Chinese region of Ningxia.
"Not everyone was like that but my family was, and now more and more people are. Our religion is developing very quickly," said Hai, who declined to give his full name.
According to official data, China has 20 million Muslims, most of them are concentrated in Xinjiang, Ningxia, Gansu, and Qinghai regions and provinces.
Smaller Muslim communities can also be found throughout interior China.
Islam came to China via Muslim businessman during the era of the Tang Dynasty.
There have also been reports of companions of the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) coming to China.
Official Leniency
"The relationship with the Muslim Hui has always been a stake of international diplomacy, part of a charm offensive by China," said Bequelin.
Hui Muslims are also allowed to building schools in their inhabited areas.
"The national policies are opening up and as long as you don't go against the country's religious policies and regulations, you can freely progress," said the Muslim woman who has 68 students in her school.
Most of her students wear hijab, although it is rare to see women wearing the Islamic headdress in the area.
Official leniency vis-à-vis Hui Muslims is seen as a gesture for the community in return for shying away from any political engagement.
"They're banking on the fact that China's Muslims are aware of the limits and the rules and they know how to play the game," said Dru Gladney, an expert at Pomona College in California.
For now, it's a compromise that seems to be working.
This official stance contradicts the crackdown on Muslim Uighurs, who live mainly in the northwestern region of Xinjiang.
International human rights organizations have chided the Chinese government in several reports for its poor human rights record in predominantly Muslim regions, particularly Xinjiang.
Human Rights Watch has said in a recent report that Chinese policy in Xinjiang "denies Uighurs religious freedom, and by extension freedom of association, assembly, and expression."
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"When I graduated from high school, in 1986, the situation was very difficult," a woman running an Islamic girls school in Tongxin, a Hui Muslim-majority county in Ningxia, told Reuters.
"Now the religious policies are more relaxed. We can go ahead without fear," she added, refusing to be named.
Hui Muslims are estimated at nearly 10 million of China's sizable Muslim minority of 20 millions.
With a heritage traced back to the Middle East and Central Asia, Hui Muslims are enjoying more religious freedom in the atheist country.
Mosques devastated in the frenzy of the Cultural Revolution in Tongxin have been rebuilt with surprising splendor for one of the country's poorest regions.
More Chinese Muslims are fulfilling their dreams of learning about their faith as the government relaxes controls over Islam.
Hai, a 25-year-old Hui Muslim, goes to the mosque in Beijing every day to pray as he did growing up in the northwestern Chinese region of Ningxia.
"Not everyone was like that but my family was, and now more and more people are. Our religion is developing very quickly," said Hai, who declined to give his full name.
According to official data, China has 20 million Muslims, most of them are concentrated in Xinjiang, Ningxia, Gansu, and Qinghai regions and provinces.
Smaller Muslim communities can also be found throughout interior China.
Islam came to China via Muslim businessman during the era of the Tang Dynasty.
There have also been reports of companions of the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) coming to China.
Official Leniency
"The relationship with the Muslim Hui has always been a stake of international diplomacy, part of a charm offensive by China," said Bequelin.
Hui Muslims are also allowed to building schools in their inhabited areas.
"The national policies are opening up and as long as you don't go against the country's religious policies and regulations, you can freely progress," said the Muslim woman who has 68 students in her school.
Most of her students wear hijab, although it is rare to see women wearing the Islamic headdress in the area.
Official leniency vis-à-vis Hui Muslims is seen as a gesture for the community in return for shying away from any political engagement.
"They're banking on the fact that China's Muslims are aware of the limits and the rules and they know how to play the game," said Dru Gladney, an expert at Pomona College in California.
For now, it's a compromise that seems to be working.
This official stance contradicts the crackdown on Muslim Uighurs, who live mainly in the northwestern region of Xinjiang.
International human rights organizations have chided the Chinese government in several reports for its poor human rights record in predominantly Muslim regions, particularly Xinjiang.
Human Rights Watch has said in a recent report that Chinese policy in Xinjiang "denies Uighurs religious freedom, and by extension freedom of association, assembly, and expression."
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So al jazeera and all the other news groups in china reporting live are part of a cover up with the chinese govt?
and dont give me kashmir bullshyt here. - i dont want to know your two face stand on kashmir - because its not Kashmir thread.
but then again your just cant get it .
Off course you dont want to compare the mass murder and rape in kashmir to a riot over a couple of days in one chinese muslim city where more non muslim where killed then muslims.
You indians want to bring islam into now when its the chimese and try to make it out as if its some sort of anti muslim genocide that is taking place in china.......why not use the same anology when it comes to hindu india killing muslims in india......compare the number and hindu india beats china at least at one thing.
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A wound has been made , it will ( not be allowed to ) heal.
It may be ironical that those behind the wound may well be a combination of non state actors from those whom China has helped most & those whose money is invested in China.
The scurge of religious fundamentalism now has reached China too. This may well be among the 1st of the proverbial ' 1000 Cuts" . Only this time the " Brutus" is closer home. If not controlled, it may turn into a soft underbelly for China.
Meanwhile, the Islamic Nations exercise selective amnesia.
It may be ironical that those behind the wound may well be a combination of non state actors from those whom China has helped most & those whose money is invested in China.
The scurge of religious fundamentalism now has reached China too. This may well be among the 1st of the proverbial ' 1000 Cuts" . Only this time the " Brutus" is closer home. If not controlled, it may turn into a soft underbelly for China.
Meanwhile, the Islamic Nations exercise selective amnesia.
China might be a good friend to the Pakistani government, but that should'nt stop the average pakistani from expressing concern about this issue as a human if not as a muslim.
China must allow full religious and ethnic freedom if it wants to improve inter-ethnic and inter-religious harmony among its population. And give political rights to Uighurs, Tibetans e.t.c.
The saying of Hazarat Umar (RAH) come to mind: " The rule of non-muslims may last for long, but the rule of zulm (oppression) will be finished " . (Even if the the rule is of the muslims)
China must allow full religious and ethnic freedom if it wants to improve inter-ethnic and inter-religious harmony among its population. And give political rights to Uighurs, Tibetans e.t.c.
The saying of Hazarat Umar (RAH) come to mind: " The rule of non-muslims may last for long, but the rule of zulm (oppression) will be finished " . (Even if the the rule is of the muslims)
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Aimarraul,
No Indian can be happy at the pain of another nation simply coz any one who has suffered knows the pain others feel.
However, what is visible ( & I am sure it is visible to those in Bejing too) is the attempt to weaken a nation by injecting in it the AIDS like virus of religious fundamentalism which will follow soon behind whats happening now to the W part of China .
And.. nothing spreads faster than percieved religious persecution.
Chinese are not in pain, the are scared shitless.
This is the first time since Tibet uprisings that the foreign hand has hinted it's presence in one of the largest Chinese provinces. The recent offer of Pakistani mediation of US-Taliban dialogue shows the intensity of shock Sino-Pak experienced. hay had no contingency plan for a high intensity conflict involving US forces inside Pakistan coupled with an unrest in Xinjiang (it is the Sino-Pak link).
This is the first time since Tibet uprisings that the foreign hand has hinted it's presence in one of the largest Chinese provinces. The recent offer of Pakistani mediation of US-Taliban dialogue shows the intensity of shock Sino-Pak experienced. hay had no contingency plan for a high intensity conflict involving US forces inside Pakistan coupled with an unrest in Xinjiang (it is the Sino-Pak link).
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it's india's best chance if you have any "forward policy",we will let you know what scare is.you are right ,we are scared shitless,please take your war dignity back,hurry up
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ohhh well MUSLIMS all around the world are again feeling helpless & the CHINESE GOVERNMENT is following in the foot steps of the rest of the world!!!
as for INDIA being happy well...HELLLL YAA!! i mean indian government dream...uprising in PAKISTAN & CHINA....the only threats to INDIA everyone else like bhuttan,nepal & srilanka were never a threat to INDIA!!
so yes india is having a ball....let's talk about something new...
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Okay. People this thread is a mess and a lot of you are to blame. Let me lay down the rules nice and simple. Those who can't follow them, don't post or you're in trouble.
This is NOT a Kashmir thread. But I'm going to state a fact, the atrocities in Kashmir (I'm referring to the ones by Indian security forces or Indian-backed paramilitaries) are entirely in a different league from what has happened in China over these last few days. There is NO comparison in terms of the sheer volume of human abuse and injustice. Also there is a technicality involved, Kashmir is an internationally recognized Disputed Territory much like parts of Palestine therefore what happened/happens there is of concern to the world and not India's internal matter no matter how much they pretend it is so. Secondly, in integral Indian Territory there have been atrocities against Muslims no doubt, and Pakistani Muslims have felt for them because of their close cultural linkages. However the Pakistan has never officially sought to confront or penalize India over its failures to act against those responsible because that is India’s internal matter. On the other hand India HAS tried to meddle in matters related to Pakistan’s Sikh/Hindu population as recently as a few months ago when the Taliban were supposedly on the rise, and the Indians had to be officially snubbed.
Therefore at best this interference has been a two sided thing given our common past. However to insist that its only Pakistanis who’ve been screaming about Indian Muslims to the world is BS. If an Indian insists on branding Pakistan as a whole a ‘hypocrite’ state based on this crappy logic then your post will be deleted. You obviously have issues against Pakistan, but learn to deal with them without indulging in these rants I’ve seen.
This issue in Xinjiang is ethnic and economic in nature as far as I can tell. But if you wish to discuss Muslim reaction (or lack of) in regards to this issue then do so with respect, integrity and don’t stereotype. Back your arguments with facts and particular references. But the similarities been Xinjiang and Kashmir are not up for debate. We can talk about India has a nation and how its system does or does not work out for Muslims in contrast to China. (But if someone posts another ‘Famous Muslims in India’ list to ‘prove’ that the whole Muslim population is perfectly settled and wealthy and represented then I’ll delete it).
No Personal attacks. No rants against Pakistan. And no more linking of Xinjiang with Kashmir. Keep it all civil or this thread will be closed.
This is NOT a Kashmir thread. But I'm going to state a fact, the atrocities in Kashmir (I'm referring to the ones by Indian security forces or Indian-backed paramilitaries) are entirely in a different league from what has happened in China over these last few days. There is NO comparison in terms of the sheer volume of human abuse and injustice. Also there is a technicality involved, Kashmir is an internationally recognized Disputed Territory much like parts of Palestine therefore what happened/happens there is of concern to the world and not India's internal matter no matter how much they pretend it is so. Secondly, in integral Indian Territory there have been atrocities against Muslims no doubt, and Pakistani Muslims have felt for them because of their close cultural linkages. However the Pakistan has never officially sought to confront or penalize India over its failures to act against those responsible because that is India’s internal matter. On the other hand India HAS tried to meddle in matters related to Pakistan’s Sikh/Hindu population as recently as a few months ago when the Taliban were supposedly on the rise, and the Indians had to be officially snubbed.
Therefore at best this interference has been a two sided thing given our common past. However to insist that its only Pakistanis who’ve been screaming about Indian Muslims to the world is BS. If an Indian insists on branding Pakistan as a whole a ‘hypocrite’ state based on this crappy logic then your post will be deleted. You obviously have issues against Pakistan, but learn to deal with them without indulging in these rants I’ve seen.
This issue in Xinjiang is ethnic and economic in nature as far as I can tell. But if you wish to discuss Muslim reaction (or lack of) in regards to this issue then do so with respect, integrity and don’t stereotype. Back your arguments with facts and particular references. But the similarities been Xinjiang and Kashmir are not up for debate. We can talk about India has a nation and how its system does or does not work out for Muslims in contrast to China. (But if someone posts another ‘Famous Muslims in India’ list to ‘prove’ that the whole Muslim population is perfectly settled and wealthy and represented then I’ll delete it).
No Personal attacks. No rants against Pakistan. And no more linking of Xinjiang with Kashmir. Keep it all civil or this thread will be closed.
Don't try to compare the Chinese human farm to any other countries.
Unlike China where gvt. is importing Hans in large numbers to skew the natural demographics is exactly opposite of India's policies in Kashmir. Nobody from other state can make permanent residence inside Kashmir under the Indian constitution. India wants a Kashmir of the Kashmiris but inside the framework of Indian constitution. Chinese Hans are occupying Xinjiang with their civilian invasion. I know Xinjiang is very developed as compared to Kashmir, BUT I also know that all those big industries, apartments and roads are serving the Hans, not the local Uighurs. Uighurs hardly get any jobs in thier own motherland and their rights are trampled by the Hans. Chinese = Hans. I don't think any other ethenic group gets any reasonable share of China's economic development. And that's the truth in Tibet too...where Tibetans can't even worship and Hans harvest their natural resources and lands.
AND..
Massacre in an ethnic conflict is N0T comparable to massacre as a state policy. In China the later is true.
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