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MQM's Taliban or Jinnah's Pakistan! Referendum: A Drama, Waste of Time OR??

Jinnah wanted a secular Pakistan. But how many want that? Do you? Most of you want Pakistan to become a purely Islamic state with Sharia law. You can't have secularism and the Sharia law co-existing, can you?

Now a Indian will tell me what Jannah wanted?

Common sense is not common, but just for your sack.. If Jannah wanted Secular Pakistan, then why he were opposing Gandhi? Who also wanted same? Why Jannah only used Muslims Seats for Political Ground?

O,..... Indian, does 2 National Theory, Resolution of Pakistan don't ring any bells for you? Don't you see Pakistani Flag where Major part is for Muslims, while just a small white strip for Other religions?

Lastly, Under Sharia Law every Religion has the right to practice or follow his/her religion. So Under Shariah Secularism can live.
 
Now a Indian will tell me what Jannah wanted?

Common sense is not common, but just for your sack.. If Jannah wanted Secular Pakistan, then why he were opposing Gandhi? Who also wanted same? Why Jannah only used Muslims Seats for Political Ground?

O,..... Indian, does 2 National Theory, Resolution of Pakistan don't ring any bells for you? Don't you see Pakistani Flag where Major part is for Muslims, while just a small white strip for Other religions?

Lastly, Under Sharia Law every Religion has the right to practice or follow his/her religion. So Under Shariah Secularism can live.

& we dont want a shariah law pakistan described by talibans!
 
Even I dont believe Jinnah wanted a secular state atleast not in the leading years to Partition where he did not loose one chance to demonstrate his Islamiat. Most the of "Jinnah-wanted-Pakistan-to-be-a-secular" is a humbug propagated by two groups : certain Pakistanis who cant defend against the idealogical stance of the hardliners and hence invoke the name of Jinnah in order to win over them. A noble ideal IMO. And ofcourse the Jinnah worshippers who want to protect their deity from being slandered for his Islamiat because of the general prevailing antipathy towards Islamism and hence attempt to recast him as a secularist.
 
hamaray pas quran aur shriat hay secular gand nahe cahiey



WE WANT SHRIA LAW ACCORDING TO TRUE TEACHINGS OF ISLAM
then come as a political party , to the nation if the nation give you the mandate , so be it!
but if you think taliban is islam , thn be ready for highway to hell?
 
Look, how the question is placed, Taliban Vs Jinnah
to which the obvious answer ( comparatively ) is jinnah.

Thus MQM can use this to sway public opinion to it's favor, and further polarizing of society as it is.

MQM has neither the vision OR the means to implement anything even close to Jinnah's Pakistan, and if historical record is to taken into account, MQM is capable of much the similar ideology as Taliban.

MQM has vision but then again, guys with vision, are done army operation :woot:
 
hamaray pas quran aur shriat hay secular gand nahe cahiey



WE WANT SHRIA LAW ACCORDING TO TRUE TEACHINGS OF ISLAM

Who will tell you these?
JUI, JUF, IJI, etc etc..
or mufti this or mufti that..
What guarantee do you have that those will be true teachings?
 
MQM is not an agent of change. It thrives in the status quo. By making loud statements against Taliban, it wants to get cheap popularity.

MQM should first look at the complete breakdown of Karachi law and order. Taliban could not imagine the proportion of damage MQM has done to Pakistan. Its in the government but does not want to take responsibility.

As for statements, I challenge Altaf hussain to come to Pakistan first if he is not a coward and then make such bold statements against Taliban. It will be really nice to see raw terror of Taliban colliding with street smart terror of MQM.

As for the referendum, I abstain from it. I dont want to participate in any activity initiated by MQM because it has blood on its hands of the innocent people of Karachi.





Pakistan’s ‘Malala moment’ has ‘passed’: NYT


http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-n...-2012/pakistan-s-malala-moment-has-passed-nyt
NEW YORK - Conspiracy-laden skepticism being spread in Pakistan about Malala Yousafzai, the girls’ rights activist, suggests that the country’s ‘Malala moment’, and the possibilities it briefly excited, has now passed, according to a news analysis published in The New York Times Saturday.
“In the immediate aftermath of the Oct 9 assault, some Pakistanis hoped it could set off a sea change in their society,” NYT correspondent Declan Walsh wrote from Islamabad. “For years, the country’s ability to resist Taliban militancy has been hamstrung by a broad ambiguity that undermined a national consensus against violence.
“Religious groups hesitated to challenge the Taliban for religious reasons. Politicians feared speaking out on safety grounds. And the military, which has a history of nurturing Islamists to fight its proxy wars in India or Afghanistan, equivocated by tacitly supporting selected militant outfits, known among militancy experts as the ‘good Taliban’.
“But after Ms Yousafzai was shot, heart-rending images of the wounded child bounced against coldblooded Taliban statements that the militants would shoot her again, if they had a chance. The country suddenly spoke with a unified, furious voice.”
According to the paper, people in Pakistan now have ‘mixed feelings’ about Malala.
Some people even think that the attack on Malala was nothing, but an ‘American publicity stunt’ to make their point against the Taliban, the paper said.
Several young in the country are ambivalent about the attack on Malala, and believe that people have ignored Aafia Siddiqui, a Pakistani woman convicted on charges of trying to kill American soldiers and FBI agents by a New York court in 2010 and sentenced to 86 years in prison, the paper added.
“Such conspiracy-laden skepticism about Ms Yousafzai, who was shot by a Taliban gunman inside her school bus, is only one strand of public opinion here; others have expressed unqualified anger at the attack,” Correspondent Walsh wrote.
“But it does suggest something dispiriting: that Pakistan’s ‘Malala moment’, and the possibilities it briefly excited, has passed.”
The dispatch said “Just two days before the attack, Imran Khan, the former cricket star whose political star has soared in the past year, had led a honking motorcade of supporters to the edge of the tribal belt, where they mounted a protest against CIA-directed drone strikes in the nearby mountains. They received largely favourable news media coverage.
“But after the shooting, Mr Khan came in for sharp criticism, partly because he favours negotiating with the Taliban instead of fighting them, and partly because he refused to condemn the militants in a television interview, citing safety concerns for his followers in the tribal belt”. ‘If today I start shouting slogans here against Taliban, who will save them?’ Khan asked.
Khan, for his part, is sticking to his guns. “Our liberals support military solution despite them being counterproductive,” he wrote in an e-mail. “Each military operation leads to more militancy and fanaticism.”
Commentators said the episode hurt Khan’s credibility. “There had been latent fears about his Taliban policies,” said Fahd Hussain, a television presenter. “This thing suddenly reminded people that he is not really clear on this subject.”
The Times said “A military operation, however, is exactly what was being speculated about early this week, when the country’s top generals held a secretive two-day meeting that stoked speculation they were planning a long-anticipated assault on the Taliban stronghold of North Waziristan — a major demand of the Obama administration.
“By then, however, the backlash against Ms Yousafzai had already started in earnest. The religious right attacked the wounded schoolgirl, circulating images on the Internet that showed her meeting senior American officials and implying that she was an American agent.
“Other politicians showed little conviction. With the exception of the Karachi-based Muttahida Qaumi Movement, no party organised mass street rallies against the Taliban — a stark contrast with the violent riots that seized the country weeks earlier in reaction to an American-made anti-Islam video,” the newspaper added.
In Parliament on Wednesday, a government motion in favour of a ‘military operation’ against the Taliban was blocked by the opposition, the paper said. Most commentators now say a military drive into North Waziristan is unlikely anytime soon, it said.
“Whatever window had been opened — for military action, or a new unity against the Taliban — now appears to have closed. “It was a golden moment,” said Fahd Hussain, the journalist. “But that’s what it was — a moment.”





why its just MQM telling us about talibans?
why our other political patriots can see the cutted throts of my army soilders, & cant speak a word against talibans?
 
Every Tom, Dick and Harry two bit politician claims to know what the 180 million Pakistanis want, so if we truly want to know what people really want, there should be a referendum, no harm in that.
However why does Altaf Hussein want a referendum? This is the 64K question.

In my opinion, he wants to change the image of his party from an ethnic Urdu speaker to a broad based pan Pakistan one. Asking for referendum is just a political gimmick towards this end. He knows damn well that this won’t happen.
 
Every Tom, Dick and Harry two bit politician claims to know what the 180 million Pakistanis want, so if we truly want to know what people really want, there should be a referendum, no harm in that.
However why does Altaf Hussein want a referendum? This is the 64K question.

In my opinion, he wants to change the image of his party from an ethnic Urdu speaker to a broad based pan Pakistan one. Asking for referendum is just a political gimmick towards this end. He knows damn well that this won’t happen.

I don't really like MQM or altaf hussian, but it seems they are the only ones who really wants to clear the confusion that talibans are innocent they are the gods warriors saving islam?
No other political party has came up yet with a clear approch & pakistan needs it now very much, if peoples of pakistan wants to be with talibans then we don't need to hve this democrazy , this army , this free media & all other westrn made luxries !
Or if we need to clean this talibani mess , all political parties should. Come up with some thing like MQM & altaf did!
Whtever might peoples think about them in todays pakistan they are the only hope of freedom from talibans togather with our army which is giving its blood to the blood greddy animal called Talibans!
Even though I don't like MQM but surly , I will suport them on this issue cause , I don't hve any choice left like Malala yousfzai?
Even politicly but still MQM has showen the bravry & courge against the enemy of pakistan.
 
then come as a political party , to the nation if the nation give you the mandate , so be it!
but if you think taliban is islam , thn be ready for highway to hell?
yes who ever thinks islam is the way is a taliban same as all liberals are us agents .nice one
by the way our constitution is islamic and no law can be made against islamic teachings Quran and sunnah
but there is matter of implementation as government donot do anything according to the constitution just corruption and loot mar
secular Pakistan will never happen
 
MQM is not an agent of change. It thrives in the status quo. By making loud statements against Taliban, it wants to get cheap popularity.

MQM should first look at the complete breakdown of Karachi law and order. Taliban could not imagine the proportion of damage MQM has done to Pakistan. Its in the government but does not want to take responsibility.

As for statements, I challenge Altaf hussain to come to Pakistan first if he is not a coward and then make such bold statements against Taliban. It will be really nice to see raw terror of Taliban colliding with street smart terror of MQM.

As for the referendum, I abstain from it. I dont want to participate in any activity initiated by MQM because it has blood on its hands of the innocent people of Karachi.

Don't you dare compare Karachi to what afghanistan has done to taliban, we are still one of the best cities in the world.
It's better than whatever hellhole you come from.
 
Who will tell you these?
JUI, JUF, IJI, etc etc..
or mufti this or mufti that..
What guarantee do you have that those will be true teachings?
TTP try to tell us the extremist view every day to justify their killings but do we buy that?No.we are not muftis but we know they are not right.no mufti or party can take us on a ride.
do these mqm,ppp,anp types can tell us how to spend our lives according to there wisdom hell they cannot manage their homes correctly.The Quran and Sunnah and Sahaba ikrams guidance is the way of life.if someone enforce the law vigorously people call it good governance and if someone tries to implement islamic law people call them extremist.
No matter what we Muslims do this islamophobic west and their media+our liberal media will call us terrorist if we try to implement islamic law.
do thay call every liberal and secular party a terrorist because liberal parties like mqm,ppp and anp are target killing?no
but when some agent x type TTP does terrorist activities they lable every islamic or right wing party like JI,JUI,PTI(they are not liberal as people think see Imrans interview with Malik on Dunya tv) etc as terrorist party and degrade islam

There are muftis like Mullana Tariq Jamil,Qari Israr(God rest his soul),Imran Nazar Hussain etc .further every mufti and alim of islam in the world and Pakistan are not under the parties like jui,ji etc control they can tell.

Ahmadinejad said in his speech in UN that "God Willing socialism got defeated and now its time for the destruction of capitalism"
As is evident from current scenario.They are responsible for there own destruction by interest based bank slavery but they will not go down like soviets they will bring destruction to the world
 
yes who ever thinks islam is the way is a taliban same as all liberals are us agents .nice one
by the way our constitution is islamic and no law can be made against islamic teachings Quran and sunnah
but there is matter of implementation as government donot do anything according to the constitution just corruption and loot mar
secular Pakistan will never happen
go get votes , come to power & implement what u want?
BTW this dam democrazy itself is a product of secularism!
but stop supporting talibans & terrorists!
i can gurntee you , pakistan will niether will be TALBANISTAN!
 

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