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One must understand that Indians are not a mean lot, who carry on their grudges for years like the chinese and their 100+ years of National Shame.

Indians have the goodness to forgive and forget and not be like little forked tongue snakes as some.

It is a different matter that one find it difficult to reconcile with Chinese communists and their running dogs and roader (Chinese phrase).

Apparently you can't hold on to a grudge at all against your masters as you were ruled by the British for 200 years and still love them.

As for communists in your opinion that is all of China so yes you do hold a grudge.

I don't need to reconcile with Indians like you. I hated you from Defence forum India.
 
Sure, try getting out of your gated high-rise overlooking that slum.

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February 11, 2011
Galloping Growth, and Hunger in India
By VIKAS BAJAJ
BAMNOD, India — The 50-year-old farmer knew from experience that his onion crop was doomed when torrential rains pounded his fields throughout September, a month when the Indian monsoon normally peters out.

For lack of modern agricultural systems in this part of rural India, his land does not have adequate drainage trenches, and he has no safe, dry place to store onions. The farmer, Arun Namder Talele, said he lost 70 percent of his onion crop on his five-acre farm here, about 70 miles north of the western city of Aurangabad.

“There are no limits to my losses,” Mr. Talele said.

Mr. Talele’s misfortune, and that of many other farmers here, is a grim reminder of a persistent fact: India, despite its ambitions as an emerging economic giant, still struggles to feed its 1.1 billion people.

Four decades after the Green Revolution seemed to be solving India’s food problems, nearly half of Indian children age 5 or younger are malnourished. And soaring food prices, a problem around the world, are especially acute in India.

Globally, floods in Australia and drought in China have helped send food prices everywhere soaring — on fears the world will see a repeat of shortages in 2007 and 2008 that caused food riots in some poor countries, including Egypt.

While India’s agricultural problems are part of this bigger global puzzle, in many ways India’s food challenges are more entrenched and systemic than those faced elsewhere.

Western investors may take eager note of India’s economic growth rate of nearly 9 percent a year. But that statistic rings hollow in India’s vast rural areas. Agriculture employs more than half the population, but it accounts for only 15 percent of the economy — and it has grown an average of only about 3 percent in recent years.

Critics say Indian policy makers have failed to follow up on the country’s investments in agricultural technology of the 1960s and ’70s, as they focused on more glamorous, urban industries like information technology, financial services and construction.

There is no agribusiness of the type known in the United States, with highly mechanized farms growing thousands of acres of food crops, because Indian laws and customs bar corporations from farming land directly for food crops. The laws also make it difficult to assemble large land holdings.

Yet even as India’s farming still depends on manual labor and the age-old vicissitudes of nature, demand for food has continued to rise — because of a growing population and rising incomes, especially in the middle and upper classes. As a result, India is importing ever greater amounts of some staples like beans and lentils (up 157 percent from 2004 to 2009) and cooking oil (up 68 percent in the same period).

Food prices are rising faster in India than in almost any other major economy — and faster than they did during the 2007-8 surge.

In December 2010, India’s food prices jumped 13.7 from the year earlier, while inflation for all commodities, heavily weighted by the food number, stood at 8.4 percent.

A snapshot number released in mid-January showed Indian food prices rising even faster — more than 17 percent over the same period in 2009 — as the cost of onions, fruit, eggs, milk and other commodities rose.

Food inflation hits especially hard here because Indians — most of whom live on less than $2 a day — spend a bigger portion of their disposable incomes on food than people in other big, developing economies like China and Brazil.

“This is the worst form of taxation on the poorest of the poor,” said Ashok Gulati, Asia director for the International Food Policy Research Institute.

Indian government officials have scrambled to make up the shortage of vegetables like onions by importing them. These short-term efforts have helped; onions are now available at 20 rupees a kilo (about 20 cents a pound) in Mumbai, down more than 70 percent from their recent highs.

But experts say the widening gap between agriculture’s anemic supply and the rising demand for food calls for fundamental changes in farming policies.

During the Green Revolution the government invested heavily in rural agriculture, with an emphasis on hybrid seeds, fertilizers and irrigation canals.

More recent policy makers have not built on that early success. Most Indian farmers still do not have irrigation systems, and waste and inefficiency have severely depleted precious ground water.

Although many farmers have access to free or subsidized electricity that can be used to pump water, few receive power for more than a few hours a day. Mr. Talele, the farmer in Bamnod, gets only four hours of electricity during the day and four hours at night. During those periods he pumps well water that he then floods into his fields because he cannot afford the sprinklers or drip irrigation that would more efficiently and effectively water his crops.

And rural India has far too few temperature-controlled warehouses that could help farmers and the nation build up reserves as a hedge against poor growing seasons.

When Mr. Talele’s vegetables are ready for harvest he immediately takes them to wholesale markets, which are controlled by committees of local traders. “Whatever the market decides, that’s the price we get,” he said.

Indian officials acknowledge that the country needs to increase investment in irrigation, encourage competition in wholesale and retail markets, and provide targeted food subsidies to the poor. And they also have to provide more education and jobs to villagers, so fewer people are forced to live off the land.

Experts say India needs to make changes like some of the ones China made, beginning in the late 1970s, when it started investing heavily in agriculture and eased regulations on farming.

As recently as 1977, Chinese and Indian farmers harvested roughly the same amount of wheat for each acre that they planted. But by 2009, United Nations data shows that wheat yields were 1.7 times higher in China than in India.

Kaushik Basu, a Cornell University professor who is also the chief economic adviser to India’s finance minister, says he now sees more willingness by Indian officials to reform agriculture policies.

But outside experts like Mr. Gulati are skeptical that real change will come from the government. The ruling coalition has been hobbled by corruption scandals, and an energized opposition last year effectively blocked proceedings in Parliament.

Some Indian farmers are investing on their own, finding ways to circumvent the government when necessary and using subsidies when they are available.

About 10 miles from Mr. Talele’s farm in the village of Pahur, Sandeep Ram Karshanbakr’s farming income has jumped to 200,000 rupees ($4,400) a year, from 80,000 rupees ($1,800) three years ago. He credits the improvement to a drip irrigation system he bought from an Indian company, Jain Irrigation.

The government paid half the 128,000 rupees ($2,800) cost of the system. That has cut the amount of water and electricity Mr. Karshanbakr uses by about half on his three acres, while improving yields twofold to fivefold on his crops of chilis, cauliflower, eggplants, tomatoes and cotton.

Mr. Karshanbakr says he is now considering buying or leasing more land. But many farmers, like Mr. Talele, say they simply cannot afford such irrigation equipment — even with government subsidies as high as 50 percent of the sticker price. “It’s still too expensive,” he said.

Anil Jain, managing director at Jain Irrigation, said India needs to help farmers like Mr. Talele invest. “Agriculture can grow at 6 to 8 percent,” he said. “But we have to create opportunity and income in rural areas.”

This article has been revised to reflect the following correction:

Correction: February 16, 2011


A picture caption on Saturday with an article about the failure of India’s agricultural systems to keep pace with its economic and population growth referred incompletely to the harvest that was shown. While the field did contain coriander, the plants shown in the foreground were another leaf vegetable — not coriander, which was planted between the rows and not visible. (A plant being tossed in the air by a worker was coriander.)

What exactly has been his message?

Maybe this will help

120 Million Chinese Suffer from Malnutrition

About 120 million Chinese people suffer from malnutrition and the country's poverty problems are still pressing, said Vice Agriculture Minister Zhang Baowen at a conference to mark the 23rd World Food Day on Thursday.


120 Million Chinese Suffer from Malnutrition

How now, brown cow, why do you frown beneath the bough?

Hopefully the 50 Cent army will find a new tack!
 
Apparently you can't hold on to a grudge at all against your masters as you were ruled by the British for 200 years and still love them.

As for communists in your opinion that is all of China so yes you do hold a grudge.

I don't need to reconcile with Indians like you. I hated you from Defence forum India.

One can always hold grudges against all masters.

But then they have to be Han Chinese!

Shame on your pea-brained vengeance seeking psychology.

Be magnanimous.

I don't hate you.

I feel pity for you and your ilk.

My Christian compassion embraces you and hopefully can cure you from the venom that you possess within your heart!

May Jesus save you!

it is true I find commies repulsive.

Sorry that I am not PC and truth must prevail.

Though I like Mao. He kicked the Chinese lazy bones into shape!

he was right.The chinese are frogs in the well!
 
Ray I was going to respond to your little fact about Chinese malnutrition with a fact about Indian malnutrition.

But F**k New York Times has some graphic images.

I feel bad about it now.

If it makes you feel better We'll admit malnutrition is worse in China to satisfy your ego if it means stopping the bringing up of malnutrition at all.
 
One can always hold grudges against all masters.

But then they have to be Han Chinese!

Shame on your pea-brained vengeance seeking psychology.

Be magnanimous.

I don't hate you.

I feel pity for you and your ilk.

My Christian compassion embraces you and hopefully can cure you from the venom that you possess within your heart!

May Jesus save you!

it is true I find commies repulsive.

Sorry that I am not PC and truth must prevail.

Though I like Mao. He kicked the Chinese lazy bones into shape!

You are a very strange Indian.

I'll burn in hell just like your pompous A**
 
What exactly has been his message?

Maybe this will help



How now, brown cow, why do you frown beneath the bough?

Hopefully the 50 Cent army will find a new tack!

Typical Indian deflect and attack. Chinese poverty is DECREASING. India's is Increasing.

Maybe you should go back to Indian-American brain drain vs Chinese waiters. Ha ha ha.
 
Ray I was going to respond to your little fact about Chinese malnutrition with a fact about Indian malnutrition.

But F**k New York Times has some graphic images.

I feel bad about it now.

LOL, maybe we can get Ray to start ranting about his "penis" again. :D

The Chinese Love penis!

and eat it too!!

What Tongzhis!

Comrades to the Penis!
 
I am surprised that the Chinese suffer from malnutrition.

Aren't there enough of penises, larvae, grubs, gonads of bulls and other exotic food like dogs, cats etc to feed the hunger?
 
LOL, maybe we can get Ray to start ranting about the "penis" again. :D

Why is the link I posted wrong?

do the chinese not eat penises?

Just tell me they don't and I will accept it.

Of course a link.

During the olympics, there was an order that no dogs will be served. But that does not mean dog meat is not a delicacy. I have even posted the chinese word for dog meat.

Time you people realise that we have understood your trick to deflect the issues discussed so that the truth about China is hidden.

good job by the 50 cent, but it has become too hackneyed not to be known!
 
As a straight man, I would rather talk about malnutrition. It's a serious problem.
 

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