Australian New PM Wants Closer Ties With ‘Giant’ Indonesia

[Indos]

New study shows Indonesia's trust in Australia has plummeted | The World​

 

[WotTen]

From my point of view, India entering Quad is because of the heating tension with China in the border Himalayan areas. It is basically just a tit for tat respond, I doubt India has full commitment on the alliance.

The contested area in SCS is far from India homeland and it is not regarded as their sphere of influence which is limited to South Asia region where they also try to extend it into Central Asia region which is also very close to their territory.

We will see whether India will allow their new aircraft carrier to have joint patrol in SCS with other Quad members after it is commissioned and has been loaded with fighters. Something that we probably could see after 2025.

India is just cashing in on America's obsession with China. Both India and China know that their border issues are not worth a full scale conflict. Both sides do a little border dance occasionally for domestic consumption.

India also knows that the West is pushing Russia and China closer, and India most definitely does NOT want Russia to see India as a Western ally.

India will play the US to extract maximum benefits for itself. Very smart move.

 

[Indos]

Albanese to travel to Indonesia to improve 'very important relationship'​

 

[Han Patriot]

The problem with the Quad is that, despite all the anti-China rhetoric, Russia sees it as an anti-China-Russia alliance. This gives India pause to join any meaningful security initiatives and, thereby, takes the teeth out of this alliance.

India is mostly an ego issue, they get shoved by us at the borders and hence they have a bruised ego now. They need to stand up to China somehow but they can't abandon Russia. So they are not a reliable partner.

 

[Indos]

Indonesian Navy ship KRI Krans Kaisiepo, Royal Australian Navy ship HMAS Parramatta, a Royal Australian Air Force Boeing P-8A Poseidon aircraft and an Indonesian Air Force Boeing 737-2X9 Surveiller conduct a cooperative activity during a regional presence deployment.

https://koarmada2.tnial.mil.id/2022/06/01/tni-angkatan-laut-koarmada-ii-bersama-militer-australia-siap-perkuat-keamanan-maritim-kawasan/

 

[Indos]

Albanese wants to ensure ‘important relationship’ with Indonesia is prioritised​

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Jun 4, 2022

 

[Chat SAMOSA]

It is because Indonesia has foreign policy that we call as bebas and aktif ( free and active ). This is set up during Soeharto era and we havent changed it.

If you see Indonesia people perception, Indonesians people beside see China as threat, we also see USA as threat. This is also what has been seen in recent survey made by Australia think thank, Lowy Institute. This is basically a logic thinking as the big nation in SEA, basically only USA and China that can potentially harm Indonesia. It is why we still preserve hankamrata doctrine where it is a total war doctrine where civilians are involved and mimic what happen during our independence war with Dutch.

Indonesian Muslim that form 88 percent of Indonesian people has more faith with their Muslim brothers and sisters in Muslim world which is seen in the survey where Saudi Arabia and UAE is regarded as the closes ally based on people mind.

Why does Indonesia see US as a threat? Is there some history there ?

 

[Chat SAMOSA]

India is just cashing in on America's obsession with China. Both India and China know that their border issues are not worth a full scale conflict. Both sides do a little border dance occasionally for domestic consumption.

India also knows that the West is pushing Russia and China closer, and India most definitely does NOT want Russia to see India as a Western ally.

India will play the US to extract maximum benefits for itself. Very smart move.

Covid has changed everything that involves China. Before that everyone was aware that China being factory to the world, US being inventor & designer of things, everyone else working their way to compete for 2nd 3rd or 4th spot in individual fields of science and applications. Japan Russia Israel France UK Genrmany will have their lead in topical areas with poorer pushy nations such as India while jostling to break in , always being dangled a carrot here, an onion there ...India atleast had the consumer market so nobody could ignore; software bpo and other englist-componented outsourcable was/is one rare opportunity that India brilliantly exploited and amplified their economy. Indonesia and Phillipines to some extent joined that category. All other countries were becoming smaller and smaller in significance.

Covid changed all that. US must have local manufacture as well as diversified global supply chain. Vietnam India Japan several European countries, larger Middle Eastern countries etc are all seeing new opportunity and hope.

Once Russia gets rid of Putin, it's going to be a mad scramble for capital all over the world.

May be I should get back to Wall street.......nah the mangos here are at this stage better draw than more $ !!

 

[MH.Yang]

When Indonesia becomes a regional power, it will inevitably seize the voice of the South Pacific region. This will also lead to a strategic game between Indonesia and Australia.

I have always believed that Australia's nuclear submarines were prepared for Indonesia, not China.
Australia has several nuclear submarines that can only be delivered in 2040, which means nothing to China, but is of great significance to the strategic game in the South Pacific. 2040 should also be the time node when Indonesia has enough strength to challenge Australia.

 

[jhungary]

When Indonesia becomes a regional power, it will inevitably seize the voice of the South Pacific region. This will also lead to a strategic game between Indonesia and Australia.

I have always believed that Australia's nuclear submarines were prepared for Indonesia, not China.
Australia has several nuclear submarines that can only be delivered in 2040, which means nothing to China, but is of great significance to the strategic game in the South Pacific. 2040 should also be the time node when Indonesia has enough strength to challenge Australia.

That is naïve and borderline stupid way to interpret Australian-Indonesian relationship.

The South pacific is the gateway for US into Asia, specifically US 7th Fleet, which mean Australia nor Indonesia would have control of the area, the US did and that is not going to change in 2040 or beyond, unless US loses Guam or other South Pacific colony.

On the other hand, Indonesia and Australia enjoy a very cordial and supplement relationship. There were never a time beside East Timor when Australia sort of butt head with Indonesia. The problem is, both countries economy survive on each other. It is not at either country best position to antagonise each other. Hence there will not be any challenge unless either Indonesia or Australian expanded into each other territories.

Also, Australia don't need nuclear sub to target Indonesia, nuclear sub is for advance forward deployment, their advantage is going to be significantly lower if you are using it to target the country immediately to your north. There are not too many port in Australia (2 actually, Fleet Base East and Fleet Base West) that can support the sub when they were build, you kind of know where it went if you are talking about intercepting it off Indonesia, the longer the nuclear sub go under the harder for people to detect it, that is the entire point of getting a nuclear sub to begin with....

Stick to your area of Asia and either study some history on other part of the world before you comment.

 

[MH.Yang]

That is naïve and borderline stupid way to interpret Australian-Indonesian relationship.

The South pacific is the gateway for US into Asia, specifically US 7th Fleet, which mean Australia nor Indonesia would have control of the area, the US did and that is not going to change in 2040 or beyond, unless US loses Guam or other South Pacific colony.

On the other hand, Indonesia and Australia enjoy a very cordial and supplement relationship. There were never a time beside East Timor when Australia sort of butt head with Indonesia. The problem is, both countries economy survive on each other. It is not at either country best position to antagonise each other. Hence there will not be any challenge unless either Indonesia or Australian expanded into each other territories.

Also, Australia don't need nuclear sub to target Indonesia, nuclear sub is for advance forward deployment, their advantage is going to be significantly lower if you are using it to target the country immediately to your north. There are not too many port in Australia (2 actually, Fleet Base East and Fleet Base West) that can support the sub when they were build, you kind of know where it went if you are talking about intercepting it off Indonesia, the longer the nuclear sub go under the harder for people to detect it, that is the entire point of getting a nuclear sub to begin with....

Stick to your area of Asia and either study some history on other part of the world before you comment.

Your theory is based on the premise that Indonesia is still unable to become a regional power in 2040.

The fact is that the USA and Australia are in continuous decline, most of the energy of the USA is invested in East Asia, and Indonesia is becoming stronger and stronger. It is a historical necessity for Indonesia to claim their legal rights in the South Pacific in 2040. Australia has no ability to stop Indonesia.

 

[jhungary]

Your theory is based on the premise that Indonesia is still unable to become a regional power in 2040.

The fact is that the USA and Australia are in continuous decline, most of the energy of the USA is invested in East Asia, and Indonesia is becoming stronger and stronger. It is a historical necessity for Indonesia to claim their legal rights in the South Pacific in 2040. Australia has no ability to stop Indonesia.

I can say the same to you.

Your theory is based on Australia and US being decline to a point they cannot hold the Islands in the South Pacific (Guam, Norfolk, Christmas Island, Northern Marianna).

On the other hand, you have apparently not a single idea How much Indonesia needed Australia to survive in term of economy and vice versa. Or how the relationship on both country in the past or near future.

As I said, either learn the relationship in South Pacific, or keep your comment on stuff that you know.

 

[MH.Yang]

I can say the same to you.

Your theory is based on Australia and US being decline to a point they cannot hold the Islands in the South Pacific (Guam, Norfolk, Christmas Island, Northern Marianna).

On the other hand, you have apparently not a single idea How much Indonesia needed Australia to survive in term of economy and vice versa. Or how the relationship on both country in the past or near future.

As I said, either learn the relationship in South Pacific, or keep your comment on stuff that you know.

Indonesia needs Australia? In addition to July and August every year, the rich in Indonesia will travel to Australia, Indonesia does not need Australia.

Both Australia and Indonesia are resource exporting countries, and the main economic structures of the two countries are competitive. As far as I know, Australia is not an important trading partner of Indonesia. Indonesia's largest trading partner is China, followed by ASEAN countries, then Japan and the United States. Australia is not important.

 

[jhungary]

Indonesia needs Australia? In addition to July and August every year, the rich in Indonesia will travel to Australia, Indonesia does not need Australia.

Both Australia and Indonesia are resource exporting countries, and the main economic structures of the two countries are competitive. As far as I know, Australia is not an important trading partner of Indonesia. Indonesia's largest trading partner is China, followed by ASEAN countries, then Japan and the United States. Australia is not important.

Again, you don't know shit about what Indonesia need. Indonesia needed Australian alumimum, iron and coal, while Australia need Indonesian Rubber and Tin. Sure, have Indonesia import Aluminium from Guinea or Iron from Russia (The next biggest export in the world after Australia) instead of just south.

Indonesia's Top Imports 2023

Indonesia's top imports in 2023 led by processed petroleum oils, crude oil, smartphones, electronic circuits & wheat

www.worldstopexports.com

Number 1 (Specifically Coal and Processed Petroleum Product) and number 4 (Iron, Aluminium) on this list both depending on Australia. In fact 1,4, 8 and 10 all have Australian footprint over them...

Again, go do some research or keep to what you know, which I don't think it's much to begin with.

 

[MH.Yang]

Again, you don't know shit about what Indonesia need. Indonesia needed Australian alumimum, iron and coal, while Australia need Indonesian Rubber and Tin. Sure, have Indonesia import Aluminium from Ghana or Iron from Russia (The next biggest export in the world after Australia) instead of just south.

Indonesia's Top Imports 2023

Indonesia's top imports in 2023 led by processed petroleum oils, crude oil, smartphones, electronic circuits & wheat

www.worldstopexports.com

Number 1 and number 4 on this list both depending on Australia. In fact 1,4, 8 and 10 all have Australian footprint over them...

Again, go do some research or keep to what you know, which I don't think it's much to begin with.

You mean that Australia accounts for 4% of Indonesia's foreign trade, so Indonesia will cede the South Pacific to Australia? Or do you mean that Australia is the only exporter of oil and steel? Are you dreaming?

As for coal and aluminum, they are Indonesian exports, not imports.