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The Cambodian genocide thing need more investigation because everything is one sided from Vietnam. And almost every single Khmer Rogue leaders are enjoying massive wealth, and their front man still control Cambodia.

Everything points to a fact that Vietnam cambodian saga is just a squabble between brothers.
Even the cambodian agreed about the genocide, and it's the reason why modern Cambodia is so under-populated.
The Khmer rouge still having strength in Cambodia is due to the fact after the war, Sihanouk was brought back, and Cambodia is to have "democracy" by US and China. With money from US and China, Vietnam can't compete.

And no, the fact that US supports China during the war shows that it's really a revisionist line by Mao.
 
A double post, but also I need to point out that the reason why there are still some Khmer rouge sympathizers in Cambodia is the same as why there are still some Imperial japanese sympathizers currently in the ruling party of Japan.

US's intervention and money.
 
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A double post, but also I need to point out that the reason why there are still some Khmer rouge sympathizers in Cambodia is the same as why there are still some Imperial japanese sympathizers currently in the ruling party of Japan.

US's intervention and money.

Khmer Rogue sympathizer is Hun Sen and Siharnok. Everyone know Siharnok is always grateful to China.

And Hun Sen is a senior Khmer Rogue commanders and happens everyone think he kill nobody.

Today I see almost every elites in Cambodia are former senior Khmer Rogue or their scion. Yes today.
 
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Khmer Rogue sympathizer is Hun Sen and Siharnok. Everyone know Siharnok is always grateful to China.

And Hun Sen is a senior Khmer Rogue commanders and happens everyone think he kill nobody.

Today I see almost every elites in Cambodia are former senior Khmer Rogue or their scion. Yes today.
Sihanouk is just an opportunist royalist, he wanted to channel Khmer Rouge's nationalist power, that's all.
And nah, Hun Sen is anti-Khmer Rouge, he turned coat and went to Vietnam to help.

In fact, he's the one holding back the Khmer Rouge leaders from regaining powers, the actual Khmer Rouge are now in old as hell and lack any ideology except anti-Vietnamese.

The only thing we viets did wrong is failed to cleanse of Cambodia's old powers hiding in the woods. That's why it's such a fucked up country nowadays, full of gambling and addiction.
 
I feel a sense of humor with you. Just a temporary measure to enforce the lockdown. You understand this virus is a tough enemy? We have deaths in VN unimaginable recently.
Not just us, many countries are forced to engage the military because the local police can’t do the job. Australia, New Zealand. I am pretty sure Xi Jingping will also mobilize the PLA if necessary.
?stop being so sensitive
 
Viet Nam supported Khmer Rouge at first, until Khmer Rouge started to attack Vietnam.

I believe the chinese have more in stopping communist movement in SEA when Deng stops supporting communist movements in Malaysia and Indonesia.

Where do you read such story ?

Nope, CCP is quite ambitious to spread communism, they dont have chance after communist is eliminated by right wing Indonesian Army and supported by anti-communist movement in the country. Have you ever read the massacre of communist in Indonesia ?

Indonesia Communist Party want to create military wing with 1 million strong troops where the weapon will be supplied by China. Army intelligent ( right wing ) then see Soekarno will approve the plan. This is why they plan a coup to take Soekarno down to avoid civil war. Then left wing Armed Force sniff the plan and catch and killed them. Armed Force General, Nasution escaped, after that Soeharto, Kostrad Commander, take a revenge and abolish Indonesia Communist Party.

He get helped as well by Siliwangi District Militer and Army Special Force (Kopassus), both are located in West Java ( strong Islam region ). Communist strong hold is in East Java where they dont have strong military command like Kostrad, Kopassus, and Siliwangi. Kostrad is in Central Java. Jakarta is basically located inside West Java and those Military commands are close to Jakarta, the center of power. Soekarno is then forced to step down, there was event when Army surround the Palace where Soekarno live, bring with them many cannon and direct it to the palace.

Soeharto then get more involved in eradicating the Communist in SEA region and he become the main conceptors of ASEAN where it is basically a group in SEA to withstand Communist infiltration to the region. ASEAN never accept Communist Vietnam until around 1990 where communism is not regarded as too dangerous anymore. Indonesia also restart its diplomatic relation with China in 1990 after being frezed since Soeharto take the leadership in Indonesia.

Soeharto also invaded East Timor to stop communist movement there since Fretilin at that time has left ideology. Soeharto also stop a war with Malaysia ( which is initiated by Soekarno), the Ganyang Malaysia confrontation make Communist in Malaysia stronger due to Soekarno help. In this war Indonesia has to fight 5 countries at once, including British, Australia, NewZealand, and Malaya ( Malaysia and Singapore ) where India is also helping the British Commonwealth coalition indirectly.

Soeharto then change the course of our politics, Make it closer with The West (Anti Communist) and helped Malaysia to fight Communist movement in Sarawak ( Malaysia part of Borneo island) by sending Army special force (Kopassus) until Communist in Malaysia is defeated in 1990.
 
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Where do you read such story ?

Nope, CCP is quite ambitious to spread communism, they dont have chance after communist is eliminated by right wing Indonesian Army and supported by anti-communist movement in the country. Have you ever read the massacre of communist in Indonesia ?

Indonesia Communist Party want to create military wing with 1 million strong troops where the weapon will be supplied by China. Army intelligent ( right wing ) then see Soekarno will approve the plan. This is why they plan a coup to take Soekarno down to avoid civil war. Then left wing Armed Force sniff the plan and catch and killed them. Armed Force General, Nasution escaped, after that Soeharto, Kostrad Commander, take a revenge and abolish Indonesia Communist Party.

He get helped as well by Siliwangi District Militer and Army Special Force (Kopassus), both are located in West Java ( strong Islam region ). Communist strong hold is in East Java where they dont have strong military command like Kostrad, Kopassus, and Siliwangi. Kostrad is in Central Java. Jakarta is basically located inside West Java and those Military commands are close to Jakarta, the center of power. Soekarno is then forced to step down, there was event when Army surround the Palace where Soekarno live, bring with them many cannon and direct it to the palace.

Soeharto then get more involved in eradicating the Communist in SEA region and he become the main conceptors of ASEAN where it is basically a group in SEA to withstand Communist infiltration to the region. ASEAN never accept Communist Vietnam until around 1990 where communism is not regarded as too dangerous anymore. Indonesia also restart its diplomatic relation with China in 1990 after being frezed since Soeharto take the leadership in Indonesia.

Soeharto also invaded East Timor to stop communist movement there since Fretilin at that time has left ideology. Soeharto also stop a war with Malaysia ( which is initiated by Soekarno), the Ganyang Malaysia confrontation make Communist in Malaysia stronger due to Soekarno help. In this war Indonesia has to fight 5 countries at once, including British, Australia, NewZealand, and Malaya ( Malaysia and Singapore ) where India is also helping the British Commonwealth coalition indirectly.

Soeharto then change the course of our politics, Make it closer with The West (Anti Communist) and helped Malaysia to fight Communist movement in Sarawak ( Malaysia part of Borneo island) by sending Army special force (Kopassus) until Communist in Malaysia is defeated in 1990.

Indonesian communist and their peripheral wing were the co-founders of Indonesia, including President Sukarno. This has nothing to do with China.

That is to say the entire Indo constitution, the spirit of nation founding has to do with communism, which is diametrically opposite from all these so call Islamic states, including Malaysia.

It was the US and some local Muslims willing to evangelize that went on a killing spree hand in hand with Suharto. Suharto is no fan of these folks and kick them out once he got power.

Till now, lots of Indo upper class are scion of former leftist. Now Indo got so brainwashed that they forgotten communist were the country major founding shareholder, and the life they have given in overthrowing the Dutch.
 
Where do you read such story ?
Nope, CCP is quite ambitious to spread communism, they dont have chance after communist is eliminated by right wing Indonesian Army and supported by anti-communist movement in the country. Have you ever read the massacre of communist in Indonesia ?
I do read about that, but I think it has more to do with the CIA because President Sukarno was a nationalist with communist sympathizing sentiments, while his general Suharto was anti-communist.

In Malaysia, look at the life of Chin Peng, who is a chinese malay who fought hard for communist. He was initially supported by China, but when Deng takes power, he gradually withdrawn support and in the 80s even convinced Chin Peng to surrender.
 
Indonesian communist and their peripheral wing were the co-founders of Indonesia, including President Sukarno. This has nothing to do with China.

That is to say the entire Indo constitution, the spirit of nation founding has to do with communism, which is diametrically opposite from all these so call Islamic states, including Malaysia.

It was the US and some local Muslims willing to evangelize that went on a killing spree hand in hand with Suharto. Suharto is no fan of these folks and kick them out once he got power.

Till now, lots of Indo upper class are scion of former leftist. Now Indo got so brainwashed that they forgotten communist were the country major founding shareholder, and the life they have given in overthrowing the Dutch.

LOL

Nope, Communist force is so little compared to other Independence movement like Islamist and Nationalist. Communist military rebellion in Madiun is not too difficult to be defeated. It is somehow different with one Islamist group rebellion (DI/TII). Not all Islamist participate in DI/TII rebellion, only one leader, Kartosuwiryo, who rebels and the rebellion takes many years to finish. You can check on the history of Pancasila where about 4 Islamist leaders and 5 Nationalist make a compromise, even Kartosuwiryo is not one of the Islamist leaders who are considered as very influential.

General Sudirman, the first Indonesian Army Commander could be considered as Islamist as well since he is Muhammadiyah Activist ( Oldest Islamic organization in Indonesia and second largest after Nahdatul Ulama).

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Indonesia is started from Islamist movement which is Syarikat Islam. All Indonesian independent movement comes from here, including Soekarno.

Here take time to learn before stating funny thing like your above statement :

Sarekat Islam

Sarekat Islam or Syarikat Islam (Islamic Association[3] or Islamic Union,[4] SI) was an Indonesian socio-political organization founded at the beginning of the 20th Century during the Dutch colonial era.

Initially, SI served as a cooperative of Muslim Javanese batik traders to compete with the Chinese-Indonesian big traders. From there, SI rapidly evolved into a nationalist political organization that demanded self-governance against the Dutch colonial regime and gained wide popular support. SI was especially active during the 1910s and the early 1920s. By 1916, it claimed 80 branches with a total membership of around 350,000.[1]

SI was eventually embroiled in an internal conflict between the Islamic moderates and the radical communist members who urged firmer anti-colonialist and anti-capitalist actions. In 1921, the organization was split and communist members founded a separate entity known as the Sarekat Islam Merah (Red Islamic Association) which was absorbed into the Communist Party of Indonesia (PKI). The split led to the decline of the organization, and the original SI later turned into a political party, the Indonesian Islamic Union Party (PSII). PSII was fused into the United Development Party (PPP) in 1973.

Today, SI is credited as the first large-scale Indonesian nationalist organization (or mass organization, ormas) and the largest Muslim political organization in the pre-independence era.[1][2][5]


This listen Indonesian Radio ignited Jihad call when Surabaya ( second largest city in Indonesia ) was attacked by British.

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The Battle of Surabaya was fought between regular infantry and militia of the Indonesian nationalist movement and British and British Indian troops as a part of the Indonesian National Revolution against the re-imposition of Dutch colonial rule. The peak of the battle was in November 1945. The battle was the largest single battle of the revolution and became a national symbol of Indonesian resistance.[2] Considered a heroic effort by Indonesians, the battle helped galvanise Indonesian and international support for Indonesian independence. 10 November is celebrated annually as Heroes' Day (Hari Pahlawan).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Surabaya

Famous National Hero, Bung Tomo who made the Jihad call to fight British


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And many war happen before Indonesian is united. The wars were conducted by regional leaders and mostly Islamist leaders as almost all Indonesian is under Islamic Sultanate.

This one for example happen in West Sumatra :


The Padri War (also called the Minangkabau War) was fought from 1803 until 1837 in West Sumatra, Indonesia between the Padri and the Adat. "Padri" were Muslim clerics from Sumatra who wanted to impose Sharia in Minangkabau country in West Sumatra, Indonesia. "Adat" comprised the Minangkabau nobility and traditional chiefs. The latter asked for the help of the Dutch, who intervened from 1821 and helped the nobility defeat the Padri faction.

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It can be considered that the Padri War actually began in 1803, prior to Dutch intervention, and was a conflict that had broken out in Minangkabau country when the Padri started to suppress what they saw as un-Islamic customs, i.e. the adat. But after occupation of the Pagaruyung Kingdom by Tuanku Pasaman, one of Padri leaders in 1815, on 21 February 1821, the Minangkabau nobility made a deal with Dutch in Padang to help them to fight the Padri.[1]

Adat, as customary law is called in Indonesia, includes indigenous, pre-Islamic religious practices and social traditions in local custom. The Padri, like contemporaneous jihadists in the Sokoto Caliphate of West Africa, were Islamist purists who had made the hajj to Mecca and returned[2] inspired to bring the Qur'an and shariah to a position of greater influence in Sumatra. The Padri movement had formed during the early 19th century and sought to purge the culture of traditions and beliefs its partisans viewed as un-Islamic, including syncretic folk beliefs, cockfighting and Minangkabau matrilineal traditions.

In the 1820s, the Dutch had yet to consolidate their possessions in some parts of the Dutch East Indies (later Indonesia) after re-acquiring it from the British. This was especially true on the island of Sumatra, where some areas would not come under Dutch rule until the 20th century.

 
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Military exchanges between Russia and Vietnam are normal. Vietnam is also a sukhoi consumer. The real problem in Vietnam is the old power in South Vietnam. When Vietnam looks to the United States to balance China's influence, we all know which political power the Americans will support.

Sooner or later, the Vietcong would run into big trouble for failing to clean up South Vietnamese politics. The confrontation between North and South Vietnam could resume.
 
I do read about that, but I think it has more to do with the CIA because President Sukarno was a nationalist with communist sympathizing sentiments, while his general Suharto was anti-communist.

In Malaysia, look at the life of Chin Peng, who is a chinese malay who fought hard for communist. He was initially supported by China, but when Deng takes power, he gradually withdrawn support and in the 80s even convinced Chin Peng to surrender.

Look Communist political power is number 4 during first Indonesia democratic election in 1955. Nationalist though look like not hate them as much as Islamist power, but the real power in Indonesia at that time was actually Army, particularly after it was backed by Islamist and Soekarno becomes unpopular due to he become dictator since 1959 and go against Islam interest by backing Communist. Army is also divided but the majority turn out to be right wing ( Anti Communist ), something understandable due to Communist is not as strong as Nationalist and Islamist power.

Islam is against Communist and you can see during cold war whole Muslim countries are in the side of The West.

CIA alone cannot do such thing like this. Just look on Afghanistan, without any US troops, US is hopeless. Any big event happen in any country must be coming from their own internal force, unless if the changes happened due to invasion like happening in Afghanistan and Iraq.
 
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25-30 million USD?
Sounds a good deal.

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its price will be 45 to 65 million $$$ are more reasonable guess, may be this price would be its manufacturing and fabricating its stealthy fuselage, its price raises much higher with Avionics/AESA/weapon and logistic/training and maintenance cost, this 5th gen get not 4th 4.5th gen light jets???

look brother our block 1 JFT has a prices of 15 million per piece, and our upcoming JFT block 3 will have a price of 25 to 35 million per piece, so how its possible that's the 5th gen stealth fighter will have price comparable to light 4.5th gen jet?? even india's upcoming Tejas MK1A will have price of 40 to 45 million per piece??
 
Islam is against Communist and you can see during cold war whole Muslim countries are in the side of The West.

CIA alone cannot do such thing like this. Just look on Afghanistan, without any US troops, US is hopeless. Any big event happen in any country must be coming from their own internal force, unless if the changes happened due to invasion like happening in Afghanistan.
Well, the CIA has always connection to capitalist army, as you can see in various coups during similar timeframe, like Pinochet's coup against Allende.
 
Well, the CIA has always connection to capitalist army, as you can see in various coups during similar timeframe, like Pinochet's coup against Allende.

CIA and USA is the biggest protector of the spiritual source of contemporary Sunni Islam, the Saudi Arabia. It was the British who delivered Saudi to bandit Al Saud family kicking out the nationalistic, and progressive Hashimite.

Without the protection of US, the Saud family will fall this coming second as the major power cities in Saudi hate them. Even today Saud got to hole up in Riyad while the most important City in the land is Jeddah.
 
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