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In recent days discussions taken place for Indian's request to purchase MQ9 Reaper from the USA.

Pravin Sawhney has shed some light on this request and India signing up to BECA.


From his talk, it is obvious that India is in panic mode. It is shaken by Chinese current moves.
Keeping aside their usual fake bravado and chest thumping, the reality is that Indians are feeling very insecure at the moment.
Their insecurity is evident from the fact that on one side Modi after issuing an incredible statement "not an inch of India's land is lost" has gone quiet.
But had allowed his Defence Minister Rajnath to let the cat out of the bag that India has lost 1000 sq km to China recently.

It seems the USA have trapped Indians in to panic buying the hardware from them. While dangling a carrot at them, to make them a client state, but without the security of a defence pact on the line of "NATO" , to provide common defence if India is attacked.

Modi is really taking India to an Abyss fast. We cannot wait for India's destruction.
 
US don't have a habit to treat ally like ally, more or less like vassal.
Due to the asymmetry of power, between US and India, India is acting more and more like vassal.
Actually that's quite normal, India is less developed, depends on the west hugely. and India can't defend herself.
When India has no better choice, US just take advantage from it.
 
US don't have a habit to treat ally like ally, more or less like vassal.
Due to the asymmetry of power, between US and India, India is acting more and more like vassal.
Actually that's quite normal, India is less developed, depends on the west hugely. and India can't defend herself.
When India has no better choice, US just take advantage from it.
Wow. What a brilliant analysis. Truly great. Hopefully China will take it easy on us. I am trembling.
 
US don't have a habit to treat ally like ally, more or less like vassal.
Due to the asymmetry of power, between US and India, India is acting more and more like vassal.
Actually that's quite normal, India is less developed, depends on the west hugely. and India can't defend herself.
When India has no better choice, US just take advantage from it.
So supa powa finally remembered her place and now under USA daddy's protection. :lol:
I am surprised. I thought Supa powa means something like power with dignity and don't need to depend on anyone.
What happened to all the videos of 2030 super power India? :D
 
So supa powa finally remembered her place and now under USA daddy's protection. :lol:
I am surprised. I thought Supa powa means something like power with dignity and don't need to depend on anyone.
What happened to all the videos of 2030 super power India? :D
Oh, I am scared, please spare us. You are insulting us to death. We are making allies with like minded countries against you out of fear (sure). America as a superpower never had allies before. China doesn't treat Russia as an ally when it is threatened by US. Now India can't be a superpower by allying with friends. Only Chinese have superior logic.

But please don't attack us just yet. You can threaten us through gobar times though.
 
Salaam


He also talks about the possibility of the IAF going for F18 hornets for the remainder of their 120 odd combat aircraft requirements.
The whole matter being about integrating into the US defense ecosystem.


A request for everyone. We all know what each feels about the other. Pointless banter does not add to the quality of the discussion, especially when every thread quickly devolves into a pissing contest and insult trading.

thete are many interesting issues that have been discussed in the video, and instead of getting distracted by name calling, it would be better if those were discussed.

For instance, he talks about how the US wants India to spread it's influence into the Indian Ocean by securing and policing the lines of communication and such. However, he mentions that it is not India's interest to do so especially given the challenges on the north with China and Pakistan and the limited resources India has to spare.

He again talks about the evolving doctrines of the US military and the PLA. The US moving away from big-ticket platform centric mindset to integrated data and cyber centric approach.

A lot of people seem to be taking for granted another consequence of the Chinese entering the theatre. The Indians are going to be forced to improve their game now that they are facing a more powerful adversary. Those improvements may not get undone easily if China decides to set down after getting whatever concessions it came here to get.

Many different aspects of this development that could be discussed instead of trading the usual insults in every thread.
 
Wow. What a brilliant analysis. Truly great. Hopefully China will take it easy on us. I am trembling.
Sure, just cut 4 fingers, not a big deal. That's called mercy.
 
US don't have a habit to treat ally like ally, more or less like vassal.
Due to the asymmetry of power, between US and India, India is acting more and more like vassal.
Actually that's quite normal, India is less developed, depends on the west hugely. and India can't defend herself.
When India has no better choice, US just take advantage from it.

Correct. India should understand China is future and support China against US.
 
Salaam


He also talks about the possibility of the IAF going for F18 hornets for the remainder of their 120 odd combat aircraft requirements.
The whole matter being about integrating into the US defense ecosystem.


A request for everyone. We all know what each feels about the other. Pointless banter does not add to the quality of the discussion, especially when every thread quickly devolves into a pissing contest and insult trading.

thete are many interesting issues that have been discussed in the video, and instead of getting distracted by name calling, it would be better if those were discussed.

For instance, he talks about how the US wants India to spread it's influence into the Indian Ocean by securing and policing the lines of communication and such. However, he mentions that it is not India's interest to do so especially given the challenges on the north with China and Pakistan and the limited resources India has to spare.

He again talks about the evolving doctrines of the US military and the PLA. The US moving away from big-ticket platform centric mindset to integrated data and cyber centric approach.

A lot of people seem to be taking for granted another consequence of the Chinese entering the theatre. The Indians are going to be forced to improve their game now that they are facing a more powerful adversary. Those improvements may not get undone easily if China decides to set down after getting whatever concessions it came here to get.

Many different aspects of this development that could be discussed instead of trading the usual insults in every thread.

Brother, the point of India a client state of USA is made for a reason by him.

The other issues you have raised after watching the video, which i have watched before posting, are already in the open for decades. Even Indians boost how they can cut Chinese movement in the Indian ocean, blah blah.

Lets look at crucial implications of the help given to India by the USA.

1- If integration with USA is achieved, which would be decades away, what next!! Do we to believe that USA would give its military secrets to India!! Nope.

2- Therefore, we can safely assume that it would be a one way traffic, USA using India for its benefits, hence, the concept of India as a "Client State" of USA.

3- Lets say that USA shares some military grade intelligence i.e. GPS coordinates, maps etc. Then what!! Does India has the capabilities to act on those maps and coordinates for locations!! The answer to this question is a emphatic no. India doesn't have the capabilities to do so.

4- India's air power is very limited, it couldn't cope with PAF as recent as Feb 2019. Its "Air superiority" assets went in to hiding in fear of getting killed by BVRs.

5- To change the equation, and have capabilities to conduct strikes on the basis of those maps and locations coordinates India once again have to splash out billions of dollars. This time, the beneficiary has to be USA. Russia which supplies almost 60% of India's need would be cut from the loop. Remember, the USA didn't allow Turkey F 35 after Turkey went for S 400 deal.

6- It left one option for India, missile strikes. Let assume India successfully conducted few missile strikes based on the real time intelligence given by the USA. Then what!! Is India capable of handling the aftermath of those strikes!! India would not only use its major and important installations and assets , but it would be on complete mercy of its enemies, in capable of responding, having limited capabilities.

7- Remember, on one of the thread India's recent order for more Mig 29 to Russia is discussed. It is stated that instead of its authorised strength of 42 squadron, India at the moment only operates 31 squadron, out of which only half are worthy. Those squadrons are mainly consist of two/three fighter jets, i.e. Su 30s, Mirage 2000 and to lesser degree Mig 29.

There is further issue of air worthiness of those air crafts. The evidence suggest, India only have about half of its jets in air worthy conditions at a given time. Given that China can equip its fighter with PL 15 BVR missiles with a range of 200 to 300 km, can India really take the risk of losing its air force completely!!

We can keep going, but the point is already made. India is decades behind others, therefore, it has to stick to panic buying after Chinese shown a little mussels in Ladakh.

Indians here or in their media can shout and spread as much fake news and thump their chests as much as they like, reality is stark lack of capabilities on Indian part.

The Indian's claim of "SupaPowa" is nothing more than a pipe dream.

Thus, I agree with Pravin, India would become a client state of USA, where USA reaping all the benefits, creating problem for China using India. While India having no protection at all.

Great deal for India , I say.
 
Brother, the point of India a client state of USA is made for a reason by him.

The other issues you have raised after watching the video, which i have watched before posting, are already in the open for decades. Even Indians boost how they can cut Chinese movement in the Indian ocean, blah blah.

Lets look at crucial implications of the help given to India by the USA.

1- If integration with USA is achieved, which would be decades away, what next!! Do we to believe that USA would give its military secrets to India!! Nope.

2- Therefore, we can safely assume that it would be a one way traffic, USA using India for its benefits, hence, the concept of India as a "Client State" of USA.

3- Lets say that USA shares some military grade intelligence i.e. GPS coordinates, maps etc. Then what!! Does India has the capabilities to act on those maps and coordinates for locations!! The answer to this question is a emphatic no. India doesn't have the capabilities to do so.

4- India's air power is very limited, it couldn't cope with PAF as recent as Feb 2019. Its "Air superiority" assets went in to hiding in fear of getting killed by BVRs.

5- To change the equation, and have capabilities to conduct strikes on the basis of those maps and locations coordinates India once again have to splash out billions of dollars. This time, the beneficiary has to be USA. Russia which supplies almost 60% of India's need would be cut from the loop. Remember, the USA didn't allow Turkey F 35 after Turkey went for S 400 deal.

6- It left one option for India, missile strikes. Let assume India successfully conducted few missile strikes based on the real time intelligence given by the USA. Then what!! Is India capable of handling the aftermath of those strikes!! India would not only use its major and important installations and assets , but it would be on complete mercy of its enemies, in capable of responding, having limited capabilities.

7- Remember, on one of the thread India's recent order for more Mig 29 to Russia is discussed. It is stated that instead of its authorised strength of 42 squadron, India at the moment only operates 31 squadron, out of which only half are worthy. Those squadrons are mainly consist of two/three fighter jets, i.e. Su 30s, Mirage 2000 and to lesser degree Mig 29.

There is further issue of air worthiness of those air crafts. The evidence suggest, India only have about half of its jets in air worthy conditions at a given time. Given that China can equip its fighter with PL 15 BVR missiles with a range of 200 to 300 km, can India really take the risk of losing its air force completely!!

We can keep going, but the point is already made. India is decades behind others, therefore, it has to stick to panic buying after Chinese shown a little mussels in Ladakh.

Indians here or in their media can shout and spread as much fake news and thump their chests as much as they like, reality is stark lack of capabilities on Indian part.

The Indian's claim of "SupaPowa" is nothing more than a pipe dream.

Thus, I agree with Pravin, India would become a client state of USA, where USA reaping all the benefits, creating problem for China using India. While India having no protection at all.

Great deal for India , I say.
Very logical. Actually, the India elites, (the rare real ones, not those who bad mouth everyday on internet) are not fools.
Those India elites knew US too well, they knew what kind of beast US was/is. US will always be the last one to join the war, and take advantage. US just push India into the regional conflicts(Kashmir) deeper and deeper, and will destroy India when time is right.
Kill 3 birds(Pakistan, China, India) with one stone, perfect.
 
Kill 3 birds(Pakistan, China, India) with one stone, perfect.
China is playing its part in doing so. Picking up fights around the world
 
Salaam


Brother, the point of India a client state of USA is made for a reason by him.

The other issues you have raised after watching the video, which i have watched before posting, are already in the open for decades. Even Indians boost how they can cut Chinese movement in the Indian ocean, blah blah.

Lets look at crucial implications of the help given to India by the USA.

1- If integration with USA is achieved, which would be decades away, what next!! Do we to believe that USA would give its military secrets to India!! Nope.

2- Therefore, we can safely assume that it would be a one way traffic, USA using India for its benefits, hence, the concept of India as a "Client State" of USA.

3- Lets say that USA shares some military grade intelligence i.e. GPS coordinates, maps etc. Then what!! Does India has the capabilities to act on those maps and coordinates for locations!! The answer to this question is a emphatic no. India doesn't have the capabilities to do so.

4- India's air power is very limited, it couldn't cope with PAF as recent as Feb 2019. Its "Air superiority" assets went in to hiding in fear of getting killed by BVRs.

5- To change the equation, and have capabilities to conduct strikes on the basis of those maps and locations coordinates India once again have to splash out billions of dollars. This time, the beneficiary has to be USA. Russia which supplies almost 60% of India's need would be cut from the loop. Remember, the USA didn't allow Turkey F 35 after Turkey went for S 400 deal.

6- It left one option for India, missile strikes. Let assume India successfully conducted few missile strikes based on the real time intelligence given by the USA. Then what!! Is India capable of handling the aftermath of those strikes!! India would not only use its major and important installations and assets , but it would be on complete mercy of its enemies, in capable of responding, having limited capabilities.

7- Remember, on one of the thread India's recent order for more Mig 29 to Russia is discussed. It is stated that instead of its authorised strength of 42 squadron, India at the moment only operates 31 squadron, out of which only half are worthy. Those squadrons are mainly consist of two/three fighter jets, i.e. Su 30s, Mirage 2000 and to lesser degree Mig 29.

There is further issue of air worthiness of those air crafts. The evidence suggest, India only have about half of its jets in air worthy conditions at a given time. Given that China can equip its fighter with PL 15 BVR missiles with a range of 200 to 300 km, can India really take the risk of losing its air force completely!!

We can keep going, but the point is already made. India is decades behind others, therefore, it has to stick to panic buying after Chinese shown a little mussels in Ladakh.

Indians here or in their media can shout and spread as much fake news and thump their chests as much as they like, reality is stark lack of capabilities on Indian part.

The Indian's claim of "SupaPowa" is nothing more than a pipe dream.

Thus, I agree with Pravin, India would become a client state of USA, where USA reaping all the benefits, creating problem for China using India. While India having no protection at all.

Great deal for India , I say.


I agree. I think the US made the mistake with China and are in the process of facing the consequences now. I don't think they will let another country with a billion plus population get to where China is.

The problems started with China because the Chinese became rivals of the west in terms of wealth and technology. I really don't see bow the West would make the same mistake again with India.

When the Indians were with the Soviet Union, they were rivals within the same block with China. Any problem between them, the Soviets tried to get it resolved. Not the case with the US.

The US and China are becoming open rivals and it would be in US interests to get India and China to go at each other. They will add fuel to any fire that might start.

That is why the US will try to get the Indians hooked on their tech - and given the direction the US military technology is taking - it would be very hard for the Indians to decouple themselves from the US any time soon. Most of the tech the Indians want is dependent on other core tech that is in US control. All the sensors and weapons that depend on US tech to work - all the sensitive AI and other core tech without which the more complicated stuff would not be as useful - puts India deeper into the hole.

It's like having the latest smart phone with all the apps, but all apps require the internet and a special account that someone else controls.

It also raises the point about how the Russians would react to the Indians going squarely into the US camp (and basically they start buying western tech instead of Russian). Given the large amounts of equipment the Indians use is of Russian origin, would the price of spares go up? Would the Russians show their displeasure in some other way?

What sort of political support could India expect from Russia in case of a clash with China if things move in this direction?

I agree that the Indians will find themselves more and more dependent on the US. There is a reason why the Indians are doing it under so much pressure and not in an open and stress free situation.

Lastly, I think another problem I see for the Indians is financial. They are going to have to spend a lot more resources to guard the Chinese border year round. That money will have to come from somewhere. Then given the price items they are buying and will be buying and maintenaning over the next few years - not to mention the aftermath of Covid - the indigenous military development projects would take a massive hit.

So I agree, this whole situation is leading Indians into a situation which will likely make them far less independent and safe than they are at the moment.


Btw the kind of post you wrote is the type that makes the forum interesting.
 
Brother, the point of India a client state of USA is made for a reason by him.

The other issues you have raised after watching the video, which i have watched before posting, are already in the open for decades. Even Indians boost how they can cut Chinese movement in the Indian ocean, blah blah.

Lets look at crucial implications of the help given to India by the USA.

1- If integration with USA is achieved, which would be decades away, what next!! Do we to believe that USA would give its military secrets to India!! Nope.

2- Therefore, we can safely assume that it would be a one way traffic, USA using India for its benefits, hence, the concept of India as a "Client State" of USA.

3- Lets say that USA shares some military grade intelligence i.e. GPS coordinates, maps etc. Then what!! Does India has the capabilities to act on those maps and coordinates for locations!! The answer to this question is a emphatic no. India doesn't have the capabilities to do so.

4- India's air power is very limited, it couldn't cope with PAF as recent as Feb 2019. Its "Air superiority" assets went in to hiding in fear of getting killed by BVRs.

5- To change the equation, and have capabilities to conduct strikes on the basis of those maps and locations coordinates India once again have to splash out billions of dollars. This time, the beneficiary has to be USA. Russia which supplies almost 60% of India's need would be cut from the loop. Remember, the USA didn't allow Turkey F 35 after Turkey went for S 400 deal.

6- It left one option for India, missile strikes. Let assume India successfully conducted few missile strikes based on the real time intelligence given by the USA. Then what!! Is India capable of handling the aftermath of those strikes!! India would not only use its major and important installations and assets , but it would be on complete mercy of its enemies, in capable of responding, having limited capabilities.

7- Remember, on one of the thread India's recent order for more Mig 29 to Russia is discussed. It is stated that instead of its authorised strength of 42 squadron, India at the moment only operates 31 squadron, out of which only half are worthy. Those squadrons are mainly consist of two/three fighter jets, i.e. Su 30s, Mirage 2000 and to lesser degree Mig 29.

There is further issue of air worthiness of those air crafts. The evidence suggest, India only have about half of its jets in air worthy conditions at a given time. Given that China can equip its fighter with PL 15 BVR missiles with a range of 200 to 300 km, can India really take the risk of losing its air force completely!!

We can keep going, but the point is already made. India is decades behind others, therefore, it has to stick to panic buying after Chinese shown a little mussels in Ladakh.

Indians here or in their media can shout and spread as much fake news and thump their chests as much as they like, reality is stark lack of capabilities on Indian part.

The Indian's claim of "SupaPowa" is nothing more than a pipe dream.

Thus, I agree with Pravin, India would become a client state of USA, where USA reaping all the benefits, creating problem for China using India. While India having no protection at all.

Great deal for India , I say.

Basically any thing India will get from the US, they will have to be able to use and secure themselves. When operating with the Americans they would use Link 16 and other datalinks to share data in real time, but they will manage their own network themselves or else risk it staying open to the Americans to see all their movements.

Their two previous agreements were logistics/base sharing (a similar agreement has been signed between them and other nations), and intelligence and datalink/interoperability.

with this new agreement, sharing GIS data, it will all come together for the US to sell software to help them plan out military ops, but the Achilles heel of the India will still be their networks and over-eagerness. They are also planning to fight an Air-Land battle, which is the kind of limited thinking we should encourage.

expect the us to sell software like the following: (this is the time for Pakistan to work on similar software with China using the Beidou data)

 
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Salaam


He also talks about the possibility of the IAF going for F18 hornets for the remainder of their 120 odd combat aircraft requirements.
The whole matter being about integrating into the US defense ecosystem.


A request for everyone. We all know what each feels about the other. Pointless banter does not add to the quality of the discussion, especially when every thread quickly devolves into a pissing contest and insult trading.

thete are many interesting issues that have been discussed in the video, and instead of getting distracted by name calling, it would be better if those were discussed.

For instance, he talks about how the US wants India to spread it's influence into the Indian Ocean by securing and policing the lines of communication and such. However, he mentions that it is not India's interest to do so especially given the challenges on the north with China and Pakistan and the limited resources India has to spare.

He again talks about the evolving doctrines of the US military and the PLA. The US moving away from big-ticket platform centric mindset to integrated data and cyber centric approach.

A lot of people seem to be taking for granted another consequence of the Chinese entering the theatre. The Indians are going to be forced to improve their game now that they are facing a more powerful adversary. Those improvements may not get undone easily if China decides to set down after getting whatever concessions it came here to get.

Many different aspects of this development that could be discussed instead of trading the usual insults in every thread.
The be$t part is $$$ part$ of the deal$...

Now, India has to bring all of her defense stuffs, including protocols, logistics, IT etc., as per the US specs and requirements!!! It automatically means the top money flowing like honey into the "bottomless" pockets of the US defense contractors, who maintain the closest relationships to the top-most US politicians across the aisles....

I am pretty sure the US folks would appreciate India....
 
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