Re-post: Refutation of the false allegations that Pakistan supports terrorism against Iran

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Assalam alaikum guys,

I came on the forum yesterday and found a user accusing Pakistan of terrorism against Iran. He specifically accused us of supporting Jaish al Adl and Jundullah.

Since I have heard this allegation before, I wanted to get your guys' thoughts on how to refute this allegation.

This is especially poignant in relation to well-known Iranian support of Indian terrorist apparatus in Chabahar (Kulbushan Yadav being the glaring example,) Liwa Zanabiyuon recruitment, and targeted assassinations in Pakistan.

It is an attempt to silence Pakistan's criticism of Chabahar and its terrorism apparatus, by deflecting the allegations back at us.

It also helps Indian propaganda to promote the false idea that Pakistan is a terrorist state.

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The allegations follow, from a user's own posts.

• I've mentioned this multiple times, especially against this troll here and others who manipulated to make Iran look like terrorist supporter when their govt was also an accomplice in letting certain proxy terrorist groups attack Iranian law enforcement in the border regions with Pakistan

• I've mentioned this multiple times....some of them will pretend they dunno what is happening, or say the region is not demarcated....but Iran has fenced up all its border with Pakistan....

• NO LIE DETECTED. If you know you know...ISI was letting some of these groups setup...FOR DIFFERENT REASONS, i am not sure...i feel strongly some was to help Saudis get back at Iran during their coldwar that ende recently...Saudi is no match militarily for Iranian....they will need miracles to even extricate a military worth saving from Yemen.

• I hear you...it does look like Iran allowed some Indian spying/playing blind to them..but that was most likely done after Pakistani govt and ISI were not being "friendly" with IRan.....Iran respects and like Pakistan as an Islamic country, but when Pakistani govt does things that are aginst IRan's interest, Iran has to pay attention and sometimes take action.

• Duuhh.....Iran will take in Pakistani refugees.. and there would be so many of those.

• when we shine light on the dirty work your ISI and govt do, you will get angry, thats why your mods ban us, delelte our posts, etc....but daily insults from Pakistanis to INdians is kosher.....cant you just see humanity and not nationality or religion??

My response can be found here.

Iranian Chill Thread

yes they are. They are straight up haters. Iran is not only defying the whole world but also defying those ppls logic. They cant stand the fact that Iran is better than them in literally every aspect. They also dont like the fact that they are irrelevant in the world. The main obstacle for...

defence.pk

Let us all nip this propaganda in the bud, shall we?

@BHarwana @The Eagle @PanzerKiel @Aspen @ghazi52 @waz @AgNoStiC MuSliM @LeGenD @Areesh @Morpheus @PakAlp @TNT @Mamluk @Dalit @khansaheeb @BATMAN @Pakistan Space Agency @Blacklight @PakSword @PakFactor @Musings @PAKISTANFOREVER @Verve @21st Century Vampire @raahaat7 @Falcon29 @Mirzah @PDF @Irfan Baloch @Rafi @HAIDER @313ghazi @Starlord @AZADPAKISTAN2009 @Azadkashmir @OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ @Hiptullha @xyx007 @xyxmt @peagle @Meengla

To Mods: My previous thread was locked, so i have endeavored to fulfill the request of our Moderation team. If any changes need to be made, please I request it to be done without locking the thread. Thanks.

Pakistan Zindabad

 

[HAIDER]

Assalam alaikum guys,

I came on the forum yesterday and found a user accusing Pakistan of terrorism against Iran. He specifically accused us of supporting Jaish al Adl and Jundullah.

Since I have heard this allegation before, I wanted to get your guys' thoughts on how to refute this allegation.

This is especially poignant in relation to well-known Iranian support of Indian terrorist apparatus in Chabahar (Kulbushan Yadav being the glaring example,) Liwa Zanabiyuon recruitment, and targeted assassinations in Pakistan.

It is an attempt to silence Pakistan's criticism of Chabahar and its terrorism apparatus, by deflecting the allegations back at us.

It also helps Indian propaganda to promote the false idea that Pakistan is a terrorist state.

--------

The allegations follow, from a user's own posts.

• I've mentioned this multiple times, especially against this troll here and others who manipulated to make Iran look like terrorist supporter when their govt was also an accomplice in letting certain proxy terrorist groups attack Iranian law enforcement in the border regions with Pakistan

• I've mentioned this multiple times....some of them will pretend they dunno what is happening, or say the region is not demarcated....but Iran has fenced up all its border with Pakistan....

• NO LIE DETECTED. If you know you know...ISI was letting some of these groups setup...FOR DIFFERENT REASONS, i am not sure...i feel strongly some was to help Saudis get back at Iran during their coldwar that ende recently...Saudi is no match militarily for Iranian....they will need miracles to even extricate a military worth saving from Yemen.

• I hear you...it does look like Iran allowed some Indian spying/playing blind to them..but that was most likely done after Pakistani govt and ISI were not being "friendly" with IRan.....Iran respects and like Pakistan as an Islamic country, but when Pakistani govt does things that are aginst IRan's interest, Iran has to pay attention and sometimes take action.

• Duuhh.....Iran will take in Pakistani refugees.. and there would be so many of those.

• when we shine light on the dirty work your ISI and govt do, you will get angry, thats why your mods ban us, delelte our posts, etc....but daily insults from Pakistanis to INdians is kosher.....cant you just see humanity and not nationality or religion??

My response can be found here.

Iranian Chill Thread

yes they are. They are straight up haters. Iran is not only defying the whole world but also defying those ppls logic. They cant stand the fact that Iran is better than them in literally every aspect. They also dont like the fact that they are irrelevant in the world. The main obstacle for...

defence.pk

Let us all nip this propaganda in the bud, shall we?

@BHarwana @The Eagle @PanzerKiel @Aspen @ghazi52 @waz @AgNoStiC MuSliM @LeGenD @Areesh @Morpheus @PakAlp @TNT @Mamluk @Dalit @khansaheeb @BATMAN @Pakistan Space Agency @Blacklight @PakSword @PakFactor @Musings @PAKISTANFOREVER @Verve @21st Century Vampire @raahaat7 @Falcon29 @Mirzah @PDF @Irfan Baloch @Rafi @HAIDER @313ghazi @Starlord @AZADPAKISTAN2009 @Azadkashmir @OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ @Hiptullha @xyx007 @xyxmt @peagle @Meengla

To Mods: My previous thread was locked, so i have endeavored to fulfill the request of our Moderation team. If any changes need to be made, please I request it to be done without locked the thread. Thanks.

Pakistan Zindabad

Here is simple answer , Pakistan and Iran both are economically weak states, it is fact both lands been used by others. Indian used Iranain land under the cover of construction companies to hit inside Pakistan, mainly Quetta and Gawadar. And Isreali used Pak land under CIA agents cover to hit inside Iran, where they killed political and people linked to nuclear field. We discuss this issue many times with proves. Both side suffered enough. Time to move on .
You never know its Israel-India joint operation on both side .

 

[313ghazi]

It's a simple answer. Jundullah is a banned organisation. Pakistan hunts down its members and prosecutes them.

SHC upholds death sentence of nine Jundullah men in corps commander attack case

Over 35 judges of the high court have heard the appeal of 11 Jundullah men filed 14 years ago.

www.dawn.com

This is just one example. What has Iran done against Indian terrorists operating from thier soil.

 

[peagle]

Assalam alaikum guys,

I came on the forum yesterday and found a user accusing Pakistan of terrorism against Iran. He specifically accused us of supporting Jaish al Adl and Jundullah.

Since I have heard this allegation before, I wanted to get your guys' thoughts on how to refute this allegation.

This is especially poignant in relation to well-known Iranian support of Indian terrorist apparatus in Chabahar (Kulbushan Yadav being the glaring example,) Liwa Zanabiyuon recruitment, and targeted assassinations in Pakistan.

It is an attempt to silence Pakistan's criticism of Chabahar and its terrorism apparatus, by deflecting the allegations back at us.

It also helps Indian propaganda to promote the false idea that Pakistan is a terrorist state.

--------

The allegations follow, from a user's own posts.

• I've mentioned this multiple times, especially against this troll here and others who manipulated to make Iran look like terrorist supporter when their govt was also an accomplice in letting certain proxy terrorist groups attack Iranian law enforcement in the border regions with Pakistan

• I've mentioned this multiple times....some of them will pretend they dunno what is happening, or say the region is not demarcated....but Iran has fenced up all its border with Pakistan....

• NO LIE DETECTED. If you know you know...ISI was letting some of these groups setup...FOR DIFFERENT REASONS, i am not sure...i feel strongly some was to help Saudis get back at Iran during their coldwar that ende recently...Saudi is no match militarily for Iranian....they will need miracles to even extricate a military worth saving from Yemen.

• I hear you...it does look like Iran allowed some Indian spying/playing blind to them..but that was most likely done after Pakistani govt and ISI were not being "friendly" with IRan.....Iran respects and like Pakistan as an Islamic country, but when Pakistani govt does things that are aginst IRan's interest, Iran has to pay attention and sometimes take action.

• Duuhh.....Iran will take in Pakistani refugees.. and there would be so many of those.

• when we shine light on the dirty work your ISI and govt do, you will get angry, thats why your mods ban us, delelte our posts, etc....but daily insults from Pakistanis to INdians is kosher.....cant you just see humanity and not nationality or religion??

My response can be found here.

Iranian Chill Thread

yes they are. They are straight up haters. Iran is not only defying the whole world but also defying those ppls logic. They cant stand the fact that Iran is better than them in literally every aspect. They also dont like the fact that they are irrelevant in the world. The main obstacle for...

defence.pk

Let us all nip this propaganda in the bud, shall we?

@BHarwana @The Eagle @PanzerKiel @Aspen @ghazi52 @waz @AgNoStiC MuSliM @LeGenD @Areesh @Morpheus @PakAlp @TNT @Mamluk @Dalit @khansaheeb @BATMAN @Pakistan Space Agency @Blacklight @PakSword @PakFactor @Musings @PAKISTANFOREVER @Verve @21st Century Vampire @raahaat7 @Falcon29 @Mirzah @PDF @Irfan Baloch @Rafi @HAIDER @313ghazi @Starlord @AZADPAKISTAN2009 @Azadkashmir @OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ @Hiptullha @xyx007 @xyxmt @peagle @Meengla

To Mods: My previous thread was locked, so i have endeavored to fulfill the request of our Moderation team. If any changes need to be made, please I request it to be done without locked the thread. Thanks.

Pakistan Zindabad

I would like to have a one to one with that guy, he can catch me here or I'll come across him soon I'm sure.

Before the Mullahs came to power, Pakistan and Iran had excellent brotherly relations. After their power grab, it has been a long slow slide into a mud pit. Pakistan has done all it can to help them, even during their war with Iraq, we either helped them or tried to stay neutral as much as we could. We rightfully did not side with Saddam Hussein, like the other gulf states, that's why he hated Pakistan.

When Saudis rightfully came to help with the fight against the Soviets, the mullahs turned sensitive like a girl in puberty, and decided it was against their interest, I mean why??? and started to fund extremist groups in Pakistan, which laid the basis for a sectarian problem that spread terror in Pakistan for over a decade, thank you Iran, very brotherly of you.

Rather then work with us after the Soviets were kicked out, they wanted total control over Afghanistan, and decided to side with every country under the sun that opposed Pakistan in the 1990s, especially India, we didn't side with Iraq, why get in bed with our biggest enemy??? that's not a brotherly act, thank you again Iran. That's also when India started to get a footprint in Iran for acts against Pakistan, these things do not happen overnight.

Iran has always been a lot richer then Pakistan, that is a fact, then why is it so hard to accept that the areas bordering Iran were among the most backwards in Pakistan and virtually empty, so development was hard, thus hard to control, plus the tribal Sardars were always against national/provincial state control, that's why the levies system was in place, which gave the tribal Sardars almost greater powers in their areas then the state. Because Pakistan lacked resources, Pakistani state accepted this system as long as there was national security.

Because of that, Iran built a bleeding long and high wall, which is good, but if you are still incompetent, please don't blame Pakistan. Just like the tribal areas, Baluchistan had A areas and B areas, in B areas the levies are in control and the tribal Sardars have lot of powers, that's 90% of Baluchistan. Musharraf tried to change the system but there was a massive backlash, and the A areas and B areas were bought back.

You cant criticise by ignoring the facts on the ground, that's being petty, and showing lack of intellect. Pakistan has been facing India and Afghanistan for 70 years with the backing of the Soviet Union, that's is a lot to deal with, if Iranian mullahs were so concerned about security, why not help Pakistan rather then make matters worse.

I don't wish to go too deeply into the Iran backed terrorism in Pakistan, it is just so obvious, unless someone wishes to take me on on the subject directly. I've highlighted what I though should be obvious to anyone, especially an idiot who claims to know so much.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

@925boy

Why have you joined this forum? To get terrorist training from the Pakistanis?

You think Pakistan is a terrorist nation while your own butcher Army Chief was taken out in a drone strike (the only Army Chief in the world to go out like a terrorist) and you have the audacity to label Pakistan with terrorism.

Carry on your misadventures from Tehran to Tel Aviv making millions of innocent muslims refugees in your barbaric path and save us the lectures.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Assalam alaikum guys,

I came on the forum yesterday and found a user accusing Pakistan of terrorism against Iran. He specifically accused us of supporting Jaish al Adl and Jundullah.

Since I have heard this allegation before, I wanted to get your guys' thoughts on how to refute this allegation.

This is especially poignant in relation to well-known Iranian support of Indian terrorist apparatus in Chabahar (Kulbushan Yadav being the glaring example,) Liwa Zanabiyuon recruitment, and targeted assassinations in Pakistan.

It is an attempt to silence Pakistan's criticism of Chabahar and its terrorism apparatus, by deflecting the allegations back at us.

It also helps Indian propaganda to promote the false idea that Pakistan is a terrorist state.

--------

The allegations follow, from a user's own posts.

• I've mentioned this multiple times, especially against this troll here and others who manipulated to make Iran look like terrorist supporter when their govt was also an accomplice in letting certain proxy terrorist groups attack Iranian law enforcement in the border regions with Pakistan

• I've mentioned this multiple times....some of them will pretend they dunno what is happening, or say the region is not demarcated....but Iran has fenced up all its border with Pakistan....

• NO LIE DETECTED. If you know you know...ISI was letting some of these groups setup...FOR DIFFERENT REASONS, i am not sure...i feel strongly some was to help Saudis get back at Iran during their coldwar that ende recently...Saudi is no match militarily for Iranian....they will need miracles to even extricate a military worth saving from Yemen.

• I hear you...it does look like Iran allowed some Indian spying/playing blind to them..but that was most likely done after Pakistani govt and ISI were not being "friendly" with IRan.....Iran respects and like Pakistan as an Islamic country, but when Pakistani govt does things that are aginst IRan's interest, Iran has to pay attention and sometimes take action.

• Duuhh.....Iran will take in Pakistani refugees.. and there would be so many of those.

• when we shine light on the dirty work your ISI and govt do, you will get angry, thats why your mods ban us, delelte our posts, etc....but daily insults from Pakistanis to INdians is kosher.....cant you just see humanity and not nationality or religion??

My response can be found here.

Iranian Chill Thread

yes they are. They are straight up haters. Iran is not only defying the whole world but also defying those ppls logic. They cant stand the fact that Iran is better than them in literally every aspect. They also dont like the fact that they are irrelevant in the world. The main obstacle for...

defence.pk

Let us all nip this propaganda in the bud, shall we?

@BHarwana @The Eagle @PanzerKiel @Aspen @ghazi52 @waz @AgNoStiC MuSliM @LeGenD @Areesh @Morpheus @PakAlp @TNT @Mamluk @Dalit @khansaheeb @BATMAN @Pakistan Space Agency @Blacklight @PakSword @PakFactor @Musings @PAKISTANFOREVER @Verve @21st Century Vampire @raahaat7 @Falcon29 @Mirzah @PDF @Irfan Baloch @Rafi @HAIDER @313ghazi @Starlord @AZADPAKISTAN2009 @Azadkashmir @OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ @Hiptullha @xyx007 @xyxmt @peagle @Meengla

To Mods: My previous thread was locked, so i have endeavored to fulfill the request of our Moderation team. If any changes need to be made, please I request it to be done without locked the thread. Thanks.

Pakistan Zindabad

Brother, this one is easy. He has 0 credible evidence for all his claims.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

I would like to have a one to one with that guy, he can catch me here or I'll come across him soon I'm sure.

You can follow my quoted message to the Iranian Chill Thread, he lurks there.

Webmaster has asked him for proof, but it won't be provided, as there is none.

The same poster claims he can prove Turkey supports Daesh, but he is too cowardly to post in the Turkish Defence Forum to let Turks answer those allegations.

Blaming Pakistan for terrorism is a convenient scapegoat which Iran uses to stop any criticism of its policies in Pakistan.

We will have to pursue this case further, because the same support for terrorism by Iran is being done today against our allies and brothers, Azerbaycan and Turkey.

This is a Pakistani forum, so members here who are not Pakistani should get used to Pakistanis commenting on every subject in this forum.

If this baseless slander against our great military, government, and ISI continues, I ask Mods to deal with it the same way as false Indian allegations of downing our F-16 during the Balakot incident.

There is a rule against repeated unbacked claims even, I believe, on PDF.

 

[xyx007]

To clarify, these terrorists were funded/supported by CIA. The secret campaign against Iran by Jundullah was on the US list. Cheney referred to the Jundallah terrorists as "guerrillas" to ask us for legitimacy, but we banned them.
But despite Cheney's efforts to present them as legitimate fighters, Jundallah is a sectarian terrorist organization. It is made of Sunni extremists who hate the Shiites, and its goal is to foment a conflict between the two sects of Islam.

US funds terror groups to sow chaos in Iran

www.telegraph.co.uk

Since the new policy, we clearly said that our soil never uses for someone else proxy war—this what we confirmed with Iran during last year's IK visit.

Pakistan soil used for attacks in Iran: Imran

Islamabad, Tehran to set up border ‘reaction force’

www.dawn.com

Now, India took a new advanced role in the region.
you can listen to Indian major what he is saying on public tv, how to spread terrorism

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Before the Mullahs came to power, Pakistan and Iran had excellent brotherly relations.

I was just about to say this.

@Pan-Islamic-Pakistan sir, this person you argued with is delusional. Like Indians, he is simply starting a timeline at a point of his choosing to suit his narrative.

I know Iranians from the Shah's era and I also know Pakistanis who worked in Iran back then. There was a brotherly relationship between our nations and its people. Shia/Sunni was irrelevant in every sense, judging by this testimony.

The problem the mullahs have is ultimately paranoia. Their fear of losing power causes their blind push for influence across the middle east, bringing them into conflict with others. By recruiting shias of other nations into this cause, the conflict with other countries expands further.

The evidence is...well, self-evident....that Iran and Pakistan could easily forge a joint path forwards and potentially be very strong together. Many young and perhaps more hot headed Iranians become adversarial towards Pakistan for no apparent reason and without being aware that Pakistanis don't have any problem with shias. Did they take note of how we support our Azerbaijani allies regardless of sect? Do they even know how many shias have built and shaped our nation's destiny? We wouldn't know ourselves if nobody mentioned to us "by the way, Jinnah was shia, by the way our generals were Shia etc". Shia or Sunni identity is literally a footnote for us. However the paranoid mullahs interpret matters differently.

The other point to add here is that if it wasn't for the overthrow of democratically elected Mossadegh by the CIA once the Shah was ousted, we would likely still be on great terms with Iran.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

This poster still refuses to defend his claims here and chooses to debate in the Iranian Chill Thread.

Here is the latest post, all evidence scrounge up from Wikipedia and other dubious sources. Joined together by nothing other than conjecture.

It is sad to see these conspiracy theories running wild on PDF. We are better than this.

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Latest post:

Actually, i am reading now about the ISI and jundollah thing on wikipedia..oh boy, its bringing up good information.

MY THESIS: ISI AND PAKISTANI MILITARY HAD TO GIVE SOME SORT OF APPROVAL OF FOREIGN(US, SAUDI ESPECIALLY)FUNDS AND ACTIVITIES ON PAKISTANI SOVEREIGN SOIL IN ORDER FOR JUNDOLLAH TO TO ACT AGAINST IRAN IN THE BALOCHOSTAN AREA. THATS MY THESIS! now let me back it up.

1. Jundollah is accepted as having a high level of professionalism in their attacks, and that alludes to sophisticated training, which isnt possible without support from a top military power.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/tehranbureau/2009/10/jundallah.html

2. There is so little way that Jundollah could have carried out such attacks on Iran without ISI or the Pakistani military knowing about it. Iranian MPs complained about this:

From the information above, even IRan's intelligence minister said that Pakistan was not "HELPING WITH INVESTIGATIONS RELATED TO JUNDOLLAH"...Some Iranian MPs in the snapshot above are confronting Iran's diplomatic and military apparatus for not confronting "Pakistan's harboring of Iran's enemies".

We know Saudis and US funded JUndollah....

AND WE KNOW PAKISTAN AND SAUDI ARABIA HAVE GOOD RELATIONS , SO What is the chance that a country(Pakistan) with good relations with another(Saudis)will not know about the latter funding a terorist group in the former?? in my opinion, there is almost no chance. ISI and Pakistani military are not naive or incompetent about whats happening in Pakistani territory.

3. EVen the founder of Jundollah, Rigi, used to be a former Taliban! Once again, we know ISI and Taliban have good relations, so whats the chance that a former Taliban who leads Jundollah would be unknown to ISI?

4. Even wikipedia lists Pakistan as an alleged ally of Jundollah(before it was disbanded offcourse, because it was used as a tool to disrupt IRan to quit its nuclear program- 1 reason US supported them):

ALSO, Pakistani govt currently hasnt even banned the offshoot of Jundollah called Jaush- Ul Adl:

WIth all this information, i believe i have rigorously defended my thesis that ISI indirectly supported Jundollah against IRan by allowing US and Saudi ARabia to use Pakistani territory for terrorism against Iran. We know Pakistani officials discussed Jundollah with US govt officials and they were secretive so why??

https://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0405/p99s01-duts.html

These are evidences and information strongly suggesting ISI knew about Jundollah, and allowed Jundollah carry out its activities from its territory in order to allow Saudis and AMericans take actions against Iran that were beneficial to their "national security"....

Iranian Chill Thread

they fought turkey? they fought isis. sorry yes they fought turkey cause turkey was and is a supporter of isis. my fault. you really are against shias fighting against a group who behead women and children sunni shia no matter what they are. you told me that who says the shahada is not to be...

defence.pk

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I have my opinions and last i knew, am i required to lie about Pakistan related things on PDF??? if thats a rule please let me know. Also why did Pakistan jail the guy who led CIA to Bin Laden??? hes still in jail now, so whats the reason??? i question motives and weird patterns!! this is a military forum...its not personal for me to discuss and learn...but when i see manipulation, people calling out my nationality and religion despite proving it here, mods censoring me while letting some Pakistanis say mean things to non-Pakistanis..have i not done well with keeping my composure???...

If i was anti-Pakistan, Mods would have banned me along time .... I'm not a hateful type...i'm a truth teller. if it burns, its prolly true then. cheers.

Iranian Chill Thread

they fought turkey? they fought isis. sorry yes they fought turkey cause turkey was and is a supporter of isis. my fault. you really are against shias fighting against a group who behead women and children sunni shia no matter what they are. you told me that who says the shahada is not to be...

defence.pk

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But US govt made fake Afghan passport for Abdol Malek Rigi so why cant RAW make fake Iranian passport for Yadav??? This idea that IRan "just started attacking Pakistan and working with Pakistan's enemies against Pakistan when Pakistna did nothign to Iran " is a victim ploy....because there is not 1 good reason Iran would attack Pakistan indirectly if Pakistan wasnt doing anything intentional against Iran...

Iranian Chill Thread

Bro, he called me a troll, i called him a troll, but where is your warning for him??? he makes accusations and you people dont do crap about it but when i hit on the truth, you mods start using different languages on me. Actually, i am reading now about the ISI and jundollah thing on...

defence.pk

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It is necessary for us to nip these lies in the bud or they have a tendency to perpetuate themselves.

If we allow fake news and propaganda to permeate this forum without doing anything about it then we are not worthy of the name 'Pakistan Defence Forum.'

How can someone spit on Pakistan gov, military, ISI over and over, unrepentant and source his prove almost solely by inferences and Wikipedia, then brag about how nothing will be done against them and complain of our minimal action as censorship.

I have my theories as regards to the true identity of this user, and others like him, but I leave it up to the imagination of the readers.

I call all Pakistanis, please step up and refute these lies before they gain traction here. Defend Pakistan.

 

[SalarHaqq]

It's a simple answer. Jundullah is a banned organisation. Pakistan hunts down its members and prosecutes them.

Just a quick technical note, the "Jundullah" you're referring to, a TTP splinter group, is not the same organization as the one which used to conduct attacks against Iran. They share an identical name but are two completely separate terrorist outfits.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Just a quick note, the "Jundullah" you're referring to, a TTP splinter group, is not the same organization as the one which used to conduct terrorist attacks Iran. They share an identical name but are two completely separate terrorist outfits.

You want to take a crack at answering those claims against your country?

I mean Pakistan, not Iran.

 

[xyx007]

This poster still refuses to defend his claims here and chooses to debate in the Iranian Chill Thread.

Here is the latest post, all evidence scrounge up from Wikipedia and other dubious sources. Joined together by nothing other than conjecture.

It is sad to see these conspiracy theories running wild on PDF. We are better than this.

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Latest post:

Actually, i am reading now about the ISI and jundollah thing on wikipedia..oh boy, its bringing up good information.

MY THESIS: ISI AND PAKISTANI MILITARY HAD TO GIVE SOME SORT OF APPROVAL OF FOREIGN(US, SAUDI ESPECIALLY)FUNDS AND ACTIVITIES ON PAKISTANI SOVEREIGN SOIL IN ORDER FOR JUNDOLLAH TO TO ACT AGAINST IRAN IN THE BALOCHOSTAN AREA. THATS MY THESIS! now let me back it up.

1. Jundollah is accepted as having a high level of professionalism in their attacks, and that alludes to sophisticated training, which isnt possible without support from a top military power.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/tehranbureau/2009/10/jundallah.html

2. There is so little way that Jundollah could have carried out such attacks on Iran without ISI or the Pakistani military knowing about it. Iranian MPs complained about this:

From the information above, even IRan's intelligence minister said that Pakistan was not "HELPING WITH INVESTIGATIONS RELATED TO JUNDOLLAH"...Some Iranian MPs in the snapshot above are confronting Iran's diplomatic and military apparatus for not confronting "Pakistan's harboring of Iran's enemies".

We know Saudis and US funded JUndollah....

AND WE KNOW PAKISTAN AND SAUDI ARABIA HAVE GOOD RELATIONS , SO What is the chance that a country(Pakistan) with good relations with another(Saudis)will not know about the latter funding a terorist group in the former?? in my opinion, there is almost no chance. ISI and Pakistani military are not naive or incompetent about whats happening in Pakistani territory.

3. EVen the founder of Jundollah, Rigi, used to be a former Taliban! Once again, we know ISI and Taliban have good relations, so whats the chance that a former Taliban who leads Jundollah would be unknown to ISI?

4. Even wikipedia lists Pakistan as an alleged ally of Jundollah(before it was disbanded offcourse, because it was used as a tool to disrupt IRan to quit its nuclear program- 1 reason US supported them):

ALSO, Pakistani govt currently hasnt even banned the offshoot of Jundollah called Jaush- Ul Adl:

WIth all this information, i believe i have rigorously defended my thesis that ISI indirectly supported Jundollah against IRan by allowing US and Saudi ARabia to use Pakistani territory for terrorism against Iran. We know Pakistani officials discussed Jundollah with US govt officials and they were secretive so why??

https://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0405/p99s01-duts.html

These are evidences and information strongly suggesting ISI knew about Jundollah, and allowed Jundollah carry out its activities from its territory in order to allow Saudis and AMericans take actions against Iran that were beneficial to their "national security"....

Iranian Chill Thread

they fought turkey? they fought isis. sorry yes they fought turkey cause turkey was and is a supporter of isis. my fault. you really are against shias fighting against a group who behead women and children sunni shia no matter what they are. you told me that who says the shahada is not to be...

defence.pk

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I have my opinions and last i knew, am i required to lie about Pakistan related things on PDF??? if thats a rule please let me know. Also why did Pakistan jail the guy who led CIA to Bin Laden??? hes still in jail now, so whats the reason??? i question motives and weird patterns!! this is a military forum...its not personal for me to discuss and learn...but when i see manipulation, people calling out my nationality and religion despite proving it here, mods censoring me while letting some Pakistanis say mean things to non-Pakistanis..have i not done well with keeping my composure???...

If i was anti-Pakistan, Mods would have banned me along time .... I'm not a hateful type...i'm a truth teller. if it burns, its prolly true then. cheers.

Iranian Chill Thread

they fought turkey? they fought isis. sorry yes they fought turkey cause turkey was and is a supporter of isis. my fault. you really are against shias fighting against a group who behead women and children sunni shia no matter what they are. you told me that who says the shahada is not to be...

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But US govt made fake Afghan passport for Abdol Malek Rigi so why cant RAW make fake Iranian passport for Yadav??? This idea that IRan "just started attacking Pakistan and working with Pakistan's enemies against Pakistan when Pakistna did nothign to Iran " is a victim ploy....because there is not 1 good reason Iran would attack Pakistan indirectly if Pakistan wasnt doing anything intentional against Iran...

Iranian Chill Thread

Bro, he called me a troll, i called him a troll, but where is your warning for him??? he makes accusations and you people dont do crap about it but when i hit on the truth, you mods start using different languages on me. Actually, i am reading now about the ISI and jundollah thing on...

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It is necessary for us to nip these lies in the bud or they have a tendency to perpetuate themselves.

If we allow fake news and propaganda to permeate this forum without doing anything about it then we are not worthy of the name 'Pakistan Defence Forum.'

How can someone spit on Pakistan gov, military, ISI over and over, unrepentant and source his prove almost solely by inferences and Wikipedia, then brag about how nothing will be done against them and complain of our minimal action as censorship.

I have my theories as regards to the true identity of this user, and others like him, but I leave it up to the imagination of the readers.

I call all Pakistanis, please step up and refute these lies before they gain traction here. Defend Pakistan.

Anyone can edit Wikipedia at any time. This means that any information it contains at any particular time could be vandalism, a work in progress, or just plain wrong. However, because Wikipedia is a volunteer-run project, it cannot monitor every contribution all the time, and our arch rival enemy Indians always write something in there against us. If he is quoting from Wikipedia, then it is not a reliable source to legit his claim against us. I mentioned a print media source in my previous post; you can investigate the journalist's credibility and then decide how reliable this source. Other than that, he is just a spoiler here on his agenda exploiting our previous gov mistakes on someone else proxy war.

 

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Anyone can edit Wikipedia at any time. This means that any information it contains at any particular time could be vandalism, a work in progress, or just plain wrong. However, because Wikipedia is a volunteer-run project, it cannot monitor every contribution all the time, and our arch rival enemy Indians always write something in there against us. If he is quoting from Wikipedia, then it is not a reliable source to legit his claim against us. I mentioned a print media source in my previous post; you can investigate the journalist's credibility and then decide how reliable this source. Other than that, he is just a spoiler here on his agenda exploiting our previous gov mistakes on someone else proxy war.

Right brother, most articles in relation to Pakistan are heavily edited by Indians. I do not use Wikipedia anymore for this reason in relation to any topic relating to Pakistan, Islam, or Muslims.

Rest assured, I will endeavor to completely debunk these claims in full details soon.

If anyone sees more of these statements, please post them here.

 

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Iran will never be friend with any muslim country (Shia or Sunni) and it will always align itself with your non-mulsim foe, just look around in our neighborhood and give me any example contrary to what i said. They are on a revenge mode for destroying persian empire.