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India Aircraft Tech Proposal May Be Hard To Enforce, Ministry Says

By VIVEK RAGHUVANSHI



NEW DELHI — India wants technology transfer from whomever it picks to supply its 126 Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA), but Defence Ministry sources say it will be tough to enforce that provision, especially if a U.S. aircraft is picked.
In its request for proposals in the estimated $10 billion program, ministry officials required that all but 18 of the aircraft be at least partially manufactured in India, with licensed production of the engines, avionics, radar, equipment, tooling, and various systems and accessories. The foreign plane maker will be required to assist Indian firms so that manufacturing can begin within 48 months of signing a contract.
It also requires that Indian partners handle depot-level maintenance and support for the aircraft and associated equipment.
Some say negotiating such a large amount of technology transfer could delay the program up to four years.
Ministry sources said transferring technology will be easier for Russian and European firms, which are more familiar with Indian procurement procedures, than for American companies, which will find it difficult to negotiate without involving the U.S. government.
“India’s considered political stand on some geopolitical issues as Iran is likely to create some challenges, so it may entail a delay,” said defense analyst Rahul Bhonsle, a retired Indian Army brigadier.
Several foreign vendors said they had begun looking for Indian firms to work with on bids for the contract.
“Boeing really doesn’t look at [offsets] as obligations, but as long-term opportunities to bring win-win business and industrial benefits to India and to Boeing,” said Vivek Lall, who runs Integrated Defense Systems-Boeing India, voicing the same kind of sentiment publicly expressed by EADS and Lockheed Martin, as well.
But privately, several said they doubted the firms were ready for the kind of multibillion-dollar, high-tech infusion the government is seeking. Hindustan Aeronautics has been designated the lead production agency for the airframe, engine and assembly, with production of other systems to be given to private or state-owned firms.
They also voiced displeasure with the recent increase in offset requirement from 30 percent to 50 percent. Defence Ministry sources also said the cumbersome offset laws would delay progress by more than 20 months.
All told, it could take 10 years to settle the procurement details in this contract, India’s biggest since independence, and another four or five to begin production.
“The obstacles, especially the political obstacles, will vary widely depending on who lands the deal,” said Dhruva Jaishankar, South Asia analyst at the Brookings Institution in Washington.
“The Russians are the status quo military supplier to India, so a decision to buy MiGs will produce no backlash from the political establishment. After the purchase of Mirages and Scorpene subs by India, the French have also proved politically uncontroversial, and the expectation is that other European manufacturers in competition — the Eurofighter consortium and Saab — will prove generally agreeable.
A political backlash may follow a decision to buy American — either the Super Hornet or the F-16, especially if the decision comes soon upon the heels of the Indo-U.S. nuclear agreement.”
Deba Mohanty, defense analyst with the New Delhi-based Observer Research Foundation, said strategic considerations likely would dictate the decision.
“It does not seem to me that the government will find difficulties in selection on technological grounds, as all of the systems in question meet almost all operational requirements,” Mohanty said. “The technical and commercial evaluation may not necessarily be a hindrance, although the former could cause some anxiety on a variety of grounds.” •

DefenseNews.com - India Aircraft Tech Proposal May Be Hard To Enforce, Ministry Says - 09/17/07 12:37
 
Americans would be losing out on jobs if their production is outsourced to India. Expect that to hit a raw nerve.
 
Americans would be losing out on jobs if their production is outsourced to India. Expect that to hit a raw nerve.

i agree i think the USA should not agree to this
 
The question that I have is that all these aircraft have different costs. For example I believe the Rafale is more expensive than the Gripen. So if a more expensive aircraft is procured then will that affect numbers?
Also the integration costs would be higher for say a American platform than say a Russian one and this would obviously affect the tender.
 
Eurofighter has offered TOT, from recent reports. So I'm guessing that it will be competition between the ruskies and eurofighter.

It is highly unlikely that IAF will induct american jets or european. It will totally ruin the IAF with god knows how many different types of spares and maintenance equipment, and we all know how moody the americans are...one small change in foreign policy and they will cut off all support including upgradation etc.
 
It is highly unlikely that IAF will induct american jets or european. It will totally ruin the IAF with god knows how many different types of spares and maintenance equipment

IAF has a history of operating British aircrafts. In the past there were Canberra & Hunters that have actually seen the war. IN still operates a squadron of Jaguar. I don't see any reason(except for cost) why Eurofighter cannot be chosen.
 
IAF has a history of operating British aircrafts. In the past there were Canberra & Hunters that have actually seen the war. IN still operates a squadron of Jaguar. I don't see any reason(except for cost) why Eurofighter cannot be chosen.

Yes, but Jaguar and Hunters have very little in common with the Eurofighter!!! Eurofighter I believe is a very different plane that will require a whole new maintenance infrastructure!!

Russian jets can perform just as well, and their Mig heritage will make things so much easier for the IAF!
 
Remind you that MiG has the reputation of being blasted off the skies!
 
Remind you that MiG has the reputation of being blasted off the skies!

An interesting observation.

Could you please elaborate?

One would like to think that, amongst other factors, it is the pilot's expertise that accounts for the efficiency of the machine.
 
Where did they earn that reputation? I never heard of it!! :what:

The aircraft just remains unsuccessful, no matter what it did, it couldn't beat the F-16, the fighting falcons. ;)

So the western dominance just remained there no matter what.

However, the other side did try their best to keep up their effort in aircraft building, and maintaining a sufficient air force.

But the west will continue to dominate skies for ever.
 
Remind you that MiG has the reputation of being blasted off the skies!

So why does PAF operates J6/7 which are derivates of Migs? Dont they believe in the reputation of the Migs?

Why there is an assumption that every airforce with Migs follow Arab standards? Arabs arent exactly the brightest example of ..actually anything!
 
The aircraft just remains unsuccessful, no matter what it did, it couldn't beat the F-16, the fighting falcons. ;)

Lets just compare PAF F-16 with that of IAF Mig-21 Bison.
Mig-21 is BVR enabled,while PAF F-16 are not.

What do you think would the result if they meet? Wouldn't there be a very high chance that a Mig-21 will down a F-16?

Now would you consider Mig-21 are better than F-16?
 
So why does PAF operates J6/7 which are derivates of Migs? Dont they believe in the reputation of the Migs?

Why there is an assumption that every airforce with Migs follow Arab standards? Arabs arent exactly the brightest example of ..actually anything!

PAF had no other aircraft option to go for so it chose F-6 and F-7, just like India for quite a few years.

Its not just Arabs giving bad reputation to the aircraft. The aircraft itself (all of them other than Mig-35 and sufficiently upgraded Mig-29s, which still have to prove themselves) came out to be inferior in all the air to air engagements.

Then of course the pilot training has come into play where Pakistan Air Force has blasted off Soviet and Indian Su and MiG series of fighters.
 
The aircraft just remains unsuccessful, no matter what it did, it couldn't beat the F-16, the fighting falcons. ;)

So the western dominance just remained there no matter what.

However, the other side did try their best to keep up their effort in aircraft building, and maintaining a sufficient air force.

But the west will continue to dominate skies for ever.

Heh..I suppose you are talking about the middle east!!

Webmaster, I guess the fault there lies with the airforces operating those jets, and not the jets themselves!!
I believe there are a lot of other factors that come into play here!!
 

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